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What I think:
I'd love a flat pan chassis car that was sized to work with Legends bodies and had no rear suspenion but did use an AE front end.

Why:
> I imagine it would be fairly cheap to build.
> It would have a low parts count.
> It would have some tuning options up front, so new racers could learn to tune and more experienced racers would still have something they could tinker with.
> A flat plate car with an AE front must be more durable than the old Legends chassis.
> I think the Legends bodies were very cool and appealed to a lot of people.

what about the sk modifieds they run in the northeast. From what Ive seen there a lil more technical than a legend but not quite like a pan car.

Plus they just look kool!

In the late 80's they made a car just like what you are asking for, it was the PR-7.

It used the assoc old style front end and the rear axle mount form the Assoc 10l, it used a rectangle fiberglass chassis with a large rectangle cutout in the middle. The same thing could be done today, would make a great beginner/low cost car.

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For my future track there could be a group running old-style RC10 cars from SS to L2,parts are still available and can use actual front end, guys would almost give these cars. 1/18 cars are also a good option especially when talking about a short track.

Stephane Courchesne

Unfortunatly we have had no luck in a cheaper class to run. We had an IROC class everybody used 10L3 chassis ,TRC spec tires, 540 closed endbell motor stick packs and no wing with no rear cut out on the rear bumper min wt was 45oz. Every time we tried this everybody wanted to use regular stock motors different tires regualr batteries and ruined it. We have only 2 pan car classes Busch or Nascar the only difference is how many laps a driver can make to bump up.

The track I do most of my racing at has a class called breakout. It's the same as stock except you cannot exceed a certain lap time. For instance, say a good stock lap time is 5.5. Set the breakout time to 6.0. Any laps a racer turns faster than 6.0 are disallowed. Most people use the usual stock stuff, so you can learn chassis tuning and like that. Actually you can run any darn thing you want as long as you don't run faster than 6.0! You can use the usual stuff except you don't need the leading edge equipment to run.

Were not ready to replace our Legend class yet in Mt. Pleasant, MI. Our last race at the Jr. High we had 18 Legends in 3 heats. We are still hoping that kits, bodys, and parts will soon be available. I know about spec racing and parts on e-bay but they are always sold out of what you need. Maybe kits and parts will be available soon.

We also had 12 spec pan cars in 2 heats at our last race. Our spec pan car class is:
stock motor, spec tires, nascar body w/no wing, and 4 cell spec pack. JB

the s/k modifieds come 2 ways, with a fiberglass or graphite chassis use the assoc frontends and are cheap compared to the reegular car kits

mbeach2k, I really can't understand why someone has not done just what you said. A fiberglass "pan" chassis, no rear suspension and cut to take an Associated front end, even if it is not provided with the "kit". A Chassis Co. has to buy a LOT of frontend kits to get a deal so sometimes it's easier to just let the racer buy it. But that's no big deal.


I'm not sure how the supply is for Legends bodies, they may be dwindling too so another body my have to come into play but it's a shame that these racers have been promised this and that for so long and are still left in the cold.

Guys; I have an idea. Now, remember, I'm an idea guy. I have ten new ideas a day; every day. The only problem is, eight of them are really *bad* ideas. Still, two good ideas a day is pretty good, don't you think? I just wish I could learn to tell the good ideas from the bad one's. <G>

You're all talking about some cheap, relatively low tech, pan car to use as a "beginner" class. Well, that was done a long time ago. It's a pan car, it doesn't use side shocks, it takes the Associated front end, and it's pretty rugged. And, its cheap AND freely available! It's called an Associated L2 Oval chassis!

There are a bunch of them out there, and they're dirt cheap. Without the side shocks, they don't take a lot of time or money to maintain. Use a Spec motor and battery pack, with Spec tires, and you'd have a really inexpensive racing class, that still gives a new racer a car he can "tune" to go faster.

Why try to re-invent the wheel; when there are plenty of cheap wheels lying around unused? Just MHO. Thanks; Ernie P. :cool:

At the track that I race at during the summer, by the way its in Iowa City, Iowa, Our Sportsmen class is:

Any pan car chassis
trinity spec motor
trinity spec tires
trinity spec 4 cell batteries
No wings and no cut out rear end on the body with only a 1" spoiler.

