[uss_columbia]

I must say that after all the gloom and doom talk, this place is still home. The furniture's just been rearranged a bit.
Having the two sci fi forums consolidated is great!


Paul

 

[John P]

Having one that's not a friggin EZBoard is great too!

 

[Bruce Bishop]

This is my first drop by since the change. When did it happen?

 

[John P]

Wednesday. You're still in time for coffee .

 

[Chuck_P.R.]

I think you'll find this little corner of the net very relaxed and sociable.
Capt Lochnar has created a relaxed, enjoyable forum where people from both 3D and physical modeling are allowed to associate freely and exchange ideas. Disagreements on points sometimes occur, but arguments are virtually unheard of.

This is a relaxed, enjoyable, sociable forum. Now that the raw info previously available elsewhere is here and Thomas will be co-sponsoring the forum and contributing to more discussions it can only grow and become better.

Glad to see you as a co-sponsor Thomas!
Looking forward to all of us being able to exchange ideas freely.

 

[uss_columbia]

Disagreements on points sometimes occur, but arguments are virtually unheard of.

Well, I'd probably call some of the disagreements that involve Capt. Robert April to be closer to arguments, but they've been quite fun. And the name calling has been kept mostly under control.

 

[Four Mad Men]

Yes, capt Locknar has managed to do what most other board moderators have failed to do. And that's keep a bunch of aging Trek geeks under some semblance of control. Due, in part, by allowing a more open forum than most.

 

[Trek Ace]

Capt Lochnar has created a relaxed, enjoyable forum where people from both 3D and physical modeling are allowed to associate freely and exchange ideas. Disagreements on points sometimes occur, but arguments are virtually unheard of.

Unless you're discussing the orientation of the original Enterprise bridge. Then, it seems to be more cussing than discussing. :lol:

 

[Four Mad Men]

Well that's a Mark/April thing, and doesn't really have much to do with the orientation of the bridge :roll:

 

[Griffworks]

Well, over here those two have been relatively tame. Over at TrekBBS, when I used to go there, it was UGLY - and not on Mark Gagen's behalf, either. Getting spirited about your side of an argument is one thing, but the vitriol that was spate out in those threads....

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Jeffrey Griffin
Griffworks Shipyards

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Star Trek Scale Modeling WebRing

 

[Four Mad Men]

Agreed, it got pretty ugly at times over there. In fact it was one of those threads that convinced me to register at TrekBBS. So I guess some good came of it (or not depending on how one feels about yours truly).

 

[Griffworks]

It's one of the reasons I no longer post there. It's one thing to be passionate about your position on an argument and make your point with persistance born of that passion. It's entirely another to continuously insult those who have a different opinion on the same subject.

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Griffworks Shipyards

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[Chuck_P.R.]

Unless you're discussing the orientation of the original Enterprise bridge. Then, it seems to be more cussing than discussing. :lol:

Oh... those two.

Always sort of took the stuff they threw at one another not too seriously.
I think that secretly they share a lot of admiration, love, and respect for one another :devil:

You don't really think that all that arguing isn't just for show, do you?
I mean, really, who cares how the bridge is oriented? :tongue:

They are not really geeky enough to get truly hot and bothered about that sort of thing!

Besides, in the new Trek Season One DVD collection Paramount has settled the contraversy.

Haven't you seen the forward facing window on the bridge in the CGI opening?
I mean, if appears onscreen, it's supposed to be gospel, right?

 

[MGagen]

Well, over here those two have been relatively tame. Over at TrekBBS, when I used to go there, it was UGLY - and not on Mark Gagen's behalf, either. Getting spirited about your side of an argument is one thing, but the vitriol that was spate out in those threads....

Thanks, Griff. I'm glad some folks see the difference.

Besides, in the new Trek Season One DVD collection Paramount has settled the contraversy.

Haven't you seen the forward facing window on the bridge in the CGI opening?
I mean, if appears onscreen, it's supposed to be gospel, right?

...gospel right along with the cinematic wide-aspect main viewscreen we never noticed before.

