[aridas sofia]

Todd Guenther, Bill Thomas and I are in the process of building the entire B/C deck right now, including the bridge, based on the cross section I created from Jefferies' material. It's not ready to see yet, but it's certainly turning out to be some very interesting design work. Once it's done we hope to have a 3D walk-around like the strafe.com bridge above.

 

[aridas sofia]

Maybe you've never seen this material. I developed it after close scrutiny of as much of the existing Jefferies material as I could lay my hands on, including my own Phase 2 stuff (some of which I shared with the Cloudster site via Mark Gagen).

http://www.federationreference.com/forum/viewforum.asp?forum_id=9&cat_id=25&topic_id=307&cat_name=Special+Project%3A+NCC%2D1701+Cross+Section&topic_name=The+Place+to+Start%2E%2E%2E&mode=iVRjLgbcVP&c_status=sNYfR&t_status=sNYfR

This is the basis for the CGI work we are doing, though we are tweaking it as we flesh out each deck.

 

[aridas sofia]

Chuck,

The plans are based on Jefferies' 947' sizing of his ship.

The deck spacing was carefully taken from the two cross sections he drew -- for TMoST and the Phase 2. In most cases it scales to about one foot. That seems generous, given that the only time we ever saw a "ceiling" in TOS, the decking was mesh -- from the WNMHGB deleted scenes, at the 2:47 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xe5SUxq25I&mode=related&search=

As for the placement of the decks, they also come from the Jefferies cutaway. This exercise started as an effort to see whether his cutaway and the 947 foot size could work. If you insist the hangar deck as shown be used, it won't. But that hangar was highly distorted for filming purposes, and Jefferies shows how it was intended to look, undistorted, in the Phase 2 plan. I went with that, and only chose to make it a few feet shorter than MJ indicated, in order to avoid having it intrude upon the pylon join.

The beams and various braces are seen -- in this plan -- as part of what is called a semi-monocoque hull. In other words, the hull, boosted by the bracing, carries most of the stresses. There is a rudimentary skeletal "keel" deep in both the primary and secondary hulls -- the pylon joins this -- and the hull is connected to it via the deck structures -- that is why I felt justified boosting deck thickness to a foot in most areas (the mesh decking will show up in a few places in the secondary hull). Given magic materials like "tritanium" that can be as strong as we want, that foot is fine -- for me.

 

[aridas sofia]

I understand your point of view.

If you are trying to adhere closely to Jefferies' cutaways you have little choice.

There is one point that I don't feel 100% clear on, though.

Is there a chance you might redo the hanger to match the new CBS remake of the shuttlebay? If not anytime soon then at some future point?

I think this version will be similar to the CBS version, at least in its overall geometry. To my eye, their version looks much closer to mine than the original. The depth of the bay on their model is greater however, and would necessitate ignoring the pylon connection issue. I also think they have probably allowed their bay to "creep up" in size to allow it to be a little more spacious than the 947 foot confines would allow.

To see how that sizing would look, you need search no further than Bill's own model. While this isn't the model we are working with, and there are differences between his hangar deck and what I ended up with, this version is probably closer to what we'll end up with than any other one out there:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/wpthomas007/1701/Shuttledeck/HangarXparent.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/wpthomas007/1701/Shuttledeck/hangar013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/wpthomas007/1701/Shuttledeck/hangar002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/wpthomas007/1701/Shuttledeck/hangar004.jpg

The 3D walkaround that we end up with will be freely available to all on a new website devoted to the long-term storage and care of NCC-1701.

 

[aridas sofia]

I like what you guys did -- a lot. But this shuttle is scaled much closer to what Warped ended up with IIRC -- 26 feet or so, including the nacelles. We were going off the "24 foot" reference in the "Galileo 7" and praising Warped for getting the interior to fit as well as he did. :freak: