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Very sad, but surely this company has to fold at some point. Did I read right losses now run at $300 Million a week?

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Guess they could always hit Uncle Sam up for a loan like Chtrysler did until they can right the ship. Can't see the gov't letting Ford go down, then again......:freak: rr
 

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Sad indeed. In U.S. anyway, they rode that pickup-SUV wave for years, relatively low tech but high profit. Kind of gave the mainstream car business away to the Japanese and Koreans, and fell way behind with crossovers and such. Hard to play catch up with all the costs and contracts they have.

Can't make it depending on rental and fleet business as they did for a long time.

I think back to when I was a kid and we were a Ford family, lots of variety and more distinguishable cars. Guess that's why I like the old T jet Fords.
 

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Best Car I ever owned is my wifes Taurus, 130,000 and never had to repair a thing its like a tank. Next to that was my 72 LTD, although I knew every gas jockey in Ontario..Worked for GM for many years and of course was expected to drive a Gm product all I ever got wrere nightmares and junk...did have one Dodge, had it 6 weeks and a City truck backed over it.. lol...and left stupid sob, cops went to the yard and found parts of my grill and paint all under his truck bed.. guess he is doing ok on the welfare system.. Absolute worst car I ever had was my 95 Ford Windstar.. spent more time on a tow hook then driving.. was never so happy to see a car go..

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It's unfortunate that they can't seem to build a reliable car these days. They aren't going to win any new fans if their new car is in the shop multiple times in the first 5 years of it's life, then more after. That isn't just a jab at Ford there, most American manufacturers fall into the category of being less reliable. For every person I hear that has a great American car, I hear at least 5 that tell me the engineering and build quality is crap. As well, every Japanese car I have owned, I fill it with gas, change the oil, and do routine maintenance, and it drives like a charm for years and years.

I don't work for a Japanese manufacturer, I just buy their cars at the moment. It doesn't seem to matter if it's a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, it just runs well. I would LOVE to buy American cars again, just make one I don't have to have in the shop every 3 months after it turns 5 years old.
 

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The really depressing thing in Europe has been the way that Mercedes have dropped the ball on quality. Short-term this is good for BMW and VAG but guess who the sales are likely to go to in the long term? Thats right - Lexus. I have nothing against the Japanease and I'm not one of those rednecks with ''Keep Toyota out of NASCAR'' sites but I don't like to see the way the march of the japan/tiger economies is not being battled against.
 

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It's unfortunate that they can't seem to build a reliable car these days. They aren't going to win any new fans if their new car is in the shop multiple times in the first 5 years of it's life, then more after. That isn't just a jab at Ford there, most American manufacturers fall into the category of being less reliable. For every person I hear that has a great American car, I hear at least 5 that tell me the engineering and build quality is crap. As well, every Japanese car I have owned, I fill it with gas, change the oil, and do routine maintenance, and it drives like a charm for years and years.

I don't work for a Japanese manufacturer, I just buy their cars at the moment. It doesn't seem to matter if it's a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, it just runs well. I would LOVE to buy American cars again, just make one I don't have to have in the shop every 3 months after it turns 5 years old.
I own a 98' F-150 that has NEVER been in the shop due to break down....ever...the only time it has ever has work done on it was for routine maint...

Mitsubishi made Zeros and torpedos that killed US service men...

Toyota aka toyoda made trucks that the japaneese army boot stomped across asia with...

There is no excuse for buying a foriegn car unless you are simply a collector and allready have several American muscle cars allready...and even then why not buy a classic MG, or a JAG ...

I also own a 73' pontiac lemans in near mint condition....wouldnt trade it for ANY car made accept for a Pantera with a mid engine 460 ci... :cool:
 

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I own a 98' F-150 that has NEVER been in the shop due to break down....ever...the only time it has ever has work done on it was for routine maint...

Like I said, 1 in 5.... It's great that your truck works, but for every story like yours, I talk to 4 or 5 more that have it in the shop constantly.

Mitsubishi made Zeros and torpedos that killed US service men...

Don't tell me about history, the British were killing us 200+ years ago, we were enslaving people, and taking land from indigenous people. Please tell me you have not one Japanese appliance in your home or something made over there, and then you can stand on your high horse and spout that garbage.

