Well, I expect to hear back from PRP today some time. I hope they can rush those parts out. I got much of the rest done over the weekend but I killed my link jig :cry: . It isn't much but it worked! It is a 3/8" thick slab of aluminum with a 1/4" hole drilled through it. I then cut a slot to the hole and tapped it for a 4-40 bolt. I slide the link in and clamp it down so I can hold it in the drill press. Worked great until I twisted off the darn bolt. I will bring it in and repeat...

Looks like about an 11.2" wheelbase right now. I will have to see for sure when I get all the links on. I did find that a Proline F-150 Pede body would fit but the bod posts would be out at the corners of the body. Not great looking or strong. The El Camino should look AWESOME though!

Gearing question for one and all. The pede tranny, the 272, has a 2.72 gear reduction. From there, on a Pede, one turn of the diff outdrive turns the rear wheels once. Right? On the TLT, the diff outdrive turns three times to turn the wheels once because of the front and rear diffs. My question: Can I get this puppy geared high enough for Pede-like speeds? Seems to me I would need to increase the gearing 3X! That is pretty tall. I suspect I can do it with touring car spurs and pinions but I want to stay at 48 pitch for strength. Does anybody know what the smallest spur and largest pinions would be? I have a 78/23 right now but that is only half way to the goal.

Hope all had a grand weekend. The Christmas insanity is setting in around here. At least the island of serenity known as work still exists! :freak:

Does anybody know what the smallest spur and largest pinions would be? I have a 78/23 right now but that is only half way to the goal.
Smallest 48 pitch spur I've seen is a 72 I believe. Pinions can go up into the low 30s. You just need to keep in mind how much adjusting room you have on the motor plate to accomodate what gears.

Yeah well, I guess I will have to wait until I get the tranny built to find THAT out. The smaller the spur the larger the pinion to a certain extent I guess. The Pinion will grow much faster than the spur will shrink.

Smallest 48 pitch spur I've seen is a 72 I believe. Pinions can go up into the low 30s. You just need to keep in mind how much adjusting room you have on the motor plate to accomodate what gears.Robinson racing products makes a 70 tooth 48pitch spur for the TC3 that will work, That I believe is the smallest.

Well, most of the truck is together! I still need at least one different shock. I have one of a set of four that is junk but it looks OK for the first photos. The PRP went together pretty darn well once I had all the parts. I don't have the tranny in at the moment, still deciding on a motor. It will be geared for speed initially. It is pretty narrow but with the same wheelbase as the Pede. I suspect it will be very tippy! :lol:

I put up a cople shots on the Stampede page for now. This wont be the lid I run, it just happened to sort of fit, squeezed over the chassis. I took lots of other shots and will try to get something written up. Need to figure out a way to post it on the web... Like I need more things to do right now...

Here we go! Finally go some shots up on the web with lots more to follow!

http://home.comcast.net/~c.t.harris/TLT_2.jpg

At this point, all I need to do is drop in a motor in the tranny and then four bolts to put that in place! I am still at that point... Maybe tonight!


And here is one with my old Clod lid- which wont work- too small :cry:
http://home.comcast.net/~c.t.harris/TLT_1.jpg

chris it looks good.

over at one18th there are some links and pics of plays_with_toys chassis in the proto type stage, and a link to pics for the rockraoder tlt chassis with emial info from the creator.

http://www.one18th.com/forums/showthread.php?p=114747#post114747

Chris-
Is the batter holder hinged at the top or something? I cant see how you could fit it in if it wasnt. also, how much articulation do you get with that setup?

Both sides of the battery holder are hinged. You loosen the bolt and they swing up out of the way.

Just finished the write-up on the build. Couldn't get it to open as a webpage but I have it so you can download it here (http://home.comcast.net/~c.t.harris/TLT/PRP_TLT_conv_kit.doc) . I will warn you- it is long! At least as a download you can walk away. :lol:

I'd appreciate any comments!

I could not get it to come up Chris. Got the page but not your info.

phooey. I will try again. I will send it to you directly though.

