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Old 12-05-2007, 03:54 PM
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Good plan on the walls!

One thing that I don't like about my track are the table-tennis netting walls. While they actually do a very good job of keeping cars on the table without damaging them, they don't allow people to rest their hands on the table, and become closer to the action. Nice, sturdy walls give the track a pool-table like quality.

I also really like the stained look, and I think you could probably do this with your foam board on inside, and not make it look tacky. I'm envisioning only putting the foam board where you really need it. I bet 50% or more of your walls will not need protecting, because it will be highly unlikely that a car would hit certain portions of the walls.

Here is a thought: Determine those areas where some padding is required, and router the inside of the wall, so your foam board (or whatever you use for padding) is inlaid into it. That might look cool! And shape the inlays in an arc, instead of with straight lines. Maybe, instead of foam board, use some other type of padding, and cover it with some type of cloth. I think black leather-looking padded areas in purposeful locations, might look real sweet combined with a wood stained border wall.

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Old 12-05-2007, 07:41 PM
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I think black leather-looking padded areas in purposeful locations, might look real sweet combined with a wood stained border wall.
Wow, I like this idea. I will be researching for materials that might fit the bill. Thank you!!
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:09 AM
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My step-daughter and her boyfriend came down from Massachusetts to spend Christmas with us. After 5 minutes of running cars with me on the temporary 2-lane Clubman setup, he turned to her and said “I want one of these”. While she raced with me, he was taking pictures and videos with his phone, sending them to friends back home.

And now that the holidays are over, I’m back to spending some time working toward the long term plan for Pike Creek Raceway. Suffice it to say, construction has been a slooooooow process. Between work, the holidays, fooling around with umpteen temporary track configurations, football games, and agonizing over whether I wanted to use carpet or homasote, homasote or carpet……….I finally made a decision and did something with the table worthy of a minor update.

A few weeks ago, I purchased two sheets of homasote at Home Depot and attached them to the table top with all purpose Liquid Nails. The following week I rolled out two coats of Kilz 2 latex primer and the project sat another week. Two coats was an absolute necessity as the first coat did not provide a complete cover.

My basement rec room is only climate controlled when being used. We’ve had some really cold and wet weather here for several weeks and the room sees its share of humidity and temperature changes. On the weekend I wanted to apply color, I noticed that a few edges, particularly the corners, looked liked they warped a little and lifted upward a bit. I’m not sure if it was due to the room climate or if it was a lesson in using water based primer as opposed to oil. Maybe both. But anyway, to resolve the issue, I got a tube of Loctite All-Purpose construction adhesive and caulked all the way around the edges between the homasote and the wooden table top, clamping down the areas that appeared to need it. Once dried, I used the primer to further seal the edges of the homasote.

I applied the first coat of color last weekend. Behr 440F-4 Athenian Green. I was hoping to find a green that resembled the shade used at Fenway Park. I’m not sure if I nailed it, as the actual color that turned out looks a little bit brighter than the sample color card I got at HD. But I am happy with the results. One thing I noticed was that while the primer did a very good job of filling in the pock marks in the homasote surface with just being rolled out, the paint did not do the same. There were dozens of little white craters that needed to be filled in with a small brush later. Another minor disappointment was that the paint did not cover as well as I expected it would. There are several areas where roller marks are more apparent now that the surface has dried, resulting in thin cover areas where the white primer bleeds through. A second coat of color is being applied later today.

For those of you interested in using homasote, I would say that if I had to do it all over again, I would have used the Loctite around the edges before applying primer. But otherwise, I’m happy with the way things have gone.

I also picked up a bunch of 1x8 and 1x10 show grade Poplar for my side boards. My next step is to agonize for weeks on end as to the color of stain and type of finish I want to use on those. Just as it has been with this project so far, much more time must pass before I can report a total failure to make any significant progress.
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Old 01-19-2008, 12:05 PM
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My step-daughter and her boyfriend came down from Massachusetts to spend Christmas with us. After 5 minutes of running cars with me on the temporary 2-lane Clubman setup, he turned to her and said “I want one of these”. While she raced with me, he was taking pictures and videos with his phone, sending them to friends back home.
Ain't that great! I had same experience when my family came over to race. From teenagers to senior citizens, all had a great time.

