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Well, I remember Rick Sternbach saying that the four protruding rectangles represent landing pads. Seems silly as in scale they are way oversized. But, for the big Voyager miniature, I guess it was added detail.

Of course, I'm glad you finally saw them!!! :)
 

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John P said:
^Yeah, it was just a glorified shuttle that popped out of the part we thought was a torpedo launcher.

Rob, I hope those wings on the AeroShuttle aren't supposed to generate atmospheric lift, 'cause nothing with that cross-section is gonna generate anything but drag!
Heck, John P!

If 20th Century computers can handle making a brick like NASA's space shuttle glide to Earth anything's possible! :)
 

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Well, if we had aired the ship, I was going to refine the wings to be a little less "blunt trauma" to the aerodynamics. But when we got nixed, we moved on.....so, it stands as is. I've thought about refining it for next years Calendar, but now I don't think I'll have the time...

The only other original design that was also chopped (that I remember now)was the John Eaves Klingon D-6 or D-5 that I included it in my calendar image for 2006. It was originally done FOR FREE for ST:Enterprise by Koji, who stayed up 36 hours to do it for the show. It looked great, but then the "producer(s)" said, "put more windows on it". We said no (You have to understand that we did so much extra, that at that point it was the straw that broke the camels back when they were being mindlessely trivial and unappreciative). So, in there infinite wisdom, they choose to use a lo-rez K'Tinga model (from a timeline over 100 years later) we had lying around. Because that was much more logical than a ship that needed 10 more windows that no one would EVER notice!!!! E boy...
Hmmm wonder if any of those Einsteins ever considered the fact that the TOS D-7 had ZERO lighted windows! :rolleyes:

But continuity and making stuff look pre-TOS like was never high on the producer's list of priorities.

It's truly a shame that the work product of so many talented artists had to be okay'ed by someone who had little literary vision - muchless artistic insight or vision! :(

Fantastic Aeroshuttle!

Any chance we might get to see a bunch of high-res true orthos and perspective views of the John Eaves/Koji D-5(or whatever the number might have turned out to be)?

I also know of a certain 3D modeler(hint - FourMadMen) who is looking for a good 3D model of it, if you know where he might be able to come across such a monster.
 

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nx01Rob said:
Well, I remember Rick Sternbach saying that the four protruding rectangles represent landing pads. Seems silly as in scale they are way oversized. But, for the big Voyager miniature, I guess it was added detail.
Well, maybe the surface area of the rectangles represent just a landing skid? Nothing saying the whole foot has to be a block that big! :)

nx01Rob said:
Of course, I'm glad you finally saw them!!!
And once again,
THANK YOU!!!!!!
 

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Chuck_P.R. said:
Heck, John P!

If 20th Century computers can handle making a brick like NASA's space shuttle glide to Earth anything's possible! :)
The space shuttle wings are actual, working, properly-shaped airfoils. That's how the computers make it fly, it has real wings.
 

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Rob,I will be glad to see the D-4. Ever since I saw it in the calendar, I was really curious about it. Let me say, that ever year, I really look forward to the new Ships of the Line calendar. Your work, and the work of the other artist are always so awesome, and such a thrill for this old Trek fan to see. Thanks!:thumbsup:


The Space Shuttle is a brick glider. Except for no power, it is a plane.
 

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Thanks for the nice words Lloyd. I will also pass it on to the other Calendar artists!

And the Aeroshuttle wings are kinda silly. Unless there actually going to be airfoils, why bother with the extra mass those antigrav units have to deal with! (nerd alert!) It might as well be a Runabout. It's making me really want to redesign those things. Hmmmm...

Oh and about the D-4, I guess my least favorite thing on it is the engines. They look like they are from Picard's time, not pre-OS. However, the rest of it has that bulky primitive Klingony feel that I think would work. Always hard to reconcile today's FX abilities and exepctations with trying to stay true to something looking more primitive than TOS.
 

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Lloyd Collins said:
Rob,I will be glad to see the D-4. Ever since I saw it in the calendar, I was really curious about it. Let me say, that ever year, I really look forward to the new Ships of the Line calendar. Your work, and the work of the other artist are always so awesome, and such a trill for this old Trek fan to see. Thanks!:thumbsup:
Dittos, here! Great work! I like seeing the details up close and such never-seen scenes as the refit of the original 1701 to the refit. :thumbsup:
 

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Getting up close to the D-4, that is a mean looking ship. That would have really scared the Enterprise. It is such a shame, that it was not used. Koji was right to refuse further work on it, after all he did, they should have been grateful and the fans were the losers.
Thanks for posting them, Rob!
 

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Thanks for those images Rob. They are very much appreciated. It's too bad that something is banal as a few windows caused it's ultimate fate. Koji did indeed do a fine job with this design. I do have to agree about the engines though. They really should be clunkier. They almost look (24th C.) Romulan, if that makes any sense.
 

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I agree. Very, very sadly, this was just a small example of the leadership choices and logic that led to the ultimate demise of the show.
 

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Since you are feeling generous nx01Rob, please please post some hi-res orthos of the Andorian Warships from "Enterprise", you know Shan's ship. It was one of the coolest designs on the show.
 
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