It was our biggest class every week and it seemed like more people are talking about it for next year. The class was also close and competitive

Yessssssss...The L2.......My first RC racing car. Just don't know if its still widely available through Associated but a refreshed version would be a good idea.

And of course if some people would run regular stock class I'll let them do so. At the very least give an option for less experienced, low-budget guys and gals enjoy RC racing, not compete.

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As someone who's raced Legends off and on since 1996, I think it BITES that no one has really DELIVERED on keeping this class alive!

Having said that, I think the SK modifieds come close to capturing the idea of Legends in a different look... But that makes for questions too...
* Where is there a web site to find SK Modified info/kits, etc...?
* Where are there published rules for SK Modifieds...?

It is hard to take them too seriously without some sort of support structure on the web. Without solid, PUBLISHED rules, the class drifts -- one of the strengths of Legends was that the rules were published and held consistent anywhere you went...

As a track owner, I use an old Associated 10 L2 Oval chassis as my track "demonstrator", for adults. I have a stock Mini-T for kids. If a new, interested body walks through the door, I want to put a transmitter in their hand and let them try it out!

Every time I find a cheap L2 chassis for sale, I'm going to buy it; set it up with an older ESC (i.e., a CHEAP ESC); SPEC motor, batteries and tires; drag one of the older and unused transmitters out of the junk box; match it up with an old, clunky receiver; and put the thing together. Then, I'll sell it to the next interested party that walks through the door, for exactly how much I have invested in it.

A local racer has volunteered to run beginner level classes on an off night. I'll encourage the new guy to attend the classes, and run the wheels off the thing. If he breaks it, I'll help him fix it. Then, when he's ready to move up to something better and faster, I'll buy it back from him; fix it up again; and sell it to the next guy.

We don't necessarily need a new Legends Class. We need a CHEAP class. Something that makes it easy for a new guy to get started. The best way to do that is to utilize some of the USED stuff out there, that is sitting in the bottom of some racers box.

It might not work; but I'm going to try it. Thanks; Ernie P. :cool:

Ernie P., that sounds like a great plan and it should serve your track well, but I believe Legends is more than just a beginner class. It is absolutely great for new, less experienced racers but it is also a fantastic class for veteran racers looking for something they don't have to spend a lot of time and money on. Plus, the Legends bodies look very cool and appeal to a lot of people.

I wasn't a big fan of the old Legends chassis for two main reasons: it broke easy and almost nothing learned running it carried over to a pan car. That's why I think a super-simple flat pan car would be the best replacement--AE front end with no rear suspension. AE would have most of the parts you need—pod plates, axles, front end, etc. Someone would just have to cut a chassis.

Well, obviously the best thing would be for some one to start producing the Legends replacement parts. Failing that, a replacement chassis, that would still fit the Legends bodies, would be good. As you and others have said, the Legends Class occupies kind of a unique spot in RC racing.

I'm a bit baffled as to why some one hasn't stepped up to make the parts. It can't be that hard; the market is already there; and they certainly wouldn't have to worry about the chassis and parts going out of date before next year! Thanks; Ernie P. :cool:

Hmmm... So... NO ONE has any info on the SK Modified's...? :(

Hmmm... So... NO ONE has any info on the SK Modified's...? :(
Tom contact Chad at K/N Speedway at 860 684 7538 he can set you up with the info you need

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To the right you can click on RC Spec Racing. There you will find the parts.

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You should go back to the rc spec racing link.

Go to the products link and click on one of the catagories, they do have alot of parts available now.
Both style of bodies are available as well as some of the chassis components,rear axles, 81 t spur gears.
go back and try it again.

Where's the link? I think I missed something...Shrug??

steve rule is still making and selling legends parts/... he should have every part you guys need... email hobbyorders@aol.com i talked to him a while back, and he said he should have everything u guys need.. the prices are cheaper then before.. and are the same quality legends parts they always have been..they should also be cheaper then the rc spec racing page...

Hello,

Guys I'm with a new shop and track in cincinnati and we've had several people asking about the legends cars for a class. Until looking at this thread I thought parts were unavailable and therefore never even considered the idea. I've looked at the rc spec racing link but I can't seem to find an e-mail or phone for whoever is in charge. I'm also e-mailing Steve Rule as soon as I finish typing. If any of you have any info please let me know.