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Just as it has been with this project so far, much more time must pass before I can report a total failure to make any significant progress.
LOL

I've found that staring at the track table for long periods of time prevents me from making progress that I will regret later.

One good thing about stain - there are fewer choices then there are colors of paint!
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I've found that staring at the track table for long periods of time prevents me from making progress that I will regret later.
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That's a mouthful . If being an HT member has taught me anything, it's that there can be a number of good ways to approach each aspect of a building project. All have some pros and cons, and deciding which approach works best for yourself isn't always easy. Taking the time to mull over all of the possibilities before making a decision is pretty much my nature, so it has helped me be that much more comfortable with what I've decided once it comes time to do the work. By comparison to most guys here, I know it has been slow going, but I'm happy with the results I've gotten so far.

I know I've said it before, but I don't think I'd have gotten even this far without everything I've learned from everyone here at HT.
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Been fooling around with different ideas for a 2-lane course. The table is still an 8x12 L. Note that the two 180 degree turns side by side in the lower left part of the table are 12 and 9 inch banked turns. The courses are 69 and 70 feet in length respectively. The long straight at the top would be on the front of the table, where driver stations will be. Cars will travel left to right on the straight NASCAR style (right to left when looking at the photos)

Thoughts? Preferences? Other completely different ideas where 2 lane design is concerned? (besides "Dude, you gotta go with four". I haven't completely abandoned that idea. Like I said.....I'm just goofing off with different ideas)
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Rudy, I'm in your boat right now. I laid down homasote over plywood, used a caulk adhesive between them. I don't have a dampness factor in my basement, but I did notice that the edge of the materials weren't 100% flat to each other. It still resulted with an acceptable result- everything was level. I didn't want to drive a screw through the layers and left as is. Today, I don't notice anything... maybe over the course of over a month, it settled.

I'd used a handbrush in applying two coats of Kilz Original Oil-Based Sealer. While it did take longer than using a roller, I felt it forced me to pay closer attention to covering all the 'dimples' in the homasote. For finishing, I applied Rustoleum Satin Hunter Green Enamel. I didn't want a high gloss finish. Again, using a handbrush it did take a bit more time, but I paid close attention to getting full coverage as homasote isn't a smooth surface.

I laid out my four-lane track and got up and running... sans any side board retaining walls. I just wanted to race!

Now since the table was set up about a foot and a half away from my concrete basement walls on three sides (a rather unique basement footprint), I didn't have any room for error around turns. After having my neice and nephew over one weekend shortly after the track was running, I decided the next step was the side boards. I chose 1/8 plywood, and secured it that it was a foot high off table level. Plenty of height for any mishap. I'd sadisticly tested my fasted cars, pushing them full-tilt around the most problematic turns on my layout. I'd get a healthy 'thunk', and my cars now stay on the table. The wood is soft enough that even F1 cars don't see any wing damage.

The walls remain unpainted, but I haven't made any decisions on changing that YET. The layout remains rather plain, with only the side boards up and the hunter green paint on the homasote, with the track on top. I'm even procrastinating about apron borders, something I wanted to try out earlier on instead of using the stock guardrails... which give a distinct advantage to the occupants of the outside lane on my layout.

While I'm slow-going in moving forward with the decorative aspect, I haven't made any decisions I regret ... lesson being, some of the best decisions you make are the ones that you DON'T make! Take your time, and the ideas will flow in. I'm having a blast with the track, and when my nephew and his buddy were over yesterday, they had some ideas that I may use.

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... there's a lot of truth in that observation. Just have fun with your layouts, and in time it will develop.

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Old 03-02-2008, 11:41 AM
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, valongi. Patience definitely works best for me.

Speaking of borders, after careful thought and research here on HT, I have decided on a plan. Now that I finally went out and got the supplies and a Dremel, I plan to work on some test pieces this afternoon

I purchased a box of HO scale RR cork roadbed. The pieces split in two, which creates a bevel on the outside edge. Since the roadbed is not quite the same height as Tomy track, I also bought a few sheets of black sticky-backed felt to cut into strips and attach to the underside of the cork. It appears that this will bring the roadbed up to the same height of the track nicely. Next, I will spray the cork black to match the track and make it appear like an extension of the road surface. The cork then gets tacked into place around the edges of the track with the beveled edge facing out, using black RR tracks nails. A shout out to SwamperGene for the whole idea Thanks!!

