Well Guys Figured I Would Start A New Thread On These Kick A$$ Batteries. Like To Get All The Team Drivers To Post And Anyone Else Who Runs Them Or Has Questions About Them. And I'm Sure John Malin Will Hop In And Help Answer Any Questions That We Can't.

Brad Sousa Fusion Power Team Driver

u got ???'s I got answers


John Malin
Fusion Team manager

heres a question John how come you guys do not put shrink on each individual cell? i've heard it causes unneccisary heat build up for the cells by trapping the heat in. i seen it on another thread somewhere with no answer yet so i figured i'de ask. juat curious.

Brad

The pictures on their website show .90 cut offs. Can anyone dissagree with the fact that it is misleading?

I currently run fusion batts and have been satisfied their customer service and battery performance.

first we are trying to let heat escape from the cell so a third layer of plastic to hold heat in is the last thing we want. As for the ad artwork it is a year old and needs to be updated. I kinda agree that it can be misleading. I HAVE ALREADY SPOKE TO THE OWNER AND NEW PRODUCT SHOTS ARE INTHE WORKS. uNFORTUNATELY WITH THE LEAD TIME ON art for publication it wont possible get the update until the February issue at the earliest.

john

John... good product, excellent support, and the stuff runs great. I do have a question, what is your take on rematching stuff? Running stock and 19 turn, we dead short everythign to get the voltage up, and it dies help. Packs generally seem to last quite a while for this type of racing too, what is your feelings on rezapping and rematching? Some people say yes, some say no... what's your take on it? I guess the question is do these cells take a rezapping well, or has the lost runtime with use just killed the entire rematching process? I'm curious as to what I should do as stuff gets up there in age but still runs good.....

John my question is a bit of an easy 1,why not put the labels under the shrink wrap?

Jason Rematching will extend the life of your packs some but I will not make up for lost runtime. That is a quirk of the gp cell they still havent figured out yet. Nothing is better than fresh packs. I would sell your old suff of and use that to off set the cost of new stuff.

Craig we dont add the extra shrink as we are trying to keep the bateries from overheating in the first place. I have heard of smoe people putting clear shipping tape over the labels to protect them.

John

Any way to make the shrink wrap an option when buying?

I mainly run stock off-road and I never really thought about the heat factor of the heat shrink on the cells. Make sense not to do it.
And I have a couple questions.
1.Do you recommend dead-shorting for voltage?
2.How do the team drivers store their batteries when it may be a couple weeks before using again?

Thanks.

i only run oval but i highly reccomend dead shorting the packs especially running in a stock or 19 turn class. it brings the avg. voltage up and keeps in the i.r. down. although alot of matchers will not reccomend it it does work all my stuff is dead shorted. battery companies just don't wanna be liable if something goes wrong or is not done properly which you can't blame them. and even if you don't run the packs for months it keeps them stable and does not hurt them. this is my experience with batteries and speak for my self i'm sure there is others that can give you some input too but dead shorting does work. hope this helps.

Brad Sousa

Brad hit the nail on the head no matcher wants the liability of telling people to short their cells. I do know that if you dont need every second of runtime that there are performance gains to be had by doing that.

John

Thanks guys, that was just what I wanted to know.
I visit my LHS to buy packs that they have. and while they are good packs, I don't feel they are State, Regional or National quality packs. I have been thinking about Fusion for quite a while and will purchase some after the first of the year. Racing around here is kind of slow right now with the cooler weather and all.
Thanks again.

Tommy

I am fairly new to the team as I just got sponsored about 3 weeks ago.. but I can tell you this.. the batteries has been very good to me.. as for the dead shorting.. I do it for oval racing as it does give you a little more voltage.. but I tried it for offroad.. I don't see any difference.. so I just do it for my 4-cell racing only.. as for the numbers on the cells..I have my own matcher and I have (2) 6 cell packs I have had almost 1yr.. and the numbers were still very close to when they were new..It depends how you take care of your cells and how you charge them.. so John keep up the good work!! peace out!! :thumbsup:

How long can you leave your packs dead shorted? If you don't use them every week?

usually if they are going to sit for longer then 3 weeks, i would cycle them the third week... as for weekly racing, leave them dead shorted until you are going to charge them.... IT IS KEY THAT ONCE YOU START YOU DO NOT STOP..... if you dont do it the same way every time, yu will ose performance... if your packs are dead shorted, never leave them not shorted for storage.. if you put a second charge on them with out a dead short your voltage will drop, and you IR will go up... this seems to be a problem with re matching dead shorted packs... you have to disasemble them and leave them not shorted... this will effect the numbers...

keys to dead shorting... have a proper discharge tray... i will not dead short a pack until it is down to .03 volts for a 4 cell pack... if you do it higher and get a spark, it will smoke the pack... get a volt meter to check the voltage..

keep the battery in the tray.. do not take it out of the tray before you dead short.. you must dead short it when it is still in the tray...if you take it out the voltage will spike and cause damage...
another good thing to do is use very thin solder to dead short.. wrap it wround the pos and neg tight ... if the pack has to much voltage in it, the solder will act as a fuse and break apart saving the pack...