Ryan

I have found the perfect Legands replacement.... Team SpeedMerchants Street spec chassis. This thing is a rocket with trinity spec motor and 4 cell stick pack. Im racing it in this years winterblast at K&N speedway In CT. They have a spec class and this is a spec chassis. Check out the car www.teamspeedmerchant.com (http://www.teamspeedmerchant.com) Not to mention the car comes mostly preassembled for around $170.

Tom contact Chad at K/N Speedway at 860 684 7538 he can set you up with the info you need
The number has changed to 860-508-3815
Rick<><

I have found the perfect Legands replacement.... Team SpeedMerchants Street spec chassis. This thing is a rocket with trinity spec motor and 4 cell stick pack. Im racing it in this years winterblast at K&N speedway In CT. They have a spec class and this is a spec chassis. Check out the car www.teamspeedmerchant.com (http://www.teamspeedmerchant.com/) Not to mention the car comes mostly preassembled for around $170.

You may be on to something here......spread the word!

That SpeedMerchant car is pretty cool!

chad :cool:

I'm working on getting in touch with the owner, and see what he thinks of the plan. This car is really a good deal. my first race out with five cars four legands, the speedmerchant TQ'd 4 laps over 2nd place. Got a DNF in the main due improper gearmesh, stripped the spur. Dummie.........but it was a fun day of racing.

I run SK modifieds. These cars are more like 12th scale. The chassis are made by a local here in CT and are solid chassis. They mostly run up at R/C madness and my hometown Montville CT but we do 4 cell when madness does 6 cell. Guys are running the xcalibur chassis up at K/N from what I was told. Bodys were made by bolink but have since been out of production but I was told someone else has picked up bolinks line of bodys and parts. My local hobby shop has made a mold of a SK body and sent it off to be produced. Car realy consists of-10l front end, rear pods,and a associated battery box. Very cheap-chassis 20-front end-30 or already have it,pods set-already have or about 30,battery box $5,body$20, depending on if you have a 10l you could build a car real cheap and start a spec class. I can send pics or info on anything for anyone, just pm me or email me kerttula@sbcglobal.net
Ken K

In the late 80's they made a car just like what you are asking for, it was the PR-7.

Whatever happened to the PR-7? That car was *wicked* quick at the Whip, over in Vero, Sebastian, Ft. Pierce, and Cocoa. Saw that thing run on MANY weekends in '88, '89, and '90.

UPDATE!!!!!! This team speedmerchant chassis pulled it off at the Winterblast at K&N Speedway in CT. Took TQ and win of the street spec class with 44laps. I still got more work to do the track record is 48laps So i have to find 4 more laps. I started with 42laps, So I'm heading in the right direction......

I'm working on getting in touch with the owner, and see what he thinks of the plan. This car is really a good deal. my first race out with five cars four legands, the speedmerchant TQ'd 4 laps over 2nd place. Got a DNF in the main due improper gearmesh, stripped the spur. Dummie.........but it was a fun day of racing.

You raced this car against four Bolink Legends cars and only beat them by 4 laps? There's no comparison between the two. Doesn't make sense they a Legends car and this car should even be in the same class no matter what you call it. A fully suspended car versus the Legends fixed suspension, no shock, no t-plate. Come on, that's like shooting fish in a barrel.

That's your opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S A SPEC CHASSIS! Besides go to your local hobbyshop and buy whatever you need for a bolink. It's not gonna happen. They are outdated. It's time for a change. I'm just simply keeping people informed on what I've found as a BOLINK replacment.

They can call it a spec chassis and that's fine. But to race it against a Legends car is like entering your street car in a Nascar race. Gee, wonder who's gonna beat who?

I can't see that as being a replacement for the Legends car. Sorry.

NO NEED FOR A REPLACEMENT the brand new ones will be in the hobbyshop with in a week or two. Just got off the phone with LHS owner and he told me he is getting his fresh brand new one in a week or so.......... THe company that makes them is ready to start shipping. Never fear LEGENDS ARE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are they going to sale for?

What's the company name/website?

Greenville RC Speedway adn RJ Erich both that I know of right now