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The ugliest color anyway! :cry: It's a Alfa Romeo Guila TZ made by Verem.

I bought this car a couple of weeks ago from a person selling a collection of diecast cars. I'm pretty sure that I had this car made by Politoys in the late 60's. It reminded me of the car that I once had, so I bought it. If I remember right, the Politoys car was white and had an opening hood and doors. This car doesn't have an opening hood. It does have a working suspension just like the Politoys.

Can anyone tell me when this car was made? Thanks for any help in advance.

Ranchero has several of the older Politoys diecast cars that he posted in one of the threads that I posted. I wonder if he has this one in Politoys.



 

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I do have the Politoys version - it is # 516 in their usual blue with tan interior. It is a nicer model but mine is missing one of the two fender mounted rear view mirrors (that Verem ignored). Verem is an offshoot of Solido; any Verem release was also an earlier Solido release. That Verem Alfa you have dates from, I bet, about 1984 or so. I don't have the Verem; I don't have the Solido. I do have a recent red Minichamps version of the car.


As for ugly cars; I believe I can come up with something that makes your Alfa look utterly handsome. - Ranchero -
 

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I have a lot of models of French cars in my collection. At one time, I thought they were interesting. Now I realize they were not popular in nor imported to the USA for a reason. They are bad, ugly cars.

If we are talking models of ugly cars - this is my ugliest car. It is the horrendous Citroen AMI 6. The model is actually very good; it is from the long out of business French firm JRD.
 

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The other side of the Citroen. The "C" pillar has to be the most grotesque one ever to appear on a production car. The AMI 6 roof design makes the Mercury Breezeways look gracious.
 

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ranchero said:

I have a lot of models of French cars in my collection. At one time, I thought they were interesting. Now I realize they were not popular in nor imported to the USA for a reason. They are bad, ugly cars.

If we are talking models of ugly cars - this is my ugliest car. It is the horrendous Citroen AMI 6. The model is actually very good; it is from the long out of business French firm JRD.
Ranchero has stolen my thunder - I was going to post my Ixo version of the Ami 6.

I have to take issue with your generalisation that, seemingly, all French cars are ugly - Delage? Delahaye? Talbot-Lago? Citroen CX? SM? Peugeot 204? 504 Coupe? 505? Alpine A110? Fairs fair, whilst the Ami was in production, Citroen were also making the DS.

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If we are talking models of ugly cars - this is my ugliest car.
This car looks like it should have been in the "Cars" movie...... sort of cartoonish. I actually think kids would like this car.

Thanks for the info about my Verem Alfa Romeo TZ ranchero and jinx.

Please post a pic of your Politoys Alfa Romeo TZ ranchero. I thought the hood opened on the one that I had, but I'm not sure now.
 

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Steve - I will concede not all French cars are ugly; you certainly cite some handsome ones. Maybe it's just me. I ended up with lots of models of truly ugly French cars. The Panhard PL17 seems also cartoonish - always sad with that droopy front end. The plebian Renaults look just flimsy. So many of those French cars had wheels that were secured with just three bolts when I thought the ten that held on Pontiac Grand Prix wheels looked just right. The Delahayes & Delages are generally beautiful but I never saw one of those driving around Paris or Lyons or Nice. I've seen plenty of Renaults, Peugeots (the 504 sedan, with that hunched roofline, is not pretty) and Citroens and I must tell you that any then contemporary Opel, Volkswagen, Chevrolet or Ford looks better. Here in the mountain west we are not too tolerant of things French and the styling of their common, everyday cars does not hold up well for eyes used to seeing Ford F-250s as the most common vehicle.

And Stutz, I'll work on a photo of the Politoys TZ, but I don't consider that an ugly car. Let's see also if I can find something almost as ugly as the AMI 6 but not French . . .
 

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Not as ugly as the French car, but pretty bad for an Italian car. It is a Ranger Ferves, somewhat based on Fiat mechanicals. The model is excellent and was done by Mercury.
 

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I guess this is the ugliest German car I have - NSU Prinz by Gama. It seems copied from the first generation Corvair, even with the rear engine. But it fails completely. The Corvair proportions were just right; this car however looks awkward and unsafe.
 

