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i predicted handout brushless motors for the birds 2009! looks like i am on target!
Entry fee for the 2008 IIC has been announced!
All 13.5 and 17.5 classes will be receiving handout Brushless motors included with their entry fee for this year’s event. As Brushless technology has taken over the RC world, we wanted to offer this great technology in a handout format to our racers at this year’s IIC. Entry fee for this year’s 13.5 and 17.5 classes will be as follows: $165.00 for your first class and your 2nd and 3rd class will be $90.00. Given the handout motors for this year's event will be Brushless we are very excited to only have a $15.00 increase in entry fees from last year.
boylan is sure to follow...sponsor dollars and motor sales = handouts!
Well i know a lot of guys where not happy with the Brushless stuff from the last birds. But what about Speedos what are they doing to keep the Electronical Masterminds from increasing power threw the ESC??
we just opened up the 10.5 class to any esc here in florida...so far we have tried speedpassion,tekin,novak and lrp.....90% of the guys went back to lrp. so far no magic joo joo with the other brands.
i predicted handout brushless motors for the birds 2009! looks like i am on target!
Entry fee for the 2008 IIC has been announced!
All 13.5 and 17.5 classes will be receiving handout Brushless motors included with their entry fee for this year’s event. As Brushless technology has taken over the RC world, we wanted to offer this great technology in a handout format to our racers at this year’s IIC. Entry fee for this year’s 13.5 and 17.5 classes will be as follows: $165.00 for your first class and your 2nd and 3rd class will be $90.00. Given the handout motors for this year's event will be Brushless we are very excited to only have a $15.00 increase in entry fees from last year.
boylan is sure to follow...sponsor dollars and motor sales = handouts!
Only problem is- if the motors are speed Passion motors, the Novak guys are in deep trouble!!!!! The Trinity motors are relabeled Speed pasion motors!
Hmm... my crystal ball tells me that NOVAK will make their controllers firmware updatable in the future. It will be the only way to get the most out of thier controllers with other brand motors as such the case with handouts.
Only problem is- if the motors are speed Passion motors, the Novak guys are in deep trouble!!!!! The Trinity motors are relabeled Speed pasion motors!
The Trinity, Speed Passion, Checkpoint, Orion, GM, etc, etc. etc. Are all manufactered by the same company, Feigao, however all to their own specs (however minutely different they may be).
So how would that place any of the novak drivers in more trouble than it would any of the drivers for the aforementioned companies?
What would be any different than if the novak motor was the handout?
If it's because you still think team drivers will get the better stuff, then make it a hacker motor. Hacker only has one driver that runs oval, Josh Cyrul.
Anyway it is done, it will be good or bad for one party or another.
But it doesn't matter, people will still piss and moan regardless.
Boylan will make the right decision, and decide what he thinks will be the best.
Trailranger,
You are probably correct and that is the only problem I see with handout brushless motors. This junk is getting way too technical. It sure was a lot more simple when all you had to do was cut the comm and throw in a pair of brushes.
You are probably correct and that is the only problem I see with handout brushless motors. This junk is getting way too technical. It sure was a lot more simple when all you had to do was cut the comm and throw in a pair of brushes.
-Adam Liehr
have we all forgotten about the "spec" handout ultra bird motors over the past 4 or 5 years?
racers taking magnets out and putting in wayyy better magnets
cutting down p94 brushes to fit inside the hoods
magnet zapping
cutting the comm so small you got one run
magnet zapping to advance the timming
drilling the timming rings to advance timming
drilling arms to "balance" the arms
one run "soaked" brushes
there is a laundry list of things that have been tampered with in brushed racing.......the more things change,the more they stay the same.
now it's rotors
inductance
timming
special esc's
all of this is "our" fault for reading a rule book and finding those gray areas to exploit.
as for handout brushless motors.......everyone would run one and they would all be in the same boat.......just make them tamper proof and be done with it.
