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Safari Land Rover



Sorry, not the rare blue transitional version ... it's a gold one (good for hiding in the tall savanna grasses) :wave:

Setra Coach



there is also a yellow version (I do not have it)
Setras are appearing more and more in US as long-distance coaches.
 

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cool models :thumbsup: too bad that there was such monkey business surrounding the sf model.
i remember somebody putting a list together years ago asking if anybody had in there possession any of the possibly misunderstood sf variations. if i can find it i’ll post it. :rolleyes:
 

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I found the yellow one a while back at an antique store in Phoenix. The picture sucks as I had to use my cell phone, but it gives the general idea.
 

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Here are my different Superfast 12s.Although the casting changed from the LandRover to the Setra the color remained GOLD - few new castings were introduced in the same color as the previous retired casting.It is not difficult to swap green windows from the wine colored to the yellow coach to make a HTF variation ;) Yellow seems to be the least common and wine the most common Setra issue
 

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nice coaches :) , like the blistered coach :thumbsup: . it was a little too easy to make the yellow/green version :( .
some of the major variations. with the gray, off white and white tops.

along with the base plate support variation, the are minor body variations. the front grill has a few variations, lettering, headlight and emblem. license plate square and round edges. letters on sides and rear are also different.

the gray top has different tab than the white top


found the letter from 74 regarding the superfast variations. there were others that were also suspect.
some tried to submit variations of questionable background.
 

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As far as I know, only the red body SF 22 Pontiac GP has turned out to be a real issue, and like the cream rw 62 Cougar, it was only a small quantity using up spare red bodies to finish a run, and all exported to Latin America, if memory serves correctly.Great to see the funnies that collectors were trying to put over on eachother when I was still wearing short trousers at school :thumbsup:
 

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it would have been nice if the person that submitted the red sf pontiac would have given a little most history of the origin of the model. by not doing that makes for a questionable model, left for everyone to make up their own mind. it never was listed in any future bulletins . if i can find some of the other models the were questioned i’ll post them

i would imaging any combination of models were produced in the transitional period. what was intended for distribution to the public and what was not is what leads to confusion. some that access to many pre productions and had the ability to have anything painted in different colors, tried to pass them off as retail purchases. i don’t believe any catalog can be 100% foolproof , but it was nice to have an ongoing catalog for the superfast starting from 1970 onward. hopefully it eliminated many of the hearsay and questionable models.

another nice little game was for someone to advertise that they were willing to pay up to $20.00 for a certain model. conveniently someone else would have that model for sale at around $5.00.
also the sun faded variations. the little debate surrounding the #67 pink sf volkswagen 1600. if left in the sun it would turn to a nice silver. the pastel colors would turn white and many of the other nice little sun created variations.
 

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also the sun faded variations. the little debate surrounding the #67 pink sf volkswagen 1600. if left in the sun it would turn to a nice silver. the pastel colors would turn white and many of the other nice little sun created variations.
Christian Falkensteiner´s SF bible site contains photos of a silver ´Prepro´ wide wheels 67 VW1600-I like the sun faded theory or the silver primer zero topcoat to explain this in the same way that silver Land Rovers are explained - missing top coat is a negative variation
 

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i believe the pink volswagen back then wasn’t described as a pre production. it may have been one and was attempted to be passed off as a store bought model. some were then sun faded and were identical to each other.

the supplier of the silver land rovers in the early seventies never revealed his source for the models.
some of these were dismantled and were noticed to be painted silver all over the inside. scratching the silver paint on the inside of the cab showed a coat of blue paint. this is the rw model, don't know about the sf version.

there was so much information that couldn’t be written in public for various reason, so word of mouth was one way to spread information about certain models. corresponding via cassette tape was also a good way of communicating and a better way of describing variations that were hard to describe in writing .

i could never understand the ego and jealously within hobbies. i admire collections and consider it to be one big collection. the knowledge shared amongst collectors is what i find most enjoyable :) . theft among collectors is one thing i will never tolerate. some models that i don’t have any more i believe went that way, i don’t remember selling or trading them. i think i lost a few at collector meets too, sometimes it’s hard to remember what you brought to the show and what you sold.

i still have few that have the price price tag i put on them years ago .a couple that are amusing are blistered citroens with orange interiors for $5.00 and blistered blaze busters with black ladders for $5.00 :freak:
 

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i believe the pink volswagen back then wasn’t described as a pre production. it may have been one and was attempted to be passed off as a store bought model. some were then sun faded and were identical to each other.

the supplier of the silver land rovers in the early seventies never revealed his source for the models.
some of these were dismantled and were noticed to be painted silver all over the inside. scratching the silver paint on the inside of the cab showed a coat of blue paint. this is the rw model, don't know about the sf version.

there was so much information that couldn’t be written in public for various reason, so word of mouth was one way to spread information about certain models. corresponding via cassette tape was also a good way of communicating and a better way of describing variations that were hard to describe in writing .

i could never understand the ego and jealously within hobbies. i admire collections and consider it to be one big collection. the knowledge shared amongst collectors is what i find most enjoyable :) . theft among collectors is one thing i will never tolerate. some models that i don’t have any more i believe went that way, i don’t remember selling or trading them. i think i lost a few at collector meets too, sometimes it’s hard to remember what you brought to the show and what you sold :freak:
Most of the people involved from those days are dead and gone, so I think its OK to discuss these things online now, so that the newer collectors know how some more interesting peices were created or their origin.
There is a segment of society many regard as ´the have more´ type - no matter what they have they focus on what they dont have rather than being grateful for and enjoying what they do have.This is most noticeable with hotwheels redlines, incidences of stealing from other collectors and swarms of offers to buy or trade anything unusual that is just posted by a proud owner wanting to discuss his prize, not sell or trade it- Matchbox is a bit more civilised and doesnt involve such big bucks :thumbsup: Mountain - do you ever get any offers to buy or trade your things from posting in this forum????????????
who was the sole supplier of silver RW LandRovers?
 

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i don’t know how anybody could have a model in their collection when they know it was stolen.

a nice privilege was being to be alone in the a.i.m. stockroom. a chance to go through everything to check for variations that you needed. the museum attached to harold’s place was a nice place to spend the day. i still can’t believe that somebody stole from the museum. to think that a trust was placed by harold, only to have something lifted from the museum is sickening. :(


haven’t traded or sold in over twenty years. mostly then it was to newer collectors looking for older models.
here are some of blaze busters with black ladders, imaging if they were white ladders. :)
these have the side/ top casting variations, the silver rear variation and the minor label variation
 

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Is that museum still open? Do you know for sure that somebody stole some cars? I guess it pays to really know the folks that get to handle our toys. When I was 8 years old a certain school friend stole my new Corgi Rockets 007 Ford Escort, and there it was, next time i visited his home.He didnt give it back, but he did admit his crime and gave me a Dinky Jensen FF in compensation - this taught me never again to steal anything :dude:
Over on that ´other´ matchbox forum a certain member with an awesome collection of pre-pros,color trials and lunchbox specials admitted that a nameless visiting collector had pocketed one of his ultra rares.....
 

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i believe the museum was packed up after he passed away. he did say that someone stole from the museum and mention it in writing, can’t remember which model it was.
one of the gems in the museum was a soap box racer with no lettering on the bottom.
 
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