Barre R/C is looking to make the 3 trophy races into handout motor races. What does everyone think about this. Racing fees would go from $20 to $35 or $40.

Let us know!!!

rob, i just bought a bunch of binary two motors, they are on stilts... it would be a shame if i couldn't use them on that fast lil track in barre.

but wich handouts are you talkin about? the latest i know of are the chrome w/ purple endbell, i believe they are the monster motor made pretty...lol i have some they aint to bad though.

Yes, they would be the chrome w/purple endbell Trinity handouts. They used them in Maine this past weekend and they seemed to be pretty good. Keep the feedback coming, thank you for your opinion

Bob T

Bob i think it is a great Idea!!! We will be there no dought :thumbsup:
NICK

I'd prefer no handouts. I only have one purple/chrome paperweight and that's enough for me. After the race they are worthless (to me)...binary 2 and 4 mags are faster, handout motors aren't legal at any race except for that one day, I practice in race trim. Just my opinion.

It's not a big deal I guess. Not much different than paying for a roar membership for a day.

If you get get the binary 2 mags that would be sweeet.

god bless the shuffle!!!!

Bob,

Handout would be great. Level playing field! People would have to use the handout motor and would not be able to have 20 different motors and 50 different arms to cherry pick over.

The quads arn't legal either are they?(not sure if they have passed them or not?)

I have been able to use my purple monster at Barre, Plattsburgh, and this weekend at the ROCK.....Its kind of like everything else, people all have what works best for them and tend to stick with it. So throwing the curve of the handout would be cool!

Shawn

Quads are legal at Barre. I didn't know the handouts were legal at the Rock or Plattsburgh, I hadn't asked at either track. Those handout motors aren't roar legal thats all.

shuffling sucks,oh no here we go again LOL

Dan Dubuque

Shuffling is a MUST!!!!! The more the better!!!

As for the motors, as long as the motors are inspected I will attend. I think that the TQ and winner motors should be tagged and torn down after the race (just for safe measures). If you want the glory of the win you should not mind getting your motor torn down (unless you have something to hide).

Antonio De Nino

I heard it was going to be 35.00 you can't beat that price .and tommygun is right you cant use them any were thy are not roar legal. but i will be there hand out or not. Nice run in Maine for you and your son BOB
I just want to beat the mightymidgit

Thank you for all the feedback, keep it coming, the handout motors are not ROAR legal but, we were allowing 4 mag motors anyway so I don't think we will have any problems with the handouts being run even after The Trophy Race, I don't think there will be any real advantage to them, it's all in the handling. I think for a 35.00 entry fee with a handout motor that's a great deal and it does even the playing field to make it more competitive. I also would have no problem tearing down and tagging the TQ and winner of the A Main and if found to be legal, give them a new motor. I will let everyone know after our race on Sunday. We will have a meeting and discuss it as a club. Again thanks for the feedback and keep it coming.

Bob T

bob what weekend in nov. is it?

i don't have a problem with reshuffling,as long as the heats are setup by your ability,i'm not going to get into again this year,BOJO i can't make it to barre so you will have to wait another day to try to beat me.we are planning a road trip to the new track in maine,we plan on racing lake region the following day.i looked on my calender and i've got stuff going on every barre trophy race,i'll try next season.
hope you guys all have fun.


Dan Dubuque

The 1st race is on 6-7 November 2004, the race is on Sunday the 7th and Saturday the 6th is for practice. Sorry to hear that Dan, we'll miss you, but you got to do what you got to do. Check out www.barrerc.com for more info and to pre signup.

Bob T

Bob,

Handout would be great. Level playing field! People would have to use the handout motor and would not be able to have 20 different motors and 50 different arms to cherry pick over.


Shawn
So what your saying is you feel out of 20 different motors, some will be faster than others, right? If thats the case then some people are going to get better handout motors than others, right? Do you feel better knowing that going to the track you may get a "dud"? I'm sure you can pick up another motor for 20 bucks or so, no big deal.

Just some food for thought, nothing more! I'm at work bored and thought I would create some online drama, cuz it's fuuun! Hey, at least I admit it!!

I don't think my closest racing buddies even agree with me on this subject, not sure though.

Handout or not, shuffle or not, blizzard or not, I'll be there.

Do you have a decision yet Bob? I would think it would be too late to even get them now.

BARRE ROCKS!!!!

Tom

We'll make a decision this Sunday and I've been talking to Trinity, we can have them in time if we want them. I'll let everyone know the decision on Sunday night or Monday. Thanks for the input.

Bob T

Tommy, we will save the bad motors for you.

Motor races make it more interesting I think. Everybody gets the same crappy motor, some get good ones some don't, but we will have 100 to choose from so there must be one good one in there for you.

