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But you think 5 amber steady-on lights are right for the 1:350 kit? I'm reworking my custom circuit board for the engines now (with 5 blinking LEDs) so I can easily add a few more blinkers; are you saying 10-12 in total blinkers would be right for that scale?
I've been reviewing a number of MP4 film clips that Doug Drexler compiled, and I've been counting the frames of various blinking lights so we can determine the ratio of on/off blinks for each blink cycle (regardless of the speed at which each clip was filmed) - and, not surprisingly, there were several different styles. We can program the LED lights to blink in whichever of the patterns/speeds we decide.

To answer your question, in the clips, it appears that the 5 steady ambers are there most of the time - with small multi-colored blinkers all over the place. The original lights were the mini-bulbs that plug into a socket (not C7's), so you want to squeeze as many as you have room for into the model. Long story, but we're still trying to count the exact number of bulbs - but I estimate you could have at least a dozen *small* blinkers in each dome, if there's room. Remember, the original domes also had a number of approx 1" mirror fragments glued to the wooden back of the nacelle.

To answer your unasked question - yes, I am quite mad. Mad as a Hatter! :)

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This thread makes me feel somewhat vindicated. :)

Gary - Not that I don't trust Doug (because I do!), but be certain to check the properties of the MP4 clips that he provided to verify that they are time-based at either 24 fps or 23.976 fps to match the original film frames. That way you can be certain that each video frame equals exactly one film frame - where 24 frames = 1 second of screen time.

Counting on a 30-frame (or 29.97) "video" base will throw off the timing significantly (25%) when trying to determine the correct blink rate of the lights.
 

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This is getting quite fascinating. I can't wait to read the last page to see 'who dune it'!

I say when this is all over we crown Gary Kerr as King Trekkie. With a scepter and all.

Hail, Hail King Gary!!

Just a thought....

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This thread makes me feel somewhat vindicated. :)

Gary - Not that I don't trust Doug (because I do!), but be certain to check the properties of the MP4 clips that he provided to verify that they are time-based at either 24 fps or 23.976 fps to match the original film frames. That way you can be certain that each video frame equals exactly one film frame - where 24 frames = 1 second of screen time.

Counting on a 30-frame (or 29.97) "video" base will throw off the timing significantly (25%) when trying to determine the correct blink rate of the lights.
Thanks for the info, but I know how the 24 fps filming rate gets screwed up when it's transferred to video, and how timing on Blue-rays is different from conventional video. At the present time, I'm not all that concerned with timing since they ran the camera at different speeds when they filmed the spfx footage in the 60's, and the model's motors were supposedly on rheostats. I'm beginning to think they did this on purpose, just to confuse us. :) The Okudas have found some fascinating written documentation on the spfx shots, but nothing regarding camera speed or rheostat settings.

I'm currently counting the ratios - that is, 36 frames on, 9 frames off, 36 frames on, 9 frames off, etc. No ratios in any two sequences are exactly the same, but I'm noticing some patterns that are in the same ballpark. For example, the blinking light on the side of the hangar bay has been doing its best impression of a strobe in all but one of the shots I've checked. In fact, it's hard hard to find a frame with a fully-lit "strobe". In the vast majority of frames, the light is just starting to come on, or it's fading off.

Once I settle on a few common ratios for the various lights, we'll settle on the timing, which is a whole 'nother ball of wax. We're thinking that some of the spots in which the model isn't moving much (eg. the classic blue phaser-firing shot, or the one in which the camera isn't moving and the model is slowly rotating on its stand) appear to have been filmed in (or close to) real time. We're still in the data-collecting stage, but I suspect that the final timing will come down to what "looks" and "feels" right. As usual, stay tuned for further developments.

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This is getting quite fascinating. I can't wait to read the last page to see 'who dune it'!

I say when this is all over we crown Gary Kerr as King Trekkie. With a scepter and all.

Hail, Hail King Gary!!

Just a thought....

Carl-
I respectfully decline the nomination, and if elected, I shall not serve. :) After all, the king always has somebody trying to dethrone him. I'm just just trying my best to satisfy my anal retentive nature by answering all the questions that have been bugging me since 1966.