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Thanks for posting the pics of the Politoys Alfa Romeo TZ ranchero. I thought that the hood opened on the Politoys model. I wish I still had mine. After seeing your pic, I think mine was blue. I think I had it mixed up with the Lola Politoys model which was white. Do you have a Lola Politoys model? I remember mine had a racing stripe (that was a sticker) that was starting to lift off.

I was refering to my Verem being ugly because of the horrible green color.

Ranchero, you win the "Ugly 1/43 scale Diecast Car Contest" with either the Ranger Ferves or the NSU Prinz. :p
 

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I've certainly enjoyed the pictures. They're not something you see everyday. I was thinking the AMI 6 looked like a cross between an old Mercury and Rambler. The boxiness and rear angled C pillar in a total package. I'm not familiar with that particular Citroen. Did the rear window raise/lower like a Mercury?

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I've certainly enjoyed the pictures. They're not something you see everyday. I was thinking the AMI 6 looked like a cross between an old Mercury and Rambler. The boxiness and rear angled C pillar in a total package. I'm not familiar with that particular Citroen. Did the rear window raise/lower like a Mercury?

Roy in TX.:)
My uncle had a 1963 Mercury with the rear window raised and lowered. I wonder if the Citroen had the same feature.
 

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Ford in the UK could also do reverse sloping windows. The 1959 Anglia 105E would be the best known - it was only replaced in 1968 by the Escort Mk I. However, there was also the 1961 Classic 109E. The Classic was only in production for two years - I wonder why? The model is by Vanguards, who have also done the Capri coupe variant.




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Ford in the UK could also do reverse sloping windows. The 1959 Anglia 105E would be the best known - it was only replaced in 1968 by the Escort Mk I. However, there was also the 1961 Classic 109E. The Classic was only in production for two years - I wonder why? The model is by Vanguards, who have also done the Capri coupe variant.




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I am amazed with your diecast collection of cars Steve!

You have posted diecast cars that I never knew existed. I never knew many existed in 1:1 scale either!

It's nice the see diecast cars that are not known by many collectors in the USA. It's nice to have you in the 1/43 scale forum! :thumbsup:

Take Care!......Ray
 

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Thanks Ray.

There is an elderly chap, who lives a few streets away from me, who still drives around in a Classic. It is utterly immaculate - from speaking to him, he bought the car in 1962 when it was 6 months old.

I must admit, some of my favourite models, are those oddities which were rare and not very well known in 1:1. Ever heard of a DAF Daffodil, made in the Netherlands - CVT transmission in 1961. DAF trucks are still being made, however, the car manufacturing business was aquired by Volvo in 1975 - the last DAF car, the 66, was shortly thereafter rebadged as a Volvo.



The DAF is modelled by Norev, who have brought out several unusual subjects.

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Thanks Ray.

There is an elderly chap, who lives a few streets away from me, who still drives around in a Classic. It is utterly immaculate - from speaking to him, he bought the car in 1962 when it was 6 months old.

I must admit, some of my favourite models, are those oddities which were rare and not very well known in 1:1. Ever heard of a DAF Daffodil, made in the Netherlands - CVT transmission in 1961. DAF trucks are still being made, however, the car manufacturing business was aquired by Volvo in 1975 - the last DAF car, the 66, was shortly thereafter rebadged as a Volvo.



The DAF is modelled by Norev, who have brought out several unusual subjects.

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Another model that I have never seen Steve.

I am very impressed with your racing dioramas!
 

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Ami 6 - don't know about the rear window working like a Mercury, but I doubt it; the French made cheap cars and the Ami was one. Just got back from the Essen classic car show and saw lots of horribly ugly European cars - Wartburg, Skoda, Daf, Trabant, Panhard, Fiat. I'll see if I can find my ugliest Daf model for a photo posting. - ranchero -
 

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OK, here is my Dutch entry for the ugliest car. It is the Daf City from, I guess, about the late 1960s. It is a three door car - two conventionally operating doors (note suicide rear) on the right and a delivery van like sliding front door only on the left side. The toy is from Corgi
 
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