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Suppose You are in your 6th month of employment,have recieved good evaluation(s),been commended on your skills & work attendance, then one day...

Your plant manager says as of this minute you are being "permanently laid-off", head for the unemployment office and file a claim for unemployment insurance.

Sorry to ask..But what is your take on this announcement?



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What's my take? My take is WTF? Unless the plant is scaling back because of lack of orders I'd feel terrible. We are looking for quality line workers all the time. Sometimes when it is slow they get laid off but usually we look for ways to keep them around so we don't lose them to the competition and these lay offs are always temporary. The last words we would say is "permanant". A good worker is a GOOD WORKER.

Not good Jeff, not good.
 

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Unless they were outright lying to you about your performance, it usually means they are having a downturn in business and having lay-offs. The key question is: are you the only one???
 

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At least they told you it was permanent . . . that is more than I got. what I got was, "We are laying you off while we re-organize things but before you go, we need your key to the office."

:rolleyes:

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Man Jeff, that sucks if it means what I think it means. I'm guessing the company is having financial problems.
 

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jnkfleet said:
Suppose You are in your 6th month of employment,have recieved good evaluation(s),been commended on your skills & work attendance, then one day...

Your plant manager says as of this minute you are being "permanently laid-off", head for the unemployment office and file a claim for unemployment insurance.

Sorry to ask..But what is your take on this announcement?



Jeff Fleetwood


My take Jeff when I was told of similar woes was that I have now had enough.

In a nutshell for me personally, it was bullsh*t like what you are now going through that finally prompted me to start my own business (I work two jobs, the second is my company).

I don't depend on anybody else for my success or failure anymore. Just me.

I'm only sorry I didn't do this sooner.

You are there to fill their checkbook Jeff, when it goes minus they cut you loose. Nothing personal. And that really is how you have to look at it.

Really sorry to hear Jeff. Let me know if there is anything I can do. I do have friends in high places with my daytime employer (corporate access to all the printing facilities nationwide). If you are interested, I might be able to find something in your area.
Email me if you wish:
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Thanks for your input...Everyone of you is right in their conclusion, after spending some time today talking with my former plant manager, he said the company was facing a slowdown in production,over extended its credit with the bank, no longer selling built inventory,and needed to cut out expenses begining with "the low man on the list".

It makes me feel no better or less relieved to learn that about 30 jobs were just cut(no more second shift assembly/fabrication),around this area finding something that pays well & you like to do is unheard of.

I did file for unemployment insurance that day..But now I must wait possibly 10 days to hear if I will even qualify..May not of had enough paid in due to a lengthy period between jobs.

The worst part of this story is the fact that after my 90 days of probation were up this company "insisted strongly" that I enroll in thier insurance benifits package, and be removed from my wifes family plan...That was a disruption but now I must(90 days later) attempt to return to my wifes insurance...This should be interesting(preexisting heart condition & diabetes), since I still have'nt gotten the paperwork straight from the initial switch.

Karen & I have wisely saved some finances for just this type situation,but now all I've heard today while job hunting is "this economy is turning bad..very fast"...We just hope this unemployment does'nt last 9 months like the last one.

Thanks everyone,please do not worry, I know the routine very well, and I shall once again be employed(all tho less enthused or secure about being so).

"America...What a country"


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Jeff, I know this doesn't help pay the bills, but don't take it personally. This was a piece of crap company who would try to impress you and motivate you with lots of "praise", but really it's all about them. They want you to do what's in their best interest, not yours. And if things get a little bumpy, it's "sorry Jeff, loved having ya, but you gotta go now. Thanks!" Living in America, the new millenium edition. Good luck with the unemployment bennies.
 

