That is another idea, like i said before dont just flat out say "your cheating"lol, say hey I having trouble keeping up with some of the faster guys and i was wondering if you could help me out. Now Im not saying he will tell you everything about building a fast motor but I am sure that he would help you out. Try that,Junior14 said:Well he did win the snowbirds oval in 2003 and he does have alot of experience but their is still no reason for him to be going that fast. this track is newly established and the owner doesnt know anything about rc. we also have no tech guy yet and 9/10 times he finds a way around it so i think im going to start to get under his skin a bit and ask him how he is so fast compared to every one else and see what happens.