Toyota aka toyoda made trucks that the japaneese army boot stomped across asia with...

There is no excuse for buying a foriegn car unless you are simply a collector and allready have several American muscle cars allready...and even then why not buy a classic MG, or a JAG ...

I happen to own a 65' Buick Skylark, hope that's ok with you


I also own a 73' pontiac lemans in near mint condition....wouldnt trade it for ANY car made accept for a Pantera with a mid engine 460 ci...

FYI, aside from not purchasing new US cars at the moment, I have supported my country. I was in the Army for 4 years on active duty during the first go around in Saudi Arabia, so please do not question my patriotism

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I agree, I own a honda, made in the us with imported motor, Chevys come with a version of the hond motor made for them, the Chevy nova in the 90's was a toyoa ford cars are made in canda becuse it's chepper, Saturn ( i own 3) are no longer employye drive , yhey went the way of the big dollor, lots of imported parts
BTW Heny Ford ordered the shooting of striking workers, read your history, the 1st personal injury claim came from a Buicks falty wheels killing some one, and yes US cars need to get there act toghter.
Now LETS GET BACK TO SLOT CARS
 

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Well shoot all our beloved slotcars are made overseas and I love the Hong Kong TJETS as much as the NY ones :)

My grandfather served in WWI and WWII my Father served twenty years from WWII till 62 I serverd 20 Years from 70 - 91 Got out for 1 year and worked on Long Island

What my Grand Father and Dad would say is he who is the best at what he does wins.

If it is the Japanese then more power to them as they have been a steadfast in our corner for some time. In fact if you study Japanese business, all they did was take the best ideas we had (a chap nammed Demming) and took to heart what he taught them. It took them some time and they paid their dues to be the best. But don't count the American companies out for when really make ther minds up they can be unbeatable.

The two things that makes America great is the ability of everyone to be able to go as far as they want to go and our inovation. Because of the freedom we have enjoyed ever since we said good bye to our British cousins we are the most inovative society there is.

So God Bless America and may we always have new slot cars to play with :)

Ooops got to get back to work

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In the intrest of harmony I'm going to drop any reply I might have added...I'm certian it wouldnt go over well... :cool:

Back to toy cars. :thumbsup:
 

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You're right fellas, there are plenty of old battlefields. I live on a little piece of a great big one, but everybody on both sides shooting at each other was technically from the United States..... I'd get stirred up but my ancestors were in Italy and Scotland, among other places at the time.

There was a high point for the "big 3" - see all the current casting and modeling of mid 50's thru early 70's cars as one small example.
 

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Sandals and boots

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....wouldnt trade it for ANY car made accept for a Pantera with a mid engine 460 ci... :cool:
I actually passed history :p ! C'mon now Nick, much of the world was under the roman sandal for centuries, In recent times they changed to a jack boot in WWII. So by default the Magusta, Pantera, Ferrari and anything penciled by Pininfarina is off limits. :cry: As far as the rest of this thread goes, I'm not really sure what human rights violations have to do with cars? :confused: I'm pretty much offended anytime I have look at a turd, be it foreign or domestic, 1:1 or scale. I do find it interesting that from the dawn of time man has made weapons out of everthing and anything since he picked up that first stick or rock. So lets not blame any particular creed or color and tar and feather them all. Like America's shorts are squeeky clean? "Aye captain there be residual particles" In the interest of herding this topic from the philosophical, I'll play along here. As a mechanic, most of my career was spent in independent shops. I can honestly say I've worked on a pretty broad swath of "A to Z". We all have our favorites based on whatever experience based bias' we may have aquired. I have mine and will keep them to myself, in order to prevent the maelstrom of controvery such blasphemy would surely create. :devil: The old saying goes, If it has t#ts, pr#cks or wheels your gonna have problems! Sexist and crude as it may be, it rings true. Any mechanical contrivence is potentially just one skipped service, one shoddy repair from the scrap heap anyway. :eek: Some more so than others, and others not so much. If there's anyone to blame let's point the finger correctly. The by en large easily swayed and gullable American consumer, they'll believe anything! The hyperbolic advertising media that, if your not paying attention will convince you that it's really a silk purse and not a steaming pile. The engineers and middle mangement types that sign off on these abominations, are no less to blame. It's all about dollars and cents and It really should be about dollars and sense. The numbers dont lie, many people are not satisfied with the domestic offerings, and choose to go ROW. I find it hard to fault the educated consumer for wanting the bar a bit higher. It's about value, security, reliability and above all quality. Last time I checked it was still a free country and free enterprise dictates that you can still choose where the buck stops.
 