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Sorry to hear about the layoff. A few things to remember though are, if they(the company) can't tell you in plain english the reason for the layoff, the company may not be the type of company you would want to be working for long term anyway.
Second, I have found that there are always critics out there that are saying the economy is bad or headed that way, no matter how the economy really is. The unemployment in the area where I live is actually the lowest in five years. I know this doesn't help you, but it does contradict the "bad economy naysayers".
Third, I have been faced by a similar situation in the past and things actually turned out for better after all. I gained experience in different things, met new people, and some of my seemingly unrelated experiences actually , I believe, gave me an edge in finding and attaining my current employment.
I believe that everything has a purpose and that if you don't give up, and try to find a job, you will find another one and, who knows? It might even pay more or it will be one that you just love and will have more opportunity for advancement, or it will give you experience to, one day, get an even better job.Anyway, I wish you luck in your job search. I hope and pray you will find good employment. :wave:
 

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i have a real bad feeling about where the US economy is going in the next 2 years. oh yes ,,and be sure to remember,,,,employers are just that,,and only really care about themselves,,,they would do the same thing to you even after 10 years of service if they decieded to sell the company,,,kinda like PM did,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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but now all I've heard today while job hunting is "this economy is turning bad..very fast"...We just hope this unemployment does'nt last 9 months like the last one.
It's certainly possible that in your part of Iowa that is true, but just the opposite is true for the country as a whole. We are in the fastest growing economy in the last 20 years with 2 million jobs created in the last 2 years. Where I live (DC area), jobs go begging (although these are not manufacturing jobs, mostly IT/white collar). Are you guys wedded to your current part of the country or are you willing to travel?
 

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It's certainly possible that in your part of Iowa that is true, but just the opposite is true for the country as a whole. We are in the fastest growing economy in the last 20 years with 2 million jobs created in the last 2 years. Where I live (DC area), jobs go begging (although these are not manufacturing jobs, mostly IT/white collar). Are you guys wedded to your current part of the country or are you willing to travel?
We have been a part of this community for 20 years(the good & bad),while we entertain the idea of relocating we are hesitant...All of our Families are within minutes of us...But the main concern we have is the uncertainty of making a move only to find we made the move for the wrong reasons.

I believe that there is a better future for me personally elsewhere, but my wife fears change...I respect her position,she is a little older than I, and has been "forced" to relocate a couple times early in life.
I will give the local area a chance to produce employment..Within a certain time frame...Then we will discuss our other options.


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I also can not speak for whole country economy, but st louis is not good, I sell 1:1 cars, sales are down, that is how I judge economy. we had 10,000 american airline employees laid off last yr., Laid off people do not buy new cars. also have lost 33 % of my retirement money in stock market in last 3 yrs so I do not think economy is good. Good luck to you Jeff. You might come out better, hope so.
 

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My take is simply, your current company is happy with you, but can't afford to keep you at this time for some reason.

Hopefully you find employment quickly, your work history at your previous employer should make it very easy should you find an opportunity elsewhere.

Good Luck!
 

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jeff, i'm so sorry to hear of your misfortune! marilyn and i will be praying for you and karen! good luck my friend!:thumbsup:
 

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Best of luck, Jeff.

As the owner of a few Jeff Fleetwood customs, I know the quality you put into your work. It will not be a big surprise a few weeks from now (maybe even less!) when you announce a great new job.

There is always money to be made, even in the worst economy. Simply put, there's always someone with money- the key is finding this group and finding something (product or service) to meet their wants/needs. The USA is a service dominated economy these days. As you well know, many manufacturing jobs have gone overseas the last few decades for "economic" reasons. Yeah, greedy executives concerned about the bottom line, who forget that if they don't employ people and pay them enough money to live, they won't be able to afford to buy their products. Ooops... counterproductive in the long run. Even multi-billionaires only need so many yachts and Ferarris.

What I've found to work for me (though I hate it) is to work for one of the larger companies (heck, I was a Wal*Mart associate for five and a half years- including the day they passed General Motors as the world's largest company). You may not have control over your own destiny like Peter, but odds are they can afford to keep you in economic downturns. Unless they decide some guy in India can do your job better- so make sure whatever you pick can't be outsourced.

Maybe RC2/JL is hiring? And Illinois is a bit closer than Indiana, so the company *is* moving closer to you too. Just a thought...

Once again, best of luck. I have faith in you.
 
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