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My CARnival attendance is suddenly in question

2.5K views 38 replies 19 participants last post by  MDB  
#1 ·
Okay people, here's the story: My car went whacko a couple days ago and I dropped it off at the garage today for repair. However, my mechanic has no idea what could be causing the problem.

I was driving on the day it reached about 90 degrees here in NY end of last week. I was going up a slight incline doing about 45-50 MPH. Suddenly I'm slowing down, and when I pushed the gas pedal, I had no acceleration at all. A few seconds later, all the lights on the dash came on and the steering wheel became stiff to turn, like I had no power steering.

I pulled over and checked all the fluids, but they were fine. I just had them topped off when I had an oil change and brake job last week. I restarted the car a few minutes later and I seemed to have acceleration. I took off and a few seconds down the road the same thing happened again. I pulled over and waited about 10-15 minutes to let things cool down (though the temp. guage was fine). It started again and drove fine all the way home, and into town once over the weeked.

So here's the CARnival story. My brother has offered some financial assistance with the car repair. But if it runs beyond what he's offering, I won't be able to make it regardless. On the other hand, if my car is unable to be repaired until next month--like if maybe this is something to do with electronics and runs into more money than I can rake together right now--I may need someone on standby to catch a ride with if I figure this is doable financially. If anyone is passing through or near Middletown, NY, let me know. This may be a moot point depending on finances after the repair, but I figured I would ask now rather than to wait longer. Hopefully by tomorrow I'll have some idea what's going on with the car and know for sure whether I can swing CARnival by either my own steam, or a ride with someone else.
 
#2 · (Edited)
Electronic fuel pump ?

Had a Toyota van that acted the same way,after I would pull over and stop gave the fuel tank a few whacks and it would run fine for awhile.On a Ford Ranger the hot wire to the pump had corroded until there were only a few strands left making the connection and it would have the same symptoms Robert
 
#5 ·
This or a fuel filter or a fuel pump relay would be the obvious things to check. Next, some ignition system electrical problem that manifests itself in the heat. Does your car have OBDI or II? Can you scan it and check for codes? Assuming any half-way decent mechanic would have thought of all these things and more.
 
#3 ·
Middletown, Delware or Orange County? About 100m difference.
Enterprise has 50% off weekend rates, so you would have to return on Monday at the same time, you might get same rate with a Tuesday return.
Event is only once a year, you could probably "push around the financial".
The cars get a higher mpg and with fold down rear seats, can pack a lot in 'em. Good luck!
 
#4 ·
Renting a car would be great if I could do it. My situation is not allowing for that. After the recent move and repairs, my credit is just about maxed out. Plus I'm having enough difficulties paying the monthy bills now without adding to them. I have a very fixed income at the moment with just about enough to get to CARnival for the weekend saved up from it. Unless I know I can pay off repairs outright out of next months income without making my life messier, CARnival might just have to wait. I'll know the damage by tomorrow at some point.

Keeping my fingers crossed until then.
 
#8 ·
Best of luck with it! All my ideas right off had already been said. If it runs into a part thats going to push the budget, be sure to let us know what it needs; I have a bunch of extra parts from various stuff that Ive accumulated over the years, be happy to help If I can!
 
#9 ·
Wouldn't there be a group of crazy New Englanders coming through that area? I don't know since I am not among them(in this instance anyway) but I would think they would be traveling through your area. Hit the Johnny Jam crew up and see what they may be able to do for ya.

I hope you get your car fixed though.
 
#11 ·
Thanks for the advice and encouragment, guys. I was talking with Rich a while ago, and he said with Ford's this happens pretty frequently when the ignition module is bad and heats up. And since the steering went funky, this seems pretty logical. If this does turn out to be the problem, it's a simple and low cost fix.

More when I know for sure!
 
#12 ·
ahhhh i know the exact scenario... Obd1 i suspect because i have seen your ride. You wont get a code because its shutting you down before it throws a code. I bet it runs good while the computer is in default setting/cold....


Crank sensor


Mine left me stranded at 2am last fall. Its an easy fix. $100 part. Have your mechanic do a continuity test on the plug. Good luck but it might very well be the problem.
 
#16 ·
This is a no brainer. Your e-mail said it's a '93 Ford Taurus, a car notorious for failing ICM's (Ignition Control Modules). They heat up and the car either starts running crappy or doesn't run at all. The car sits for a while, the module cools down, the car runs okay for a bit until the module heats up again.

Not a clogged catylitic converter (they clog and STAY clogged, car runs like crap but still runs), not likely a fuel pump, relay, injectors, or clogged fuel filter as the problem seems to be intermittant and fuel issues generally aren't. Fuel pumps generally poop the bed or they don't. Injectors generally clog and stay clogged. Relays usually fail and stay failed. Could be a crank sensor but when they fail, they typically stay failed, or they fail when starting, not when already running. Been around tons of '90s Ford products, ICMs are a well known problem and known to be intermittant. Changed a few myself. Easy peazey.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_is_...here_is_the_ignition_control_module_-_ICM_-_located_on_a_1986-1995_Taurus-Sable

By the way, the steering became hard because the engine quit running (whiich is when the dash lights came on), which killed your power assist.
 
#22 · (Edited)
Fuel pumps generally poop the bed or they don't. Injectors generally clog and stay clogged. Relays usually fail and stay failed.
Disagree. Don't know anything about Fords and don't disagree that it could be the ICM. But there are lots of fuel pump relays that have intermittent failures as they heat up and then everything is OK for a while when they cool down. In fact it's very common. Often tied to old, failing fuel pump that's drawing higher current to keep up with the fuel load in hot weather.
 
#18 ·
just read the write up on this. Id just mount a 12v fan near the mod and cool it thay way. Is this a plug in or direct effect on the distributor. If its a plug in extend the wires and mount it behind the radiator or in the cab. Or drop a 351w or a powerstoke diesel in it. Huh, sounds like designers flaw. Usually the icm sits under the coil and runs to the distributor. My icm ran me $236..... Changed it in 3 minutes. Beat that tool by putting two phillips screws in it when you install and return the tool. Ridiclous to buy a ford specialty tool for a vehicle thats almost 20 yrs old. I have one specialty tool, a brake spoon, cost me $1.
 
#20 ·
Oh DAMN Robert!
Please lord let this be a minor and cheap fix.

This would be a most cruel irony if you couldn't attend since I'm only getting to go because of your efforts.

I hope this comes out ok, I'll be on the bus in 12 hours and wont know until after I get there whether you'll be able to make it.

I really, really hope to see you there, I have something for you.

I can mail it if I have to, but would much rather hand it to you.

My best, greatest good thoughts are headed your way.
 
#25 ·
Thanks for the info, John...I have a feeling you may be right on this one, as another person told me something similar. I also found out this morning that the fuel pump was tested already and that is not the problem. A technition at the garage had the car out on the road and could find out nothing further. I did mention testing the module to the guy on the phones...and the crank sensor as well. But I was just relieved it wasn't the fuel pump. At this point, I am holding positive thoughts for this to be the module or some very simple fix.
 
#28 ·
I don't think this guy liked me trying to tell him his job--at which he seemed to blow me off. I told him yesterday to call me before he fixed anything and let me know what it was going to cost because last time he didn't call until it was fixed, and took me over the budget I had for repairs for some diddly thing I didn't need him to do and charge me for. If he does it this time, I'll be looking for a new mechanic. I only took it back there this time because he's familiar with the car and would be willing to maybe take half a payment now and half next month if it came to that. Most people around here won't do that. But most people call and let you know what's going on before they do the work too.