Try it again.

1.6 MB? heh, not on my net connection. I'll download it tonight while I'm watchin TV


edit- read it. Good job! truckloads better then what I could have done (I can read instructions, not write them)

Thanks! I did warn ya about the size! :D And that was with the pix all web sized!

Your link worked for me Chris, I like the review. I'm real suprised you didn't put a locked Pede diff in it from the get go! As for the fuel tubing battery cushion not staying on, "shoe goo" or "automotive goop" is your friend!

LOL! Tom, that was a complete brainfart! I had one in the other TLT project that is stuffed with ultra thick stuff and I just grabbed the wrong one! I had two Pede trannies, and I dissected the wrong one. :rolleyes: The frustrating thing is that to pull the diff and swap it is as non-trivial as pulling the tranny. I think I will take off the outdrives and leave them behind. They have to come off anyway! I think that should make it easier. We have snow now so I wont get much chance to drive it for a little while at least.

hmm. I might actually be able to pull the diff with everything in place! Drop one axle maybe. Just need to find the time.

Here is a pic of that chassis Plays_with_toys is making. one, maybe two screws to swap battery and four screws to pull the pede tranny out. ::drool::

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/7808/img05787fm.jpg

edit. here is closeup.. http://img139.exs.cx/img139/9716/img05816ss.jpg

drool indeed! I wonder what that looks like with a lid on it, and what lid he runs. The front and rear posts seem real close together for a full size lid.

Very clean design with the weight real low! Nice. Interesting how he has the motor runing towards the batery. I would have thought he would go the other way to move some weight forward.

he runs a cut f-150 body on it.

it is a solid tenth scale rig with that chassis, but you can go longer too.

i will let you know when i get mine.
rccrawler.com in the small crawler section has more pics and over at rcmt.net ;)

i will let you know when i get mine. can you remind me when he starts selling them? I go onto RCCF every day it seems but allways forget to check that thread.

edit- chris, the battery is mounted in the front.

i will.
i should be getting a proto type. so i hope soon....

Yeah, I found his post on RCMT. Very nice. It gives me all sorts of ideas!

Smoe, you asked about articulation on my PRP? With the shocks in their low position there I get a wheel about 4" up. Not a lot. Raising the chassis should increase that quite a bit. You do run into the outside plates of the chassis though.

i will.
i should be getting a proto type. so i hope soon....
I think he said early January (not sure). I was hopeing to have my TLT crawling again by the 25th because the 26th I'm going up the to mountains where my grandparents live. Rock and steep incline galore!

my plays with toys chassis should ship monday. i will be doing a build up and test thread over at one18th.com

just a fyi for those who are interested.

peter
:)

So, you will have it built by Tuesday, right? Waiting...

I have (for the moment) decided that my PRP chassised TLT will indeed be a crawler. I plan to buy another TLT and make it into a stretched basher beast using the stock tranny but with a custom chassis. I like PWT's chassis but I think I can come up with something that will be a better basher. The TLT tranny only has a 2.13 gear reduction as compared to the Pede tranny at 2.72. In theory that allows a 27% higher gearing right there and that should add some zip! right now, with my 14 turn motor I am sure I am way under geared. It is not like I was puling wheelies. No, I can't say that! I have no idea what it will do since it has been snowy since I locked that sily center diff. I had lousy acceleration and speed with it open as the front end would lift a bit and one tire would balloon. I think I need to go and try that as the road is dry right now! :wave:

OK, that is just the tippiest little thing I have ever flipped reatedly! :) That is what bodies are for, right?

It is quicker off the line, for sure. I dont think the top end is any different. Interesting though is the hard pull to the left when braking and even when off throttle. It runs straight but then veers when you back off. No idea what that is about. yet. Without a doubt the M2Ks do not help on the pavement in front of my house. Even Pedes flip there if threated rashly.