As for guard rails, I have a ton of Tomy rails already on hand. I plan to cut or clip the hooks off them just below the nub that sits on top of the track surface. The backside of the rail posts have a skinny slot where a nail can be super-glued into place. I would like for the nails to be long enough so that they go completely through the cork and sink into the homasote. I know I have seen this idea used by another HT member, but I cannot recall who it was Sorry!!

Before installing the rails, I want to try and give them a realistic look by spraying them with Rustoleum “Hammered Finish”. I’m hoping this will give them the look of real galvanized steel. If the Rustoleum doesn’t work out, I will try other paint finishes until I can get the desired result.

Anyway, once that is done, I plan to sink the rails into the flat part of the cork bed just inside the beveled edge. I’m hoping that this will leave sufficient room between the cars and the rail so as it is not an advantage for the outside lane any longer. I won’t be using any FISA striping as what I am hoping to achieve is an old school NASCAR type look from the 50s, when many of the tracks still had guard rails instead of concrete walls.

PS I may have mentioned it earlier here, but a guy I know has the walls of his track lined with foam poster board to reduce the shock of when the cars hit the wall. I may also be giving this a try once the walls are installed.

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Ok RudyK....what's the deal with thinking about going to 2 lanes?

Please share your thoughts on this. Just curious, as there is probably a 2 laner in my future, and I'm wondering if you are weighing the pro's and cons much like me.
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Hi Jeff,

Umm, wow, where do I begin? Well, there were a few reasons that are contributing to my current frame of mind. WARNING: All of this is subject to change

a) As much as I like the idea of doing the Aurora Clubman, 49 feet of lap length seemed short for having 64 sq. ft. of table space. It probably has to do with the L configuration being limiting, but I'm not in a position to arrange the tables into a 4x16. Well, technically I could, but that would mean sqeezing it into a 4x17 area and losing my planned space for a pit/workbench. Anyway, the 2-lane plans create a 69 foot lap length, which seems to be about the average for what I could have accomplished had I been able to do a standard 4x16 club table.

b) The more I think about it, the more I realize that chances are most of the time, I alone will be spending time with this track. If there is any competition, it will be the Mrs. running cars with me. As much as she enjoys it though, she spends far less time than I. Occassions that involve others such as my brother, Dad, son-in-law and nephew have been rare at best. Racing still seems like a foreign thing to most people I know, so club racing is not likely and I've resigned myself to the idea that this is strictly a "home" track.

c) I have been moving oh so slow with this. I've gotten to the point of where I am tired of looking at temporary layouts with track sections coming apart, crappy box controllers, or a blank table top in between umpteen other ideas that keep coming to my head, LOL I need to make a decision, stick with it, and start doing some serious building. Unfortunately though, there's been a change in the construction budget because..........

d) My company has given notice that our jobs are going to be outsourced to a low-cost software factory in India. All that remains is to get our work-through dates after they make final arrangements with the outsourcing firm. I've come this far and don't want to scrap the whole idea of building a good permanent track, but I need to think of the lower cost option right now.

Probably all TMI, but you asked How's things going with Orange Raceway? Looking good last time I saw!!

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This really sucks Rudy...

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d) My company has given notice that our jobs are going to be outsourced to a low-cost software factory in India.
Been here... did this. Sorry your going through it. Hang in there. ... As far as your track plan goes, sounds like your making the right moves (even though it feels like you're not making any). There are umpteen ways to go, but bottom line is that you need to find one that is in line with your new budget AND makes you smile. That can take time and there is no harm or foul in scaling back to a 2 laner based on the circumstances. There are no really "bad" layouts either. Any track is better than no track when yer "Jones-ing" to run some little cars. Keep it fun. nd
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Keep your head up rudy! You've got an awesome start and ideas flowing so keep on!
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Rudy, hang in there with your job situation.