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To remind everyone it wan't just the government that bailed out Chrysler in the early 80s but also the original Blue Brothers movie. Did you see how many cop cars were totalled in the movie? Everyone a Mopar! Maybe Blues Brothers III using Crown Vics?
All I know is I've done my share Every car I own is a Ford; 84 Mustang SVO, 90 Mustang LX convertible, 01 Explorer Sport, and 01 F150 pickup. No mech. issues. I would have loved to have bought one of the new Mustang GTs (white w/ dual blue racing stripes) however Mega Millions just hasn't been cooperating.
Would hate to see Ford go the way of AMC. I agree that Fusion and 500 may have been less than stellar. But what about Taurus, Escort, Crown Vic, F150, Explorer and the new Mustang? I guess it wasn't enough.
 

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I actually passed history :p ! C'mon now Nick, much of the world was under the roman sandal for centuries, In recent times they changed to a jack boot in WWII. So by default the Magusta, Pantera, Ferrari and anything penciled by Pininfarina is off limits. :cry: As far as the rest of this thread goes, I'm not really sure what human rights violations have to do with cars? :confused: I'm pretty much offended anytime I have look at a turd, be it foreign or domestic, 1:1 or scale. I do find it interesting that from the dawn of time man has made weapons out of everthing and anything since he picked up that first stick or rock. So lets not blame any particular creed or color and tar and feather them all. Like America's shorts are squeeky clean? "Aye captain there be residual particles" In the interest of herding this topic from the philosophical, I'll play along here. As a mechanic, most of my career was spent in independent shops. I can honestly say I've worked on a pretty broad swath of "A to Z". We all have our favorites based on whatever experience based bias' we may have aquired. I have mine and will keep them to myself, in order to prevent the maelstrom of controvery such blasphemy would surely create. :devil: The old saying goes, If it has t#ts, pr#cks or wheels your gonna have problems! Sexist and crude as it may be, it rings true. Any mechanical contrivence is potentially just one skipped service, one shoddy repair from the scrap heap anyway. :eek: Some more so than others, and others not so much. If there's anyone to blame let's point the finger correctly. The by en large easily swayed and gullable American consumer, they'll believe anything! The hyperbolic advertising media that, if your not paying attention will convince you that it's really a silk purse and not a steaming pile. The engineers and middle mangement types that sign off on these abominations, are no less to blame. It's all about dollars and cents and It really should be about dollars and sense. The numbers dont lie, many people are not satisfied with the domestic offerings, and choose to go ROW. I find it hard to fault the educated consumer for wanting the bar a bit higher. It's about value, security, reliability and above all quality. Last time I checked it was still a free country and free enterprise dictates that you can still choose where the buck stops.
...not to mention much of it being directly related to driving habits and how well the cars are maintained. :thumbsup:
 

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Great...
This argument has come up again...
What does this have to do with slotcars anyway?
Because most people who like little slot cars like the big ones too. If there weren't any 1:1's would there be any slot cars?

Because bad business decisions, corner cutting, and short-sighted marketing practices have sunk many a company whether they built toys or cars.
 

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What???

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Because most people who like little slot cars like the big ones too. If there weren't any 1:1's would there be any slot cars?

Because bad business decisions, corner cutting, and short-sighted marketing practices have sunk many a company whether they built toys or cars.
(I added bold btw..)

What?? You mean that it is not Toyota's, Honda's, Kia's, Hyundia's, VW's or any other car manufaturers FAULT???????

DO YOU MEAN THAT FORD HAS DONE THIS TO THEMSELVES???????

Wow... So do I. lol...
And I really hope that Ford has the ability to pull out of this.
It might take a 50 or a 100 year plan. (I kid you not...)
But I hope that Ford can come back...
 
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