Again, I think a crawler for sure. Need to paint the El Camino!

sounds like fun!

i am having a hard tiem waiting for the pwt chassis. and my truck is just the axles and links sitting on my hobby table. my chassis and 7 cell batt i s at a friends getting sanded and sealed and the batt recomfiged. going for 4 cells in ront in square and three in the back shaped like a triangle. to help with climbing and bashing.

have new stick pack to put a new commector on and run the mini cooper and staduim trucks!

Well, got paint on the El Camino last night. I hate whomever made that lid! I must have gotten it cheap to go away from Proline! I remember wanting the El Camino but it has been so long I don't remember whose it was. Parma, perhaps. No overspray, thin lexan, mold stains everywhere so the windows look lousy. I need to touch up a couple places where the paint didn't stick either! And I did the full stnadard prep. who knows. It WILL look really sweet though. I wanted to give it a day before I cut it out so I will post shots ont he chassis tonight.

I see now that the PWT will SHIP Monday. I guess there isn't much chance of a build by Tuesday. still waiting Peter... ;)

i will let everyone know when i get it. going to round up al lmy parts today, and have to switch rear axles with scott's truck. broke the mounts on the axles for the rear steering lock out....i only know of the el camino made by hpi?? i hate bodies like that!

Here's a shot of the El Camino lid in it's present state.
http://home.comcast.net/~c.t.harris/TLT/TLTCamino1.jpg

Jess thinks I should have a firetruck theme. Wonder why... :p

As you can see, it is sitting on the body posts and it already doesn't have room to flex. I either have to put larger posts on (easy enough, I guess), or hack at those tiny little wheel wells until they behave!

Oh, and it isn't a jeep! That is a good thing! (but it is a Parma).

i say cut it uP!

lol

i forgot about that el camino by parma.

I was thinking of doubling the wheelwell size and losing the bumpers for starters! Oh, I guess I will have to put some body post holes in too. :rolleyes:

I was thinking it was a Parma El Camino when you said no protective film. I think I like HPI's El Camino better, maybe because theirs is an older model, yours looks like a late 70's early 80's version.

I would enlarge the wheel openings for sure, unsure about the bumpers because you got them the same color. Cut the wheel wells & body posts & go from there, you may have to cut the front bumper for wheel travel if you make this a crawler, the rear should be fine.

I think that when I ordered it I expected the HPI, older model. I was less than impressed with the squared off look of this one. I like the old more rounded ones.

I will hack and post! I started playing with photoshop late last night to see what it would look like and ended up getting to bed way later than planned!

The trouble, as with the Pede is the width of the body. It over hangs the wheels so you really need to clear it. As a crawler though, a bit of rub wont kill me. Heck, the wheels rub the chassis as it is.

How about this?
http://home.comcast.net/~c.t.harris/TLT/TLTCamino2.jpg

Looks good Chris! Now go out and give it some rock rash!

much nicer now!

Come on guys. You need more sleep! Don't you recognize Photoshop when you see it?

This is the real one. I promise!
http://home.comcast.net/~c.t.harris/TLT/TLTCamino3.jpg

I may still take a bit more off the rear as the tires still hit the back of the wheel well. The body isn't very well trimmed yet either.

I have no idea what is up with this body but the darn paint just isn't sticking. This was fun but it wont last long! My airbrush was acting up badly and that have had something to do with it.

:)

Looks pretty good Chris, but I would so the wheel openings more like your photoshopped one.

Not a bad photoshop either, but you cut off your front steering in it! :)

Front steering is for wimps! I was sure somebody would notice that. It was hidden by the pumper and I couldn't figure out (at midnight) how to duplicate what wasn't visable in the first place!

I will probably open the rear wells up some more. That was really just a first hack at it. You can actually see the marker line I put down as a guide at the back, I just didn't go quite that far. I thought the sloped up rear was too reminscent of the Proline F-150 Pede body. Might not care when i look at it again!

