What difference do you find between the EPIC 27 and EPIC 27H armatures? If I replace just the armature in a motor can I expect the same performance? What's your experience?

the motor willnot be as good as it was new.. reason being is the magnets lose some strenghth.. u can re zapp them, but they wont stay as strong as long....

not sure on the armature thing... if it is a replacement arm for that specific can. then it should be the same but diff tag.. if it is say a monster can with a green machine arm, then the motor is technically illegal.. its now a hybrid...

I think the 27H tag is the arm that comes in the handout motors, the tag is black if its the arm I'm thinking of. It's epoxy balanced, this way it's easy to tech, if there are any holes drilled in it, it's illegal.

Tommy's right. Burbs.. with the right zapper, magnets will return to their original state, and if they were not fully zapped when new, they will be better than new. It's just a matter of throwing enough gauss at the magnet to fully saturate it.

right....I'm not trying to make a hybrid. I am just wondering if there is any construction difference or is it just the tag on the handout versus conventional. Definitely understand the magnet deal...thanks fellas....

jason.. im not trying to disagree, im just going by my results...

i use to use m one magnet zapper.. it is in my opinion one of the best out... i also use the team one magnet meter to check before and after readings.. i also tested what a new motor reads/... u cannot zapp a magnet to be stronger then it is rated... if it is a g-5 magnet per say.. u can not zap it to read as a g-6... they wil only re take the rated magnetism... most of mine are 1-2 points off the original reading.. and after a few heated runs.. they fal right back off...

woah woah I didn't say a word about zapping magnets. I don't know much about it. I have easy access to a zapper but choose not to use it.

Also as far as the arms go, 27H "may" not be legal where you race other then in a handout race. The monster handout motors are not "roar" approved because of the epoxy balancing. Plattsburgh does not allow these motors for use because they are not legal. Barre on the other hand, does allow them as well as quad magnet motors for their weekly races. So best bet is to check before you race it or just use it for practice if it is an "h".

"H" is just that, an armature that came from a handout motor.No structural difference or winding,just check with your track to see if its ok to use.

tommy sorry i put the wrong name down on my post.. i meant jason not you. sorry dude

I understand that the epoxy is illegeal, but in most cases, it is an easier thing to tech... any holes in that at all = illegal. Actaully, easier than teching the other style, with the drill balance holes... that some people just feel that they need to make bigger, and add to the other poles that didn't have them if you knwo what I mean. Besides, just because ROAR decided not to make that legal... since when did they ever really have the right idea about stuff? They have been missing teh ball on so many things over the years... this is just one more that they missed.

Burbs.. as for magnet rezapping, you can only resaturate a magnet to it's full potential.. fb6 to fb6 spec, fb9 to fb9 spec. However, some motors don't get zapped well enough from the factory.... hence they can be zapped to a level that is higher than original. I have a zapper that I bought years ago, and hence redesigned to work on today's strongest magnets... it will suck a large screwdriver across a table from about 5 feet away... and give you a nasty headache if you stand near it while using it. I don't know what the output is, but I do know that it will pop a curcuit breaker if there's anythign more than a couple light bulbs on when it's turned on. I know that from my modified days, that when I rezapped a can, it would stay good for as long as a new one would. The magnets naturally lose strenth from sitting, and from exposure to heat. No matter what you do, they will always lose strenth over time.

Burbs.. as for magnet rezapping, you can only resaturate a magnet to it's full potential.. fb6 to fb6 spec, fb9 to fb9 spec. However, some motors don't get zapped well enough from the factory.... hence they can be zapped to a level that is higher than original. I have a zapper that I bought years ago, and hence redesigned to work on today's strongest magnets... it will suck a large screwdriver across a table from about 5 feet away... and give you a nasty headache if you stand near it while using it. I don't know what the output is, but I do know that it will pop a curcuit breaker if there's anythign more than a couple light bulbs on when it's turned on. I know that from my modified days, that when I rezapped a can, it would stay good for as long as a new one would. The magnets naturally lose strenth from sitting, and from exposure to heat. No matter what you do, they will always lose strenth over time


yes jason i agree... after thinkin about it i figured u meant some may not be full strenghth right from the factory.. the way i first read it was u were staing they could be better then the rated output... cool deal...

i always found after re zapping they did not last as long as a new can.. but heat and work on the motor all effects that...