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Awesome, waiting to hear more.
Thanks - I'm working on it. Actually, I left the TV off all Super Bowl Sunday, and spent the day doing restoration-related stuff. And not a drop of alcohol nor a bite of nachos - truly pathetic.

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So, do you think there will be an extensive article on the restoration when all is said and done - or better yet, a book?
 

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All I can say is DON'T do any painting on that sucker until we make some final decisions! Here's a hint: despite all stories to the contrary, the base color of the 11-footer was NOT greenish-gray.

Gary
Hmmmm ... when I painted mine, I went by the suggested colors you thought you had recommended, which was the greenish-gray. I am guessing this has changed? Not meaning to contradict or be argumentative, I am just trying to understand better.
 

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So, do you think there will be an extensive article on the restoration when all is said and done - or better yet, a book?
I don't know what the Smithsonian's plans are re. any books, but I could probably whip up at least a mind-numbingly detailed article or two geared more toward modelers. I've got so many additional measurements of the model, plus a bunch of hi-res reference photos of the model in its various iterations, that I'll be revising my plans for months!

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Hmmmm ... when I painted mine, I went by the suggested colors you thought you had recommended, which was the greenish-gray. I am guessing this has changed? Not meaning to contradict or be argumentative, I am just trying to understand better.
Greenish-gray paint was and is on the 11-footer, but it turns out the full story is more complicated than we first thought. We've done a ton of digging up additional, high-quality references, and now we actually have scientific analyses of the paint layers, instead of relying on contrasty, blurry, and off-color images. The greenish-gray paint was not the full story, but I want to do more thorough research before getting ahead of myself and making any grandiose declarations that may later prove false. I can say that the primary weathering color on the model, with the exception of the upper saucer, was brown, with a little charcoal "soot" from the engines.

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I'm just just trying my best to satisfy my anal retentive nature by answering all the questions that have been bugging me since 1966.

Gary
And that's our point and we all really, really appreciate what you're doing Gary. :thumbsup:

By the way, I cancelled the coronation.

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Gary, you've opened yourself up to being endlessly pestered! :)

Is anything being done regarding the control console? I can't remember if that even exists now. Part of me wonders if some of the answers being sought might lie in that thing.

And I completely understand your feelings regarding this job. It's always exciting to find answers to long-held questions, REAL answers and not just someone pontificating regurgitated rumor that actually doesn't know any more than you.

It's especially nice when that truth ends up being something you've long suspected but had no proof of. :)
 

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This is the first time the paint has really been thoroughly examined at the source. Thanks for keeping us informed, Gary K! I hope you can psychically feel the waves of gratitude washing over you. This is fascinating information and I know a lot of people here are going to be eating it up. :thumbsup:
 

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Gary, you've opened yourself up to being endlessly pestered! :)

Is anything being done regarding the control console? I can't remember if that even exists now. Part of me wonders if some of the answers being sought might lie in that thing.

And I completely understand your feelings regarding this job. It's always exciting to find answers to long-held questions, REAL answers and not just someone pontificating regurgitated rumor that actually doesn't know any more than you.

It's especially nice when that truth ends up being something you've long suspected but had no proof of. :)
We have photos of the control console that were taken when 3 cratefuls of Enterprise parts (and the Tholian ship) arrived at the museum in April 1974. Today there is no trace of the console anywhere. That would NEVER happen today. I think part of the problem is that back then, the Enterprise was regarded more as a novelty, and not as the historic icon that it's regarded today.

I've been trying to let go of my preconceptions regarding the model, and go where the evidence takes me.

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I'm a little puzzled. Doesn't the base color of the unaltered saucer top determine the base color overall?
The full answer is - it's complicated - and we're still working on the full answer. Paint darkens with age, multiple coats of shellac are yellowing, etc. The museum is carefully cleaning years of grunge off the saucer so we can get a better look at the existing paint. I know it's hard to do, but just sit tight until all the examinations have been made.

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