fopr best results use the same system every time...i also use the peak lockout feature on my charger.. some dead shorted pack will false peak if you dont use it...

burbs is correct

Ummmm........re-read these two comments from your post.

keys to dead shorting... have a proper discharge tray... i will not dead short a pack until it is down to .03 volts for a 4 cell pack... if you do it higher and get a spark, it will smoke the pack... get a volt meter to check the voltage..and

another good thing to do is use very thin solder to dead short.. wrap it wround the pos and neg tight ... if the pack has to much voltage in it, the solder will act as a fuse and break apart saving the pack...Now if I'm reading things right here, you can't have it both ways. :) From the first quote, your pack is going to be toast before that solder melts. I'm not into the whole dead shorting thing myself. If you ask me, all you are seeing is from the pack starting a charge at a lower voltage so it takes a better charge, hence showing a better discharge. You can get the same thing by putting the pack on a tray before charging. Just my opinion though...........

I have been using a 1156 light bulb with two alligator clips soidered(sp) on. I put it on after I've discharged the pack down to 5.4 volts. After a couple months of doing this I've noticed when I cycled them the voltage has come up. I've noticed a big gain on the oval track, but not that much on the off-road.

WHY?

I thought the lower IR, the more punch a pack has.
Is this not right.

Tommy

You probably won't see the difference in offroad.. more voltage is just more wheelspin.

as long as you want to. just cycel them 3 days befor you use them if thy been dead shorted over months

Hey John,

Just curious....you guys still looking for drivers to be added to your team?? Wanna know if I should send in my application, or just keep it in my pocket for awhile.......Read all the posts on here.....everyone has their opinion, but here is the kicker. I have been racing for almost 16 years, and have had only one battery matcher in that time span call me personally to make it right with me. I got two free packs from him to make up for it, and it is just to bad he is no longer in business.....

Point is gentlemen, for me as a racer looking to get stuff from someone, that kind of service means something to me!!!!! John, I'd like to be a part of this team anytime!!!!!!



Kris Fowler

Chris we are still taking application via our web site. I will say this though we will not be adding anyone until late january at the earliest. we recently added a lot of drivers and are now in the process of finding out who is worth their salt.

John

I am a partial sponsored driver for Fusion. I can not say enough about how John has helped me with my battery game. Currently I run 4 cell stock oval regular at 2 different tracks 3 hours apart and am very serious about my batteries. I have tried to talk to many different battery matchers SMC, Pro-Match, Reedy ect. and they would not give me the time of day, let alone how I should properly charge, discharge and maintain my packs. I have talked with John 3 times on the phone and everytime we spoke for over 20 minutes. I know he is very busy back at the "factory" but taking the time to inform me of proper battery maintenance is what I was looking. So what I am trying to tell everyone is if you are looking for an excellent product and support give FUSION a TRY!!! I am also looking forward to running these cells in the T4 this spring on our outdoor dirt track!

Matt Kivi

Fusion is for real, they took the TQ and win this weekend at the winter warm up @ maxumis raceway in York Maine. thanks John, stuff runs great.

Jason that was a strong run for sure good job man. i also took a strong 3rd in the a main that jason won. and i had a little misfortune in stock went just about a lap down to the whole field on the first lap and came back to finish a strong 2nd only a half a straight away. well thanks john for these killer batteries i was still running 1 year old dead shorted stuff with 1.172 for voltage. maybe i could have used some 1.18 stuff? lol.

Brad Sousa

I have 2 packs that I've ran about 10 times but I've never dead shorted them. Is it too late to dead short them and get performance back?

I don't think so. That is about the time I started dead shorting my packs(after around 10 runs) and have noticed the voltage go up. Just remember you are trading higher voltage will short run time. I still have plenty of zip and capacity left in my packs after a 5 minute run in stock 4 cell pan car. Just remember to be careful when dead shorting or you could get hurt. Use a voltmeter to double check that the pack is dead. I use the solder wrap method described earlier in this thread. That way if something does go wrong the solder will melt and act like a fuse.

for those looking .... we now have a decent supply of 1.18's in stock. If need good batteries for the birds get them now. At least now we know what we have. We may not have as good of cells by then. so get the word out.

John

wooohooo.. I just got mine 1.18's yesterday.. Thanks John for the great service.. just in time for the big race on New Years Day at New castle :thumbsup:

Hey guys lets stay on page one please. Also please pass the word that all of the team drivers are expected to show up online once in while. Here or elsewhere.

thanks
John

have hot cells by fusion to get me going we'll see how this week goes.i plan on spending all day friday at k/n to get ready for the blast.john Marsh


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John, I'm not sure if K/N is open this Friday, being that it's new years and all. I think that he is open from 10 to 10 on Saturday, and sunday normal schedule. I'd give Chad a call, just to make sure, I could be wrong.

