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I know many people do not like this design but I am going to have a go at it. I built one around 25 years ago, pretty much a copy of the design for "Planet Of The Titans" but I was never really happy with it. I altered the model a few years later but again was not pleased with the design so I scrapped it. With Discovery using the McQuarrie design as inspiration I have decided to have another go at it, adding my own ideas that I used on my rework of the original that I built all those years ago. The one thing that bugged me was the primary hull, it had little or no resemblance to any Federation design so that is where I am starting with this model.

I am going to use flat surfaces to make up the primary hull, similar to how McQuarrie rendered the secondary hull, a loose interpretation of the constitution class hull:







I know this thing will be fugly, but hopefully in a good way.
 

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I think the problem with the design is that it just doesn't have enough 'common design' elements with the 'past' to work in the context of "Trek that we knew".

I suspect that if one rounded the engineering hull some and gave it warp nacelles somewhat in keeping with TOS or even 'as shown' TMP design, and balanced out the different masses (Saucer, Engineering and Nacelles) better we would have fallen in love with it.

And of course an argument could be made that the changes I suggest above are exactly what resulted in the 1701-D. Except that kinda goofy oval saucer. :)
 

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I really like this build of yours- looks pretty accurate to his design sketches.
While his concept was a fair bit removed from traditional Trek ships, the Federation is a big place with lots of alien races contributing their expertise. I can easily accept some Starfleet vessels which are not just a recombining a dozen or so shapes.
 

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I really like this build of yours- looks pretty accurate to his design sketches.
While his concept was a fair bit removed from traditional Trek ships, the Federation is a big place with lots of alien races contributing their expertise. I can easily accept some Starfleet vessels which are not just a recombining a dozen or so shapes.
Thanks, I am departing from the McQuarrie design in a couple of aspects, the saucer and the engines. To me the saucer in the original design looked like a Frisbee, I also altered the size of the saucer, making it larger. To me this looks more balanced. I will also make engines that resemble the standard original series design engines. I will keep the bank of what appears to be impulse engines that are under the hanger deck and add an impulse deck to the saucer as well.
I haven't decided where in the Trek timeline this belongs but I am leaning towards placing it after the building of the Constitution class ships and before the Refit design of proposed Phase II series and The Motion Picture.
 

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More framing done on the secondary hull, will try to get the dorsal section made as well tonight:



Wasn't happy with the shape of the upper hull of the saucer, so I removed and remade it, making it flatter, looks much better:



Finished the rough design of the lower hull:

 

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I love this build so far!
One issue- The connecting dorsal seems a bit off- IMO it should lower and raked forward more. I know the ship was rendered several different ways according to the scene he drew- this one does look like the one view from inside spacedock of it's arrival- all the pylons were stretched higher in that one.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ltBTj6IF--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18lsjl7zqudg1jpg.jpg


I think this view is the best of the concept drawings- and it should look even better with your saucer being larger-
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--FUyEiLpU--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18lsjl7zu3nqljpg.jpg

Just my opinion-
 

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I love this build so far!
One issue- The connecting dorsal seems a bit off- IMO it should lower and raked forward more. I know the ship was rendered several different ways according to the scene he drew- this one does look like the one view from inside spacedock of it's arrival- all the pylons were stretched higher in that one.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ltBTj6IF--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18lsjl7zqudg1jpg.jpg


I think this view is the best of the concept drawings- and it should look even better with your saucer being larger-
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--FUyEiLpU--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18lsjl7zu3nqljpg.jpg

Just my opinion-
I am just using McQuarrie's illustrations as a starting point and throwing in my own ideas. The triangular shape that is present for the engine pylons is not the final shape. I just added those as a stiffener to keep me from breaking them off since I included the uprights on the stern bulkhead of the model when I cut it out. I may rework the dorsal since I am not truly happy with it, it does need to be lower.
One good thing about this, all of the plastic I am using is free, so mistakes only cost me time.
 

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One good thing about this, all of the plastic I am using is free, so mistakes only cost me time.
I found a place to buy 4x8 from, but they wouldn't cut it or let me cut it to sizes that would fit in my car. Apparently, the need to keep people, even their own employees from injuring themselves on the business property was paramount. Insurance reasons.

I haven't bought from them. Unfortunately, no one else in Tucson allows sheets that size to be bought by the public.
 

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I found a place to buy 4x8 from, but they wouldn't cut it or let me cut it to sizes that would fit in my car. Apparently, the need to keep people, even their own employees from injuring themselves on the business property was paramount. Insurance reasons.

I haven't bought from them. Unfortunately, no one else in Tucson allows sheets that size to be bought by the public.
I work in a Walmart, a lot of the signage in electronics is printed on .050 and .060 styrene. When the old signs come down I grab them. Got two pieces today, 9 inches wide by 3 ft long!
 

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Thanks, Krlee! I will check into that! There's one not 5 miles from here!
 

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Crap, just noticed that my secondary hull has a bad warp in it, when looking at it from the front the hull is noticeably twisted when compared to the dorsal. Will have to rebuild the entire section.



Should be able to salvage the dorsal section.
 
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