I never posted this up here since I'm not into self-pity, but my wife and I just made it through the holidays under the following circumstances: a) lost my job between Thanksgiving and Christmas, b) knowing that we were adopting our newborn baby who was born on Jan. 17th c) with adoption costs and lawyer fees to take care of... and d) unclear of a date on when I was going to land a position, and risk not having medical coverage for our family. And paying $1,300+ a month for COBRA was as palatable as an enema. I could unfortunately relate to having to build your layout with an uncertain revenue stream in the near future

I did sign on with my new job Feb 11th, so all things considered we are VERY lucky in life right now. I relish every damn day I'm able to come home to my wife and kids, and run a car around that little track every couple of days. It will forever remind me of the delicate balance we enjoy in the good times, and of the times that you want to down some Mylanta over the stresses of supporting your family.

You'll come out of this. Just believe in yourself....

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Anthony,

Sorry to hear about the job situation. Hopefully it turns into a positive event, such as finding a job you prefer more then the current one - one you may not have realized was out there just waiting for you.

Regarding the track, I do agree with you that 49 feet of track seems a bit short for the amount of table space and floor space in your house that you are dedicating to the track. Not that it would be wrong to do, and especially if you wanted large areas to landscape. I think 60 to 70 feet of track, be it 2 or 4 lane, is probably a decent benchmark for your table area. My Eron 70 track on same size table was ~70, and was a good fit, but not much room for landscaping.

As for most of the time running solo or with the Mrs., I can totally relate. If I remember correctly, there has only been 3 times in the past year that I had more then 2 people racing at same time. I was questioning the reason for having 4 lanes of track. At one point, I took down the Eron set-up, and created a 2 lane track that was ~130 feet. My neighbor and I agreed that this was far better then the 4 lane track. But a few weeks later, I went back to 4 lanes. For one, it was just way too much track on the table. It was too easy to lose track of where your car was at, and what was coming up next.

But the main reason was that, even though 99% of my racing was being done as 1 or 2 people, the one time up to that point when I was actually able to field 4 racers, it was more fun then all the 2 person races combined. Sometime later I was able to have about a dozen people here to race. And I can still remember all the fun we had, while I have pretty much forgotten all the 2 person races.

Granted, my budget wasn't a factor, since I had already purchased everything I needed for a 4 lane set-up. But if the budget had been a factor, and knowing what I know now, I would probably build a semi-permanent 2 lane track, knowing that when finances allowed, I would then convert to the 4 lane.

I didn't want to post a "Dude, you have to go 4 lane" or "Build it, and they will come", because you don't have to, and even if you do, they may not come. But there are some very good reasons to keep a 4-laner in your thoughts, or in your future.

Having said all that , I really thought the reason you might have been thinking 2 lane was because of the awesome landscaping that can be done on a large 2 lane table, such as Peacefield Raceway. That track is what gave me pause about going 4 lane. But, the landscaping is a big unknown to me, so I made the decision to stick with a 4 lane with room for some landscaping practice, and maybe the 2 lane will be my future track.

As for Orange Raceway, I have been working on it, but not much to show yet for all the work since my last update. I can actually race on it now, which is good, and after a year plus of this hobby, my wife actually raced a car for just the first time this past weekend. She is far from hooked, but I could tell from her "I'm winning!" laughs and her "Noooo" deslots that she was having fun, and has a slightly better understanding of the hobby.

Best wishes to ya!
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Thanks guys. Went through a similar situation in '98 that turned out to be a blessing in disguise. As Jeff pointed out, it sometimes does, so we'll see. I really appreciate the kind words of support. What a great bunch here. And valongi, congrats on the new gig last month

Jeff, as you pointed out, the idea of a 2-laner also made me think of the potential for doing some scenery. I prefer that word over landscaping because honestly, not sure I want to go as serious as Peacefield. Must be the "Dover" in me. There's nothing pretty about the place, but I love being there all the same. Peacefield on the other hand is a work of art. I'd be happy to start with a decent looking pit road and the 4-lane Clubman sort of presents challenges in that regard.

I have the extra track pieces I need being shipped to me to try out my 2-lane ideas. They're going via DHL through Wilmington OHIO right now (wrong state!!) but I should have everything set up to test this weekend. A lot of my final decision may very well rest in how much or little I like the 2-lane plans I'm trying out. I haven't totally abandoned or committed to any ideas yet.

BTW, Jeff, do you have a Tracker plan for the 130 foot 2-lane course you put together? My eyes popped when I saw that number and I am intrigued by what that looked like.

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