And thanks to the new DVD fly-by intro, I finally have some clear footage of the real Enterprise to use as a reference! (Seriously, with all the excellent fan-produced CGI Enterprises out there, why oh why couldn't they have borrowed one of them, rather than assigning some uninformed art intern to whip one up over lunch?)

Mark "the hot and bothered Geek"

 

[Nova Designs]

Well I certainly hope that this place doesn't become another TrekBBS. One of the things I did like about the way Steve ran things is that he kept it about building Sci-fi models and not about fan-boy pissing contests. That crap (along with other types of juvenile behavior) is why I quit posting at TrekBBS. Once in a while there is something of interest, but 99% of the time its the same old tired crap.

PLEASE lets keep this forum about modeling Sci-fi and Star Trek kits and not about canonical arguments, who-knows-more-than-who competitions, and Trek "reimagining" threads. There's plenty of that elsewhere if that's your thing.

 

[Chuck_P.R.]

...gospel right along with the cinematic wide-aspect main viewscreen we never noticed before.

And thanks to the new DVD fly-by intro, I finally have some clear footage of the real Enterprise to use as a reference! (Seriously, with all the excellent fan-produced CGI Enterprises out there, why oh why couldn't they have borrowed one of them, rather than assigning some uninformed art intern to whip one up over lunch?)

Mark "the hot and bothered Geek"

Yep! I thought the graphics quality of that intro were quite lame, I was speaking tongue in cheek about it being gospel, of course. :lol: Though I think there are probably more then a few people on other boards that would argue the canonical issue ad nauseum.

 

[Chuck_P.R.]

Well I certainly hope that this place doesn't become another TrekBBS. One of the things I did like about the way Steve ran things is that he kept it about building Sci-fi models and not about fan-boy pissing contests. That crap (along with other types of juvenile behavior) is why I quit posting at TrekBBS. Once in a while there is something of interest, but 99% of the time its the same old tired crap.

PLEASE lets keep this forum about modeling Sci-fi and Star Trek kits and not about canonical arguments, who-knows-more-than-who competitions, and Trek "reimagining" threads. There's plenty of that elsewhere if that's your thing.

I doubt it ever will. At least it hasn't previous to the two forums being integrated. There may have been some really detailed discussions of how to flesh out 3D models, but none of that was about "reimagining" but rather about how to believably include and explain what was seen in the series in a believable 3D model of the Enterprise, the object being for most involved to eventually create a believable 3D model that might one day be explorable, that could be freely "walked-through."

There will be more discussion here of blueprinting/3D modeling then some who were used to seeing in Steve's forum. But that is because Steve allowed zero discussion of those issues.

This forum was created specifically for those computer modeling subjects, so please, if some of those only interested in physical model creation and not at all interested in 3D modeling or blueprinting: if you aren't interested in those subject please just don't bother with those threads.

I have seen no complaints about 3D modeling or blueprinting threads, but just want to point out, before someone who hasn't often visited this forum complains - that 3D Modeling and Blueprinting is the reason that this forum was created in the first place. It's not out of place here, it's the reason it was originally created.

The sponsor and now co-sponsor, Capt. Locknar, in order to let people know that physical model discussion wasn't forbidden here as 3D and blueprinting discussion was forbidden elsewhere, changed the name to a more general "Computer Assisted Modeling" subject matter, to let everyone know that all types of Sci-Fi/Trek modeling and blueprinting is welcome here.

Everyone here to date has had no problem discussing any issue whether 3D, blueprinting or physical modeling.

There has never been a need for heavy-handed moderating here that can stifle conversation, and I honestly hope there never will be.

Capt Locknar has done a tremendous job in pulling that off and it sounds like Thomas as well is unlikely to need to resort to that either.

This little corner of Hobbytalk is less like a lecture hall, and more like a comfortable cafe where people with similar interests can meet and talk freely. :wave:

 

[Nova Designs]

Yeah, Chuck you might be misunderstanding me. I wasn't really referring to posts of blueprinting or 3D modeling (both of which I am a huge proponent of--being a professional CG artist) but more of debates over what is canon and why, arguments over reworking Trek episodes in CG, and other such unresolvable and pointless time-wasters that have little or nothing to do with the hobby of scifi modeling--whether in 3D, on paper, or in plastic and resin.

