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I retired approx 1.5 years ago. I was military, Search and rescue, helicopters, Ch113 and CH149 (Canada, equivalent airframes: H46 and EH101). 30 years of that tends to beat a body (and mind) up pretty good and they finally decided I was too broken up to carry on and gave me the "golden parachute". I've got lots of physical problems and scars (inside and out), but no regrets. It was a life well worth the sacrifice. Not many people can say the have lost track of how many lives they've saved (and how many things they never want to see again).

While I've no shortage of projects (new house build, C4 Corvette, Fox Mustang, Fj1200, 8x8 Argo, touring bike, etc), I'm just starting to turn the loft over the garage into "my space". As you can see by my "toys list", I'm a car guy, from way back. I've always wanted to build a model track, because, well, I'm a car guy. Trains just won't cut it.

When my FIL passed away, he left a lot of Nascar stuff behind. Specifically, he was a super sized Petty fan. One of the things that arrived in our house was a Life Like Richard Petty Daytona Nascar HO slot set. Complete, in it's original box. Stickers, warranty paperwork, poster, LL catalog, etc...all of it in mint condition. He pulled it out once to try it and then it went back into the box. For him, it was a collectable to sit on a shelf, not a slot car set to be run and banged up. But being HO, it's pretty small, reminded me more of the toy sets I used to play with as a child.

So I looked around at 1:24, 1:32, 1: 43, etc. The digital stuff all looked pretty good to me, with all the options it gives you over the old analog sets. But then came price. Ye-ow! That stuff ain't cheap! Even more so of a shock was a basic kit was pretty expensive, and I'd still have to add a lot to it (IE: $$$) to get to where I want to be. I've got lots of things to spend money on and a slot car set isn't one of them. At least not a "full boat" set with all the fancy options. Analog will do just fine thank you!

Scale also started to become a problem. I've got lots of room and could make a monstrous track if I wanted (room is 22x28) and the larger scales sure looked great with all their clearly visible detail! But all I really want is something I can build up to be somewhat realistic, have a little fun with and not consume the entire room. The room is multipurpose and it has to stay that way. It holds computer setups, 3d printers,industrial sewing machines (Leather upholstery), etc, etc. So I pulled my expectations down to HO size, mainly to keep it on a single sheet of 4x8 and have enough of a layout to still be interesting.

So now I can use the old LL Petty Nascar set and save even more bucks! I set it up, cleaned it up, fixed a few electrical bug a boo's and had a go:

I retired approx 1.5 years ago. I was military, Search and rescue, helicopters, Ch113 and CH149 (Canada, equivalent airframes: H46 and EH101). 30 years of that tends to beat a body (and mind) up pretty good and they finally decided I was too broken up to carry on and gave me the "golden parachute". I've got lots of physical problems and scars (inside and out), but no regrets. It was a life well worth the sacrifice. Not many people can say the have lost track of how many lives they've saved (and how many things they never want to see again).

While I've no shortage of projects (new house build, C4 Corvette, Fox Mustang, Fj1200, 8x8 Argo, touring bike, etc), I'm just starting to turn the loft over the garage into "my space". As you can see by my "toys list", I'm a car guy, from way back. I've always wanted to build a model track, because, well, I'm a car guy. Trains just won't cut it.

When my FIL passed away, he left a lot of Nascar stuff behind. Specifically, he was a super sized Petty fan. One of the things that arrived in our house was a Life Like Richard Petty Daytona Nascar HO slot set. Complete, in it's original box. Stickers, warranty paperwork, poster, LL catalog, etc...all of it in mint condition. He pulled it out once to try it and then it went back into the box. For him, it was a collectable to sit on a shelf, not a slot car set to be run and banged up. But being HO, it's pretty small, reminded me more of the toy sets I used to play with as a child.

So I looked around at 1:24, 1:32, 1: 43, etc. The digital stuff all looked pretty good to me, with all the options it gives you over the old analog sets. But then came price. Ye-ow! That stuff ain't cheap! Even more so of a shock was a basic kit was pretty expensive, and I'd still have to add a lot to it (IE: $$$) to get to where I want to be. I've got lots of things to spend money on and a slot car set isn't one of them. At least not a "full boat" set with all the fancy options. Analog will do just fine thank you!