Bring all your fellow racers with you. The prizes for the end of the 3 race series will be worth it, I will make sure of that. But you have to attend all 3 to get one.

BRING ON THE HAND OUT MOTORS!!! :thumbsup:

Rob T

I think the handouts are a bad idea. Racing is already as close as it is going to get there. look at the the big shootout series races there were last year and how close they were. I think the handouts may even make it less even. Handouts are not the same between every motor in the batch. Some are real good and others are just junk and then most are mediocre.Would we be able to true the comm and put our own brush/spring combo? I think there wont be a need for a handout at all. Shuffling i think should be done after the second round. I love the idea of it. At the local track i go to i never get in a good heat. I think the initial line up should be done on ability and then after the second reshuffle so people can stack themselves up to everyone they will see in the main. If you reshuffle after the first race and get taken out or have something not go right you will end up in the worst heat with a bunch of hackers. You should be able to get it right after 2 heats if not maybe you shouldnt be in a good heat?

Hey Tommy, Great run at the Rock!:thumbsup:


All I meant was that some of us can't afford a ton of motors and arms thats all. Having a handout would just help in that aspect and make everyone have to tune the same motors. Oh and motors really are the least of my worries, I just stink:p ! You could give me your car at the Rock and I would probably be 2-3 laps of your pace, maybe more:drunk: hehehe......


RCRACER-The motors come with no brushes or springs if I remember correctly. Cutting the comm is fine. Basically the big difference between this motor and the regular monster is that it is epoxy balanced. I think that is the hang up for being legal.....
Shawn

Hi Rob,

I'll try to make it to that race, handout or not.

Anyway, those purple endbell motors are quite good, if you ask me! I still use mine from the snowbirds here in St-Roch and it performs very good. The only problem I see to this is the time to prepare the motor. I'll show up sunday morning (girlfriend wouldn't like to see the whole weekend taken!!!), have to setup my car and tune my motor at the same time... Makes for a tight schedule.

Martin Paradis

I say go with the handouts. I stopped travelling to races that dont use handout motors. The 19 turn class has turned into a money war. The guys that spend the most go the fastest. At non-handout races the same names always finish up front. At handout races there is usually a different set of winners. Handout motors give a big race feel to the race also, other wise its just a glorified club-race that you pay extra for. You could also use binary's as the handout if you wanted. That way you get a motor you can use afterwards and I think the racer comes out ahead in the long run. For example I would have no problem paying $50 bucks for a binary handout and a day of handout racing rather than paying 25-35 for a non-handout race. Just my opinion

for me every big race should be with HAND-OUT motors!! on this way everyone have to work to find the roll-out and no one have an unfair advantage by having the best motors from his sponsor! i have make a lot of race with hand-out motors...and i never have any problem to have a good one!! and i don t need to buy a lot!! and when i was not on the A-main it s not becasue i feel i don t have a good motors...but it s because my set-up was off!

like Mayem say, 19T now it s like open mod....every 3 months you have a new can with new kind of brush!! they have started this class to take the place of the 6cells stock but less expensive, for the guy who want more speed than 4cells stock...but now the problem...the 19t class is more expensive than 6cells stock and maybe 4cells mod!!

bring back the 6cells stock class!!!!!!!!!!!

Pace

Dan you have a pm. I haven't seen a bad hand out yet like he will be given out and i have 5 or 6 that I still use.

GO RED SOXS

Pace,
Are you going to make the 3 big races this year?

Rob T

Well i dont know about 3 but the Beefy Crew will be at 2 races anyway.
the trinity hand out is a good motor, even K&N use it for weekly racing in stock....
My opinion is Hand out's level the playing field, this race usally has some of the
fastest stock racers on this cost, lets see what happens with hand outs....
will it be like the winter blast where you have to leave your motor at the track
saturday night and pick it up sunday??
NICK

I'm seeing a trend, no not people stating there opinion that won't even be at the race, but that many of you think it levels the playing field. It don't! We will see I guess! The cream always rises to the top.

If this was nearly any other track I would be all for handouts.

Tommy,
Why does the track matter?

tommy, i'm with you, but don't wory i have alot of handouts...zapped,trued,aligned,& dyno'd. all good, you need one jus give me a hollar..

i'm also in dans corner, as long as the heats are driver ability, reshuffle if you must.

,

Why does the track matter?
I don't think motor matters as much at Barre as it does at bigger tracks like St. Roch, K/N, Snowbirds, Glens Falls, etc. I say give handouts a try. I may very well be surprised as to the results.

