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First a big congrats to Dr Deal One on his latest purchase. I think we all know how it is to pay top coin for something we really want. Been there, done that so no judgement there by most of us I'm sure.
I am curious on a side note as to why some castings seem to get this "special tag" about them and they reach some pretty high bids. Some examples I can think of are these WL game pieces, the BWF Camaro white, the White Castle version Camaro in white, the Ecto1 in white.......... many of which don't have a numbering system so the real production numbers is always a little grey. I think it is fair to say that many of these castings are easily in the 300 range when it is all said and done.
Then you have for example the Fest Dinner Car. All numbered and registered and in a given year only around 150 are made. A far cry under 200 and it sells along with another casting numbered 150 or less with a Dinner and other goodies for 50.00? Each year around 120 people take advantage of this and perhaps back in their minds they hope it doesn't catch fire so everybody wants a piece of the action. Now, for those who say it isn't a white then I remind you that the Surprise car is and set up much the same way this game piece is. Again in numbers to date of under 175! Along the same path, the Pace cars are 250 numbers each and are still available for purchase. Just as rare and perhaps more rare than most of those other cars fought over on e-bay. I won't even go into the absurdity of the PSR numbers and yet I end up selling left overs last year for 50.00 to raise money for the gravity track and even though I did sell them all, it wasn't like nobody didn't get one who didn't want one.
Just think,somwhere,somebody probably won one and gave it to thier kid to play with.
It's just a combination of things.No casting without a very loyal following will go very high for very long,no matter how rare.I see this one settling down around $150-200,maybe a little more if you factor in Anniversary collectors,but most of them could probably justify living without it for even that price.The Liberty Mopar Nats cars are a 1/4 of that production and still only bring $150 or so,and I can't believe the Cool Collectables bwf Cuda's are only fetching $60 or so,less than it cost to guarantee a WL!!!
There's just no accounting for taste.
So, what we should do next year is put them up on "Ebay" a couple at a time? I agree with Mark, things get a little lopsided... maybe put WL tires on the Pace Cars? The Prize Challenger isn't TRULY a WL as there is no regular car for it to be 1% of, right? The 200 made are the only ones like that, so all of them are WL's.
I am soooo confused as to how values get assigned and accepted
Last edited by Macs_Little_Car; 06-15-2005 at 10:01 AM..
As for the Fest castings, for me these are priceless, as each one has great memories attached to them. These will be passed on to my grandson when I leave this world. As for value, I beleive they will be more valueable has time goes on because of rarity.
As for most other Whites, it has to do with popularity, demand at the time and the taste of new collectors entering the scene. I've ran a White lightning guide since 97 and have been damned and praised in the same day on a listed price. I've seen WLs plumit for a few months and then hit another all time high later. I purchase what i like and plan to keep for a long time, so value isn't a big thing with me Then you add in the enjoyment you've gotten from them, the memories, the great friendships and the money I've saved from spending foolishly, my diecasts are worth a lot to me. Steps off soapbox now.
Good point Rick. I never thought of it from the point that placing a value would/could create hard feelings as well especially when too low. I think anytime "white" is involved it creates a certain faux value no matter what, right from the get go. If a guy spends "x" amount and you have it listed for half that then he feels cheated, it causes hard feeelings and an ugly scene.
Just a topic to bounce around, no real answer perhaps and it's not like you see Fest castings pop up very often but when they do, I don't see the 500.00 craziness some others hit.
I bet if you made all 250 LF Cobra Daytona sets with White Lightning traits you would see a huge interest in them. Without the WL traits in the mind of the average collector they are just another Limited Edition car. Why this makes a Treasure Hunt with over 50,000 produced more sought after than a LE of 250, I'll never know or be able to explain.
If you hung 20 Daytonas on a store peg they'd probably collect some dust but if you hung 20 THs next to them they'd be scoffed up in an second. So much for collector intellect!
Another thing to note is original retail price. It's not like these LEs are $3 like any other JL, so the perceived value seems to be diminished since the investment in them is greater.
The thing I feel that makes the Tenth Challenger go so high is not so much the rarity but the difficulty in obtaining one. How many cars would you have to buy to find the winning game piece? Maybe it's not such a bad idea to buy it off epay! Then again I can see this car being put in the grab bags three years from now.
I believe the Fest cars are the MOST underrated Johnny Lightning cars out there! Especially the 02 and 03 PSR's.
Great Topic. I have to agree with PSRs, very limited and not available to the public, seems like they should bring more money then the $100 they tend to bring. Most WLs and contest cars are technically available to the public, PSRs aren’t, maybe that has something to do with it. I collect WLs because they are different, and limited. I also collect the limited edition stuff THAT I LIKE. That's the key to my JL collection; I only collect the ones I like. Even in WLs.
As for spending High Dollars on some cars, I don't see it, maybe it's the "got to have" syndrome.
I'm with Rick on this one; most of my cars have memories attached to them, that's what makes them special.
If I really want a High Dollar car, I’ll buy it, but I have a hard time paying top money. I’m cheap.