Scale also started to become a problem. I've got lots of room and could make a monstrous track if I wanted (room is 22x28) and the larger scales sure looked great with all their clearly visible detail! But all I really want is something I can build up to be somewhat realistic, have a little fun with and not consume the entire room. The room is multipurpose and it has to stay that way. It holds computer setups, 3d printers,industrial sewing machines (Leather upholstery), etc, etc. So I pulled my expectations down to HO size, mainly to keep it on a single sheet of 4x8 and have enough of a layout to still be interesting.

So now I can use the old LL Petty Nascar set and save even more bucks! I set it up, cleaned it up, fixed a few electrical bug a boo's and had a go:

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Pardon the mess, still setting up the room. Had to change up the layout slightly to fit the table. It's only around 3x6 feet.

The 42 and 43 Pontiacs (Richard and Kyle) are the only slot cars there, the rest are hot wheels and such. The ones in the set are "Fast Trackers".

Was fun ripping them around, but I need more to hold my interest. And what is it with old controllers getting hot and stinking?!? Yeah right, pure, 100% resistance driven speed control.....ugh. After I get rolling, I'll have to look in to a different option for controllers other than straight resistance driven.

Off to ebay I grab a two more track sets, both Life Like stuff. One is "pole position challenge", but missing cars. I got it because it was cheap and there is a boatload of track in it. The other set was 40 bucks and it was a "Nascar truck challenge" set. Comes complete (and with an extra truck), but it's only a figure 8 track.

Then I grabbed a 77-79 Thunderbird AFX nascar. I paid waaaay too much for it, but one of my first cars was a 78 T-Bird and I wanted it. Grabbed four 440x2 chassis while I was there. That just about sets me up to build whatever I want and 10 chassis' to chose from to mount bodies. Bodies I will either 3d print, or use Hot Wheels or maybe scan the hot wheels and 3d print them. That way, I can scale up and down as needed.

Plan is to give each lane it's own power supply. Build it into the table (IE: MDF) and a full track setting around it. I want elevation changes, so some of the track will have to be "mountainous" I guess. Thinking I'll do a 4 lane track as I certainly have enough.

I grabbed a set of 4 turn out sections from a tyco (or AFX maybe) set. Plan is to build some solenoid "flippers" into the track to give drivers a chance to pit if they want. That's not going to be overly hard, but not simple either. I grabbed a couple NOS adapter pieces (LL to Tyco) to hook the turn outs to the LL track, but then realized since I am attaching the track to the table, I can just snip off the lugs, snug the tracks together, connect the electrical terminals from each set and we're off and running. I don't ever plan to break it down, so having it permanent isn't a big deal.

For pit lane I looked at the AFX hologram unit, but soon discovered that it is (for the most part) just a piece of glass to reflect your iPhone screen. The "hologram" is just an iPhone app. I downloaded the app and held it over a piece of glass and bingo! Holograms. The rest is just printed cardboard. I can do better than that and will make something up on the 3d printer. At least it will have a "real" 3d texture to it (ie: wood, brick, etc) instead of just printed cardboard. I also have several old iPhones laying around (we get a new one every time you re-up your plan) so I can make a couple pits with the holograms in it if I want. I don't need lap counting and such, I just want those neat little holograms.

Since it's all HO, some train stuff should work for some bits of scenery. Like trees, bushes and such. I've got one of those thick "HO train track building" books that will provide lots of useful hints and ideas about that.

Whatever else I need will be the 3d printer's job. Buildings, people, even car bodies. I've already downloaded quite a bit from the free 3d print sites and it's not overly hard to custom make whatever I may want. For anything mechanical, well....I've got a metal lathe, small knee mill, MIG and TIG out in the shop. I can TIG razor blades together, so I think I can handle anything I need for a slot car set.

Electronics? Yeah, this is all pretty basic stuff after working on helicopters, supersonic aircraft, heavy transports, etc my whole career. No challenges there.

Pardon the mess, still setting up the room. Had to change up the layout slightly to fit the table. It's only around 3x6 feet.

The 42 and 43 Pontiacs (Richard and Kyle) are the only slot cars there, the rest are hot wheels and such. The ones in the set are "Fast Trackers".