The Trinity, Speed Passion, Checkpoint, Orion, GM, etc, etc. etc. Are all manufactered by the same company, Feigao, however all to their own specs (however minutely different they may be).
So how would that place any of the novak drivers in more trouble than it would any of the drivers for the aforementioned companies?
What would be any different than if the novak motor was the handout?
If it's because you still think team drivers will get the better stuff, then make it a hacker motor. Hacker only has one driver that runs oval, Josh Cyrul.
Anyway it is done, it will be good or bad for one party or another.
But it doesn't matter, people will still piss and moan regardless.
Boylan will make the right decision, and decide what he thinks will be the best.
Trailranger,
You are probably correct and that is the only problem I see with handout brushless motors. This junk is getting way too technical. It sure was a lot more simple when all you had to do was cut the comm and throw in a pair of brushes.
-Adam Liehr
Because the Novak motors are adjustable timing at the motors! and the speed passion type are timed by the speed control......NOVAK speed control put little to no timing in the motor! unlike LRP, Tekin, speed passion and most other speed controls.....Dyno a speed passion with a Novak then with any of the others and you will see the difference!!!! Its not hundreds of RPM, its Thousands!!!!!!! You can't make that up in gear!
All the speed passion/Trinity type are 0 timed at the motor and you can not adjust the timing at the motor! This is for the 13.5 BL and 10.5 BL motors.....Mod motors are different, I think you can change the timing on them at the motor........
Team TRINITY 2008
Hey guys,
I wanted to try to get a support thread going for Trinity. If you have any questions regarding the DUO brushless motors or the IB 4600's I'll do my best to answer them or find an answer for you.
Adam Liehr
Team Trinity
You are a Trinity driver you should know these things!!!!!!!!!
Some general thoughts and questions starting to come up in racing:
Leave all brushless classes Novak?
Open up brushless to 'ROAR' approved motors and multiple companies?
Allow tracks and Nationals to bid on 'brand specific' motors for 13.5 and/or 17.5 classes?
Agreed. I mainly just like the fact that, with brushed motors nearly everything is exposed now. It took some time, and it will again with brushless. Eventually we will all know all of the tricks and there will be rules in place.
Jimmy,
I haven't dyno tested anything, and in the limited 10.5 racing I have done it has been with a LRP speedo and a Novak motor.
So what about the difference with a Novak motor with the same timing run on a gtb vs. lrp?
And as far as being a Trinity driver, I've only run there for about four months. I haven't even tested any of their 10.5 motors, because they are illegal everywhere around here (for right now). The only Trinity motors I have run have been modified and they do have adjustable timing. Any of the races I have been at since joining Trinity have been Novak only. I'm sorry I didn't realize I had to know everything about a product I have yet to have the opportunity to test!!!! Especially when the minute I put it in my car I would be blasted on the net as a cheater.
And obviously you missed the last statement I made. "If I don't know the answer I will find it for you." I don't know everything about the product and therefore when people ask questions that I don't know the answer too, I take the time to ask questions myself and try to find the answer either on the forums or by asking friends. So I asked the questions that I did trying to find out for myself.
All I did was ask few questions and you want to have a pissing contest. Frankly, it's not worth the time to get into it with you.
On the flipside - what do racers feel about oval opening up to multiple brand 13.5s and 10.5s, as they are doing in Roar in other forms of racing?
I think it is a good idea. As long as there is a range for wire size and length (inductance) I say go for it. It will only bring the prices down. I think they should be open timing as well.
Should timing even be brought up in the rules - or left unwritten. Many are starting to believe it's not what it is cracked up to be. And some testing on the road side are showing some lower inductance brand motors might be getting too hot thus losing performance - and too much timing is yielding the same results. Rotor's might be the next frontier to master (with some things to watch and learn)....
Just trying to get some good topic discussion going.... thanks!
Hey Kat - not sure about handouts yet. Lot's of unknowns there. Plus the entry is more than double... with gas and the economy oval racers might not want to swallow that one.
