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Let's Talk Up Rule Changes For Next Season Right Here!
i stepped on steves retiring post (forgive me) so i felt a new thread for rules discussion should be fired up.
allan will you make rule changes (if needed) by yourself? a commitee or have all racers chime in and decide from there?
will we see speed decreases in some if not all classes for the fall season?
will the cot class drop the TC wing on the back like nascar is doing?
will there be more than one cot class?
am i jumping the gun? wait don't answer that one!
Because looks do matter. Or else we'd all be racing these:
There's a desire to differentiate visually from one class to the next. The Hobby and stock car racing in the real world, had 3 distinct body styles available, so it was decided we should try to use them all. That way each class had an identity beyond what motor was in the car.
There was alot of discussion about how to name classes at the start of this, and it was difficult not to step on people's toes and egos. In the NE where the cream of the crop run 13.5 because of smaller tracks, you wouldn't really call the class Sportsman Stock because it certainly wasn't contested at a Sportsman's level. Heck, @ BRL Nationals you had the Snowbirds open Mod Champ running the class, so Sportsman is a stretch. With the ESC changes, its apparent that a class's identity doesn't have to live in motor wind alone since its no longer the only thing determining the cars level of speed.
So now the hope is that from season to season, the speeds achieved by the cars running a Truck body are the same, COT speeds are the same, etc. It helps build a better understanding of the levels of performance inside and outside the hobby. Obviously, you hope to do that with a minimum of rules changes under the body from year to year as well.
We've seen at Snowbirds that 13.5 with open speedos can be run just fine with COT bodies. I think there's still some concern about how well they work on some of the tighter tracks in the NE, because I know they weren't excited about the change at the original 13.5 speeds. So I'd bet that will be an ongoing discussion on how that's worked out over the season when their year wraps up.
I think the classes are just fine where they are now.
The way to keep racers is to NOT change every season, drivers just start to make gains, then you change it all over again...and you wounder why people quit~~~
i stepped on steves retiring post (forgive me) so i felt a new thread for rules discussion should be fired up.
allan will you make rule changes (if needed) by yourself? a commitee or have all racers chime in and decide from there?We have always ask for input for promoters, track owners and other distinguised people of the hobby.
will we see speed decreases in some if not all classes for the fall season?
will the cot class drop the TC wing on the back like nascar is doing?
will there be more than one cot class? not sure on these three yet,
am i jumping the gun? wait don't answer that one!u already knew the answer to this one. lol
I think the classes are just fine where they are now.
The way to keep racers is to NOT change every season, drivers just start to make gains, then you change it all over again...and you wounder why people quit~~~
I think we all agree that you don't want to change stuff all over again, but I think we have different ideas as to what is included in "stuff."
Is class speed included?
Are ESC rules included?
Is ESC programming included?
Are Bodies included?
Are motor requirements included?
Etc.
You can't keep them all the same, so you have to prioritize.
Alan's done a great job taking everybody's feedback into consideration, and I'm sure he'll continue to as the rules for next year take shape.
keep the classes/bodies, open the speedo's, and lets race!
Ya, as easy as it sounds, there will always be someone that wants to about something!
I just wish it was that easy too!
You know they can only try organize classes somehow to keep up with manufactures products. I bet if some racers would race for the fun of it, there will not be as much critical talk going on. Everybody knows that when new stuff comes out, some has to run right out and get it, and then the racer say this is all I got so I can't race. I know because I've seen it alot. I don't understand why people wants to down TOUR so much, ROAR charged alot for the race, membership fees and yearly membership and I forget whatever eles. My take is, TOUR is volunteers that step up to organize some kind of rule platform for pancar oval, not trying to charge anybody anything. I thought that you can adapt the rule package, all or some to your track, in efforts to get them close from track to track. Back to ROAR, I remember back in 2002, I had to purchase a membership just to race in that one race. Now looking back, I'm thankful that I don't have to do that! As far as I'm concerned, TOUR ONLY WANTS TO HELP!
So with the new speedos it would put 13.5 about halfway in between what 19T and open mod was in 2004. Then on top of that we now have lighter cars, less leftside weight and need to start tires at 2.12 (at the biggest) to be fast.
I agree that there has been too much change and honestly we screwed up some really good things some regions had going before this year. That being said, cars that are way too fast and a set of tires each race day is not helping the turnouts.
about something!