Was fun ripping them around, but I need more to hold my interest. And what is it with old controllers getting hot and stinking?!? Yeah right, pure, 100% resistance driven speed control.....ugh. After I get rolling, I'll have to look in to a different option for controllers other than straight resistance driven.

Off to ebay I grab a two more track sets, both Life Like stuff. One is "pole position challenge", but missing cars. I got it because it was cheap and there is a boatload of track in it. The other set was 40 bucks and it was a "Nascar truck challenge" set. Comes complete (and with an extra truck), but it's only a figure 8 track.

Then I grabbed a 77-79 Thunderbird AFX nascar. I paid waaaay too much for it, but one of my first cars was a 78 T-Bird and I wanted it. Grabbed four 440x2 chassis while I was there. That just about sets me up to build whatever I want and 10 chassis' to chose from to mount bodies. Bodies I will either 3d print, or use Hot Wheels or maybe scan the hot wheels and 3d print them. That way, I can scale up and down as needed.

Plan is to give each lane it's own power supply. Build it into the table (IE: MDF) and a full track setting around it. I want elevation changes, so some of the track will have to be "mountainous" I guess. Thinking I'll do a 4 lane track as I certainly have enough.

I grabbed a set of 4 turn out sections from a tyco (or AFX maybe) set. Plan is to build some solenoid "flippers" into the track to give drivers a chance to pit if they want. That's not going to be overly hard, but not simple either. I grabbed a couple NOS adapter pieces (LL to Tyco) to hook the turn outs to the LL track, but then realized since I am attaching the track to the table, I can just snip off the lugs, snug the tracks together, connect the electrical terminals from each set and we're off and running. I don't ever plan to break it down, so having it permanent isn't a big deal.

For pit lane I looked at the AFX hologram unit, but soon discovered that it is (for the most part) just a piece of glass to reflect your iPhone screen. The "hologram" is just an iPhone app. I downloaded the app and held it over a piece of glass and bingo! Holograms. The rest is just printed cardboard. I can do better than that and will make something up on the 3d printer. At least it will have a "real" 3d texture to it (ie: wood, brick, etc) instead of just printed cardboard. I also have several old iPhones laying around (we get a new one every time you re-up your plan) so I can make a couple pits with the holograms in it if I want. I don't need lap counting and such, I just want those neat little holograms.

Since it's all HO, some train stuff should work for some bits of scenery. Like trees, bushes and such. I've got one of those thick "HO train track building" books that will provide lots of useful hints and ideas about that.

Whatever else I need will be the 3d printer's job. Buildings, people, even car bodies. I've already downloaded quite a bit from the free 3d print sites and it's not overly hard to custom make whatever I may want. For anything mechanical, well....I've got a metal lathe, small knee mill, MIG and TIG out in the shop. I can TIG razor blades together, so I think I can handle anything I need for a slot car set.

Electronics? Yeah, this is all pretty basic stuff after working on helicopters, supersonic aircraft, heavy transports, etc my whole career. No challenges there.
 

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I'm still short on track for what I want, so I went on a bit of an ebay "tear".

First up, track. Not doing anything without track. And since my FIL left me a lifelike set, I went with that. So I grabbed a couple assorted lots:

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Nice bit of rokar stuff, same as Lifelike.
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Nice batch of LIfe like.

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Another big lot.

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And another big lot.


I wanted a pit lane turn out, and since lifelike doesn't have that option, I grabbed some afx stuff :

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I plan to build some solenoid driven flippers in the slots to enter/bypass pit lane. Just a simple button press at your driver station and into pit lane you go. But that's certainly not enough track length to make a pit lane, so I needed more AFX stuff:

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That will make for a pit lane that can pit both cars to the inside and there will be a lane change on the front straight in front of the grandstands. A couple AFX to lifelike adapters were also ordered up.

That about sets me up to build the track I want, with a fair bit left over.

Got maybe 200 bucks Cdn in all of that

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Next up: cars.

Some of these came with some of the sets, others I bought separately.

With the truck set:

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With the daytona set:

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I needed the track, but I also really wanted the 70's oldsmobile cutlass (had one of those too). Liked the "aero" regal as well.

I bought this set for the Peugot and the VW:

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I want to eventually add a rally track somewhere, so I bought this mostly for the cars.