As an example, threads like this one while harmless in and of themselves, are really pointless on a hobby forum, no offense intended to Warped9 and his creative imagination. But really, why post that on Hobbytalk? Photochopped screencaps really aren't what we're here for are we? Yeah its only one thread, someone will argue, but what about when it becomes ten, or fifty, or more? I've been around long enough, both as a forum administrator (4 years) and as a moderator to see this happen many times. As Thomas can attest to, I do tons of CG modeling, animation, and rendering... but I don't post that here because its really not going to help anyone build a better model. It would simply be gratuitous, and I don't need the ego boost.

Like I said before, Steve was a real hardass sometimes, but his forum was an excellent resource for the very specific topics it was designed for. It was successful because he kept the focus consistent and the threads on track. Its not at all an easy job and inevitably you're going to piss off some people who think things should be done differently. He was resistant to the inevitable desire to add CG to the discussions, but other than that and a few silly personal issues, he did a good job running his forum.

I definitely think those other kinds of Trek topics have their place--on other forums--but it seems, sadly, that the people who thrive on that kind of stuff tend to spread it to any forum where Trek is discussed in any fashion. I've seen a lot of cross-polination between here and TrekBBS. Odd though how most of the TrekBBSers coming to HobbyTalk never actually build any models. They just debate Trek.

Its really not fair to tell someone to just skip a topic when such things really have no bearing here. I've had to leave several other forums because the reason I was there was lost amongst all the BS and fan-boy preaching. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, I'm all for talking about anything the mods are cool with--so long as this forum doesn't become another fan-boy battleground, or so out of focus that its use as the great source of information we've all come to depend on is undermined. I know this is a new forum and not Steve's territory any longer, but I'm hoping that it will still stay hobby/model focused. I've been coming to Hobby Talk in its various incarnations for many years and have found it to be a great modeling resource. I have learned so much from it and its members. I hope that it can continue that way. :thumbsup:

 

[Lloyd Collins]

Well I certainly hope that this place doesn't become another TrekBBS. One of the things I did like about the way Steve ran things is that he kept it about building Sci-fi models and not about fan-boy pissing contests. That crap (along with other types of juvenile behavior) is why I quit posting at TrekBBS. Once in a while there is something of interest, but 99% of the time its the same old tired crap.

PLEASE lets keep this forum about modeling Sci-fi and Star Trek kits and not about canonical arguments, who-knows-more-than-who competitions, and Trek "reimagining" threads. There's plenty of that elsewhere if that's your thing.

I agree that this forum should be about modeling, but a little poking fun is always good when thing get too serious.

I just got back into model building this year. My first kit is the 3 ship AMT
set. The starship I am making the Starship Exeter, after the show of the
same name. The Klingon and Romulan will follow. :thumbsup:

Lloyd :freak:

 

[Chuck_P.R.]

Yeah, Chuck you might be misunderstanding me. I wasn't really referring to posts of blueprinting or 3D modeling

I didn't assume you were. By saying that no one has complained about those things yet, I was hoping it was clear I didn't think you were making such a complaint.

I just didn't want anyone to think that this is a new forum. It's a renamed one that has added an old database and has always welcomed all kinds of modeling threads, even though it was originally created for 3D modeling and blueprinting.

I just wanted to help head off some confusion by those coming on board thinking somehow that this is simply a continuation of the old board.

Rather then just saying that no one's complained about 3D modeling or blueprinting I should have also stated that I didn't consider your comments to be a complaint about those subjects.

No one has complained about those subjects yet. I just wanted to explain how the forum originated so that newer members will not mistakenly think those subjects out of place.

I know you weren't making such a complaint.

Even though I DO like Warped9's thread. If there were twenty like it I might feel differently, but it's an interesting diversion I find quite enjoyable regardless of the topic. The guy's got talent!