If you need a hand with anything, let me know.

thanks jason ,i had a couple of decent runs 2 weeks ago.let me know if you can about friday if chads open or not.

these FUSION packs are coming off with more then enough run time and have the punch i'm looking for.all i need to do is work on driving and motors a bit more.wish we used the batts when we ran 19T they kick butt.John,Jeff and the rest of the fusion people keep up the great work.John Marsh :thumbsup:


jason you going friday?

Not sure John, I want to, just a matter of if I have time or not. I'll definately be up Saturday and Sunday though, I have a project that I have to start working on for someone, I should have it Saturday to get started on.

I just wanted to post some results I had in december at Custom Works Dirt Oval Nationals. I am a team driver and was very impressed with how the batteries stood up. Not once did I come close to dumping in any of my races. After poor qualifying with wrecks in EDM mod gearbox with my Kranzels terminator I won the 'F' main by 3 laps and in the 'E' main I led most of the race and was passed with only 4 laps to go to finish second. In the 'D' main I finished 3rd in a strong field and was catching 2nd but ran out of time. Later in the day a driver used my terminator in stock for the 'B' main with my fusion battery to finish 3rd.

In my other two classes, nitro EDM terminator gearbox and nitro terminator Sprintcar I qualified very well and was in the two 'B' mains. Thanx to my two new Fusion receiver packs I had the battery power to make it through qualifying and practicing without needing to recharge the packs. I peaked them for the 'B' mains were I finished 5th in sprint and 6th in the EDM. In the sprint I was running second only to have the exhaust pipe come off. I had a blast and look forward to next year.

Also on a note my friend Andy Shell was using Fusion batteries all weekend and qualified for what I believe to be 4 'A' mains. I know for sure he made it in stock and modifed truck, nitro edm gearbox, and electric modifed sprint.

I look forward to testing these batteries out at my home track once a few more modifed tc3 drivers start coming to the track. Thanx for the great products.....Jesse Murphy

i run at Branford R/C Speedway branford fla. 320 ft banked concrete tri-oval. i use dead shorted 1.18 fusion packs in 4cell 5 min. heats have 137 to 150 sec left after good runs. love these batteries.

Just wanted to let everyone know that I TQ'd and then took 3rd in the A-Main(due to a wreck at the start) at a trophy race this weekend up here in Northern Michigan at Thunder Valley Hobbies. I love my Fusion packs.....they keep going and going and going!!!

Matt Kivi

Cumon now Matt, what was up with that wreck man, the dude said go and you didn't go!!!!!!!!! Must have been those race director in the "A" main jitters............................LOL you did good Matt, You've come a long way in a short amount of Oval racing time, I'm wondering how much these batts had to do with it, I might just have to try some.

See you Sat. and we can do it all over again, Joel

getting primed for 4 cell stock and 19T at k/n's winterblast and will be loaded up with fusion power to get to the front. John :thumbsup:

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Hey Joel....I can't bite the hand that feeds me....but I do like my Fusion packs alot. Where did you get those 60 laps from? Man that was a good run. But hay, dead last to third....I don't think that's to bad. Lets see if we can catch up to Chuck this weekend in the Soo. I did alot of work to my car before that trophy race and I hope it holds up for your track.

Matt

i run at Branford R/C Speedway branford fla. 320 ft banked concrete tri-oval. i use dead shorted 1.18 fusion packs in 4cell 5 min. heats have 137 to 150 sec left after good runs. love these batteries.

Yea, Willis, you were flyin!

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work on it!!!! it should do a slow 58 then.:)

K/N winterblast" 05" had team driver Jason Lambert run a strong 2nd in the A-main as for team driver Craig Marsh my son he started 7th in the C-main and finished 2nd we may have overgeared in the main but having never run stock this was a plus for us .Fusion batteries gave us all the juice we needed had more then enough run time after every run.With 8 car mains and over 50+ entries in stock it was a blast!
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Hey john,
Alot of local guys here in Northern Michigan are now running Mini-T's and I was wondering.......Are the Mini-T packs as great as the rest of your batteries and if they are have you thought about making an 8 cell. I am Already A Partial sponsered driver and know your 4 cell packs run like no other but i figured id give you an idea to ponder. Thanks for making a great battery and hope to hear back from you on that.
Dave Bower

Thanks for the prope John. I ended up qualifying 2nd and finishing 2nd in both stock and 19 turn, myself and the bat both running 60 lap runs in the 19 turn main.. with 8 cars on the track. It was close too, he ran a 4:02.47, and I ran a 4:03.89. he got thru some of the lap traffic a little better than I did, and got a little distance, and I just couldn't make it up. Made a last minute chassis change, helped, but I went a little too far with it. Live and learn. The Fusion voltage was a definately a big help.. couldn't have done it without it.

wish we could;ve made it back we love 19T but got snowed in and my in-laws really needed my help getting them cleaned out of the snow great people they are so they had to come first.Glad to see you had a great weekend.we;ll be back at it VERY soon.John

I'm gonna take a couple weeks off, then it's off to Fairrield Maine for the Cabin fever race. Usually a really good turnout there for that, gonna go lay some Fusion Voltage on that track, hopefully take home a win or 2.. the bat won't be in his home belfry there, should make things a little easier.