A 77-79 tbird:

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Paid a bit too much for this one, mainly because one of my first (and most loved) cars was a 78 TBird



(to be cont)
 

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Cars (con't)

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Had to have a hot wheels Twin mill!

Needed something to run against the twin mill, so this fit the bill:

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It's just a body, but I've got what I need to fix that on the way.

These are a bit ratty, I bought them for the two bodies (I've got an 88 c4 corvette convertible in the garage) and any usable parts. They were cheap, really cheap....

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Then some nos 440's
Gray wheels:

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Glow in dark wheels:

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Ran across this while digging:

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I'd planned to make a scale 1/4 mile track, now I have a start on it!

That's about it for now, except for the couple doesn't 3d body files I've already downloaded and a dozen or so hot wheels I bought at the store. Plan is to 3d scan them and scale the bodies to fit the chassis. Or, I may 3d print a couple chassis to fit the hot wheels body dimensions. It will all depend on what looks decent/proper in HO scale.
 

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Assorted "gew gaws".

Power:

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Bought two, one to power each lane.

Ran across this:

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Thought it was neat and will look cool at the drivers station I plan to build. Got it for 10 bucks because it's very ratty and one side is broken inside. Broken little plastic bits. Not a problem if you have a 3d scanner and 3d printer! I'll just scan the working side and print off a new piece for the broken side.

Heck, I can re-print the whole thing if I want. Nothing complicated inside except for one simple solenoid.....
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Wanted a little better controllers, but didn't want to spend big bucks on them. Ended up with a reasonable compromise:



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Little bit better quality (so I read) but they also give me "brakes", so that's a step up. Not a big thing on HO, but still nice. Especially when on pit row. It's still resistive, so it's still going to get hot after a lot of use. I'm considering adding a small fan to it and a couple other "mods". Lots you can do with a simple DC circuit....... Thinking

So that's right about where I sit. I've got he 4x8 table built, now it's just a matter of waiting for all this stuff to drop on my doorstep and start building. Should be fun.

Looking at a bevy of timers, sensor and programs right now for lap timing and such.

I've also got somewhere around 100 files for people, buildings and track paraphernalia. 3d printer will be working overtime for a while once we get going. Nice thing is I don't have to print something off until I know where I want to put it. That's a nice change from having to buy a bunch of something and end up not using most of it....

I'm still on the hunt for 20-30 feet of straight track though. Got a couple I'm keeping and eye on that will set me up the way I want.
 

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Well, decided I wanted that drag track and threw caution to the wind:

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Had to drop nearly 200 CAd (shipping to Canada from the US is just nuts!).

29 25" pieces, that's 36-ish feet. There's also 3 15" squeeze tracks. Can't use them on a drag strip, but I have other ideas for those......
 

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Surfin' the big auction site again this morning and ran across another AFX "dynomite" dragster:

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It's pretty good from the pics. Fairly clean at least. It was on auction (I prefer buy it now) with an opening bid of 24 bucks. I bit up to 35 bucks, but thew guy obviously wasn't watching his auction and I got it for 26 bucks. Not bad at all!

Now I've got two "fuelers" I can race against each other.

Also grabbed a "cheapy" for 4 bucks:

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Location said "poland" and it looks to be some kind of lane changer, kind of like the TCR/speed steer stuff:
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Meh, I'm only after the body, so the chassis can go in the parts bin...
 

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welcome, you have been assimilated.
I like that you put the wiggle track on the overpass.
you certainly aren't faint hearted about acquiring.
I mostly drag race and I might tap you for 3-D stuff if you are available.
for power, I suggest you find a variable 30 volt, 10 (or 20) amp power supply.
switching are OK, Linear are best but expensive.
check Nitro Slots for drag race help (mention alpink) and maybe you will become a proxy drag race host.
there you can get ideas about affordable timing systems for your drag track too.
you may not think you need or want a timing system, but I have a feeling you will change your mind.
PM me if you would like to set up email communication or have specific questions.
this is a great source, however a little slow right now because of summer activities.
let me take the time to thank you on behalf of all members for your dedication in your career.
 