:)

you bum, you got me!

but the pwt chassis just got into my hands.
will start the build up after dinner, have to wait for the digital camera batts to charge.

well here are pics and a link tot he original rccrawler thread on the plays_with_toys TSC-10 chassis:

okay here we go with the pics.

the first is my tranny/shocks/axles
http://img35.exs.cx/img35/900/tsc100019fx.jpg

here is what was shipped
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/236/tsc100037ee.jpg

here is the colar that needs to be removed from the traxxas yoke
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/8484/tsc100067ti.jpg

here is how she is shapping up
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/4483/tsc100075rt.jpg

where i had to dremel a small amount of the tranny case for chassis clearance
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2627/tsc100081sw.jpg

http://img96.exs.cx/img96/3093/tsc100095pd.jpg
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/4848/tsc100111zh.jpg

getting there
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/4509/tsc100152wu.jpg

http://img96.exs.cx/img96/7414/tsc100176fo.jpg

http://img96.exs.cx/img96/7776/tsc100195nl.jpg
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2811/tsc100209dv.jpg
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2482/tsc100232ks.jpg

and that is about the jist of it all. even with this truck being the original proto type it wen together better then my monster tec CF chassis i have. the thickness of the chassis rail is nice. thick but not over kill.

first run pics report tomarrow noon-ish(my time ;))
http://rccrawler.com/postp49470.html#49470

Wow, that really was fast! Not much to it I guess when compared with the PRP with all it's dozens of pieces. There is a lot to say for K.I.S.S.

Look forward to seeing how it runs!

My ONLY comment? Ya should have polished up those side plates before you got started! :) :thumbsup:

Wow, that was quick! When I first opened the thread this morning and the pics started loading randomly I thought "Wow! Someones truck exploded!" :lol:

Looks good & I too will wait & hear about the 1st run.

The only thing I wondered about is the upper axle links, all the current trucks seem to have the link ends close together on the axle side and spread apart on the chassis side. The set up with that chassis looks backwards of that, like old school 4 link I had on my old Clod.

the top links are anged either at the axle or chassis, this setup is close to stock and i use a version of this on the other tlt-10 we have. it works well for what i do(for now).

this truck is the original proto and will be sent back :(

thanks for the comments!
:)

this truck is the original proto and will be sent back :(

:)
Huh? So you are building it but not keeping it? I don't understand.

Huh? So you are building it but not keeping it? I don't understand.
Ditto.

Ditto.

I will be getting one of the production units when finished. i am running the truck to give toys my opinion on the chassis. he is more of a crawler and i am more of a monster jam basher witha little rock crawling mixed in.
this is very simular in what i did for brion at penguin RC for the p2300 chassis. i have time, a digital camera, and i love to run my trucks and can have a unbiassed opinion.

Hello all,

I just got a TLT and all I can say is WoW these trucks are a blast to drive. I run a Novak Reactor esc with a Atomic Force 17x2 in it with 2.2 Orion Meathook tires on Ofna VERY DEEP wheels an it does alright bur I thought it would be faster. I was wandering if anyone has switched to 48 pitch gears? They should work right? Chris I have seen your TLT and it looks great, how does it perform? Robneck thats a sweet looking set up, I'm thinking about the tlt chassis from Toy, I would like to hear what you think of it. From what you posted our driving styles are alike bash/crawl. I posted a pic I hope it works.

Peter

nascarfan- Actually since I built the PRP there has been snow on the ground so I haven't gotten it out for more than romp or two. No crawling at all. Actually my axle diffs aren't locked yet so crawling will wait.

As I said earlier, it is still way tippy. :) I am running M2K tires and was on pavement where they have way too much traction. I suspect that on dirt where there is more slip it will handle really well.

There is no reason I can think of not to use regular 48 pitch gears. In fact, the tamiya gears ARE 48 pitch but with a slightly different angle I guess so they don't mesh really well.

When I ran my TLT down at Monster Jam last summer there were a couple guys there with >13 turn motors in them and they screamed! I was very impressed with their speed. And how well they drove them. Clearly much of my problem is that I suck driving. Too heavy a hand on the wheel.