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What's the scale on the 3 Piece Adversary (Romulan Warbird, Klingon BOP & Ferengi Marauder) Set plus the Big Klingon BOP Kit?
 

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Check out the Starship Modeler Star Trek Scale Listing for a nearly complete look at the scales of just about every one of the Trek kits ever produced.

Romulan Warbird: 1/3200

Klingon BoP: literally a variety of scales, depending on which on-screen version of which class of ship you go with. The fine folks at Paramount's Visual Effects department weren't terribly consistant w/most ships seen in TNG thru VOY and the KBoP is prolly the one that suffered the worst for on-screen ambiguity where size is concerned. Regardless, this lil' KBoP works well as a 1/1400 B'rel-class scout or a 1/2500 K'Vort-class cruiser.

Ferengi Marauder: 1/3700

Larger Klingon BoP: another of those that is somewhat ambiguously scaled, w/thanks to the VFX folks at Paramount. This one works as a 1/650 or 1/537 scale K'Vort. It also works well as a 1/350 scale B'rel, as a number of folks have stated here and elsewhere.
 

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Griffworks said:
Klingon BoP: literally a variety of scales, depending on which on-screen version of which class of ship you go with. The fine folks at Paramount's Visual Effects department weren't terribly consistant w/most ships seen in TNG thru VOY and the KBoP is prolly the one that suffered the worst for on-screen ambiguity where size is concerned...

Larger Klingon BoP: another of those that is somewhat ambiguously scaled, w/thanks to the VFX folks at Paramount...
Seeing as how I was vehemently corrected on this matter in another forum, I'd like to point out the fact that the people in the Visual Effects department at Paramount are only following directions, and that it is ultimately the director of the film or series episode who is responsible for "playing fast and loose" with the accuracy of various starships used, including scale.

Example: The effects department that worked on Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home used a correctly-scaled BOP for the scene in which it de-cloaks over the whaling boat. When director Leonard Nimoy saw it, he decided the BOP should be larger so that the scene would have more visual impact, so the Visual Effects department made the changes he wanted.

Can't stop the message...
 

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Regardless who might be ultimately at fault - I doubt it's always the director. At least, not any more than it's always the VFX folks. The statement about ambiguous scaling of the KBoP stands, tho, 'cause it's all over the place post-ST:III. There are a LOT of other instances, as well - a lot of them in DS9 - where ships or stations are up- or down-scaled for whatever reason. Most of the time it's just plain silly the way it's done.
 

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What about camera angles and imagination?

Alfred Hitchcock, who was restrained by the lack of a CGI F/X department, was always able to create the emotional effect he wanted with 1940 circa camera equipment.

He story-boarded each shot and used his imagination.

Even though he only had real world constraints he was able to evoke whatever response he wanted in an audience.

He had imagination.

Personally I think that what post-TMP Star Trek's biggest problem is, is too little imagination and too much special effects.
 

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When director Leonard Nimoy saw it, he decided the BOP should be larger so that the scene would have more visual impact, so the Visual Effects department made the changes he wanted.
They were doing their job, as was Nimoy. :cool:
 

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BOP Scale

irregardless of the scale that was used in the shot in ST III, I think the shot of the BOP de-cloking in front of the whaleing ship was most effective way of saying "Back Off Guy's".

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