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welcome, you have been assimilated.
I like that you put the wiggle track on the overpass.
you certainly aren't faint hearted about acquiring.
I mostly drag race and I might tap you for 3-D stuff if you are available.
for power, I suggest you find a variable 30 volt, 10 (or 20) amp power supply.
switching are OK, Linear are best but expensive.
check Nitro Slots for drag race help (mention alpink) and maybe you will become a proxy drag race host.
there you can get ideas about affordable timing systems for your drag track too.
you may not think you need or want a timing system, but I have a feeling you will change your mind.
PM me if you would like to set up email communication or have specific questions.
this is a great source, however a little slow right now because of summer activities.
let me take the time to thank you on behalf of all members for your dedication in your career.

Well, I'm the kind of guy that if I'm going to go in, I'm going to point my toes because I'm going in deep!

Truthfully, it just made more sense to me to buy what i needed right off the bat and be done with it. Or at least, what i think I need,.....;)

Timing system is in the works already. Mostly just researching my options right now.

3d printing isn't a big deal for me, but I'm also still learning so I get a lot of "duds" mixed in with my prints right now. As we speak, my printer is making a Space 1999 Eagle shuttle.....
 

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had a seller offer a reduced price on these:

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Listed as "NOS in box, Screechers". Looks to be early Mangasteer stuff (IE: no slot pin). Not that it matters. Since they've got the "funny car" look, I plan to pull the guts out and make them straight up drag cars. Might try to reuse the chassis with a pin and locking the front wheels. If it doesn't work, I can always drop the body on a diff chassis.

Should be cool.
 

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Welcome to hobbytalk and awesome stuff you have congrats. 👍
 

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So, more ebay grabs.

Grabbed a big lot of tomy track:

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That, along with the Tomy stuff I've already picked up, should be enough to build the offroad rally track I have in mind. Since rally is run individually and timed, I plan to use both sides of the track for one car. Basically, the car will race up an elevation track that twists and hairpins. Then, a custom one lane track will loop it back on to the other rails and it will come back down the same track, effectively doubling the length of the track..

Ran across a couple trucks going cheap:

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The white one is a TCR/changer, but I'll just swap out the chassis or rework the TCR chassis to work on slots. Racing them isn't the plan, I just wanted a couple to build trailers for to place in the pits. Well, I will probably get them out on the track from time to time too.....;)

Then, a drag strip item popped up:

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Autoworld christmas tree and win light. No times, but you get a timed start (with jump light) and a light at the other end indicating which car went through first. This is just a home track for fun, so that fits the bill. I did see a post somewhere on the 'net where a guy used a standard electronic stop watch, hacked into the buttons and used it to time a road course. I'll either "hack" into the IR signal from the autoworld sensors or install a couple reed switches under the track and use those to trigger the start/stop button on the stopwatch. I'll either find a stopwatch with dual timer capability or just use two separate ones. I'll incorporate them into a board at the end of the track so it looks like timing lights. I'm planning a return lane as well. I'm going to take one of these:

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at the end of the run, just after the "win" lights. There will be a dead section so the cars will stop after the run. Then, once stopped, I will flip a switch that reverses the current and will also power the "run off" lane. That will allow me to back the car up to the return lane turn off. Then return the polarity to forward and a set of solenoid flippers will force the car onto the return road. Then it's just drive the car back to where the start point is. It won't be a loop, just a return lane. I suppose a simple turn at the end of the run off lane might be easier, but no where near as "trick"and this is about building it as much as using it. :)

And with that, I'm pretty much done with buying stuff off ebay. Well, that's a bit of a "half truth". I'm also running out of disposable cash for the next month or two! LOL!

Now I just have to wait for it to show up so I can start the construction.

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Glad you are having fun with the plans! Keep us updated on the construction along the way....
 

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Not sure if Autoworld has the software to record times but I know some people have their tracks connected to a pc or lap top to record and display all kinds of different track times, reaction times and elapsed times for bracket racing.
 

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Was trying to figure out how to squeeze an offroad rally onto my 4x8 HO table and it was just giving me fits. Not enough room.

Then, I ran across this:

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Nice track, but the construction pics are what gave me an idea:

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The slanted mounting board makes for a lot of surface area (in climb) and keeps it pretty compact. So I can make one that's roughly 3 feet high and still be able to roll it under the main roadrace table.

I'm not a fan of having it down on the floor though. My age/injuries make it difficult to get down to the floor. So I think I might make the table and incorporate a way to lift the whole thing roughly 2 feet.

Something simple like a screw/scissor jack (like a car jack) and an electric motor. I've got lots of that lying around, it's just a matter of building it.

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ran across this for 20 bucks and couldn't resist:

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It's just a body, but I'm going to have lots of options for a chassis.

Also grabbed another big track lot for a reasonable price:

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Cars are not original and it's missing a controller and the power track, but the rest seems to be there. I was after the track itself(lots of different turn sizes) so no worries on a few missing items.
 

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Alright, had enough track arrive to trial my first road course layout:

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Obviously, that's still really raw and mostly only for first proof of concept. The elevation changes and track surface will get reworked so the track (mostly) lays flat.

But, the cars will run on it as is:


Runs pretty good. My M chassis can go nearly flat out for most of it (that's what I was running on it in the video), but my T chassis cars will launch clear across the room on the second big hill if you're not paying attention!

LOL!
 

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I'm not sure how many people have seen the movie "Rush", but I've seen it so many times I've lost track. It's just as good every time I watch it. If you're not familiar with it, it's a dramatization (Lauda has commented they got about 80% of the story accurate) of the 1976 F1 championship battle between Niki Lauda and James Hunt.
When Niki passed on last year, I thought I would like to build something, or buy some type of memorabilia as a keepsake to the 1976 F1 season.

Well, now that I have a slot track in construction, I thought a couple F1 cars would be nice to have. But not any F1 cars. They had to be Hunt's M23 Mclaren and Niki's 312 Ferrari. And not just any M23 and 312, the specific configuration from their last race in Japan, where Hunt clinched the Championship.

I'd already ordered a couple 1:43 Diecast models:


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They're actually pretty close as far as comparisons to pictures from the time. But the challenge is finding slot car bodies that fit that very specific design/shape. Making it even harder is the fact that 1976 started out with both cars looking one way and ended with the cars shaped a little different. The biggest visual change was the big air intake scoop on both cars when the season started:

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and the lower profile scoops incorporated into the bodies at the end of the season:

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When I started looking, not much was out there. I was beginning to think I'd have to scan the scale models and 3d print something. Then I ran across some of the old Matchbox "speedtrack" bodies. Turns out, they have the exact bodies I'm looking for in HO scale! Well, as close as you can get with HO scale that is. The only problem is they are "speedtrack" cars. Meaning, they have close set shoes and typically run on 6V. Well, I was after the bodies, so that's not that big of a deal. I can either rework the chassis that they already have, or slip in a new one that works.

But, all the ones I found for sale in NA were pretty expensive. Mostly NOS still on cards. It woudl have been around $250-300 just to get them to my door and they STILL would have been 6V cars! They were just too dear a price for me. Overseas searching turned up lots of used ones, but in pretty sad repair. I'll need to paint them anyways, so a little "distressed" isn't that big a deal. First, the Ferrari:


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Then, the Mclaren:

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Then, a pair of the same cars:

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And here you can see the shoe spacing issue:

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It looks like there might be an issue getting another chassis under then to fit wider shoes, just because of the body size/shape) so I may recycle the chassis and find a way to make the shoe contact area wider at the front. I've got a couple ideas and I've seen a couple other guys solutions to that. The main issue with the 6V cars seem to be the motor brushes. Seems that the brush "wire" on the 6V cars simply "melt" on higher voltages, but it also seems you can swap in the higher voltage brushes and they work fine. If they're a little slow compared to other cars, that's fine. These two are about hte visuals more than the speed and slower just means you see the car instead of a red/white streak.

For cosmetics, well, you can see the pictures. Not a big deal, I would have to have had painted and detailed them the way I want them anyways. The Mclarens are both missing the rear wing, seems a common problem on used F1 cars. I will just fab up a new one, either hand working some plastic or 3D printing something. Oddly enough, I could find Hunt's number (ie:11) on the proper body, but I had to get a #2 Ferrari, which was Clay Rigazzoni's car (Lauda's teammate).

They certainly will have to be taken apart and refurbed. Not the least of which will be tires, a given on anything used for me.

I may use these as my first trial of making aluminum rims and casting silicone tires.....perhaps even a custom chassis.
 
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