I don't think motor matters as much at Barre as it does at bigger tracks like St. Roch, K/N, Snowbirds, Glens Falls, etc. I say give handouts a try. I may very well be surprised as to the results.Good run at the roch man... Motor doesnt matter at barre. Look at 19turn when its run there. they run the same lap times as stock. Its all chassis set up and a little bit of luck. I dont think hand outs will make that big of a difference. That track has close enough racing as is i dont understand why you would want to try to change it?

We are not trying to make it worse, we are trying to get the competition closer together to make it more fun. Handout motor races seem to make for a more equal playing field. I agree that the really good racers are still going to be in the A mains, no matter what motors we use but, no one should come in and blow the field away because they had the best equipment. I don't think we will need to collect the motors on Saturday night and give them back on Sunday because all the cans and arms will be marked for the Barre race and if someone is going to go threw all the trouble to cheat at a FUN HOBBY then, I will leave it at that. Anyway, we appreciate all the feedback, keep it coming, The Turkey Shootout is shaping up to be another big race for us, we try hard to make sure everyone has a good time and we are looking forward to seeing everyone there. We will discuss the motors this Sunday at the race and I will let everyone know the out come on Sunday night. Hope to see everyone real soon.

Bob T

Every time ive gone to barre ive had a blast. its alot of fun with alot of great people so im sure eiether way handout or no handout it will be a fun time. :thumbsup:

I am sponsored by a Putnam so it is easy for me to get really good motors, but I would be for the handout, it adds a little bit to the formula of making your car fast, anyone can just go out and order a bunch of pre tunned motors and not have to think about that part of it for the whole race, but if you are given the same motor that everyone else is, it is up to you to make that motor competetive. Years ago almost all "big" races were handouts, it was just another part of the equation of trying to win that day. I don't think that it will really change alot of the faces in the top mains, but it does prevent someone who might have a really sick fast motor that he has been saving for a race just like this to save it for the main or the last qual. Just my thought on this subject, I will be there either way.

Chris Walsh

:o sigh must be nice to be sponsored lol ;)

i agree, its always a blast in barre.
what times do the doors open? and what time races start?

Pace,
Are you going to make the 3 big races this year?

Rob T

Hi Rob,

i don t know if i will be able to make it on november 7 because the week-end after this one is our big touring race in St-Rock (ON-ROAD INTERNATIONAL) and it s all the week-end.....and if i plan to go to Barre i will be there on saturday for pratice...cuz 3hours trip the morning to be there and 3 hours trip back after the race to be at home it s too much for me in 1 day!

i will talk with big sexy!! and maybe!! i really miss the race in Barre VT...every time i was there it was a blast!

Pace

Pace,
Hope to see you there, we miss having you at Barre.

99% sure it will be a motor race.

Ok everyone,
We had a club meeting today and voted to have Handout Motors for all 3 Trophy races. The entry fee will be $35.00 and will in clude the motor. The motors will be Trinity Monsters with the Purple endbell, brushes and springs will be available for an additional $5.00 fee. Hope to see everyone at the races, only 1 more practice Sunday before the Turkey Shootout. Check out the details on our website
www.barrerc.com

Bob T

Are you allowed to bring the motor to your hotel room on Saturday nite and work on it there? Also, what happens if your motor turns out to be a dud? can you buy another one?

u2racer can you have your sponsor call my shop?
Hobby Chamber
203-934-7317
12pm-7:30pm

George i asked putnam to call you.It just might take a while.

three trophy races, thats three $35.00 entry fees?
or one motor for three races?
or is that three motors that i have to buy in total?

same question

As for the mtor questions above. The first race you must pay $35 to race and you get a motor. After the first race you can turn your motor in and when you come for the second race you can get that motor back and only have to pay $20 but you don't get another motor.

Yes, if you purchase more than one motor during the first race you can turn in all your motors and use them all in the next race.

If you do not turn your motor/s in then you can not use them in the next trophy race.

Yes we are going to keep track of all the motors and they will be numbered and marked so we will know which ones came from barre and which ones did not. Both arms and cans.

Extra motors will be $20.

Hello everyone,
Ok, let me answer some questions. 1st off, you can get your motor on Saturday and you can keep it overnight so, yes you can work on it at the hotel and yes you will be able to purchase another motor for $20.00. Next, on the 3 Trophy races and 3 motors, yes, you would receive a motor at each one of the races for your $35.00 entry fee or you may choose to have your Handout motor from the 1st race impounded by the track( marked with your name and secured by Barretown R/C) until the next race at which time you would pay $20.00 to race and may use that motor again. You also can have your motor impounded and pay $35.00 for the next race and receive a new motor and be allowed to use both motors for race 2. I hope that this explanation is not to confusing, we are just trying to give you options.

I personnally have not been to a Handout motor race with a Entry Fee of less than $50.00 for many years so, I feel that we are being very, very fair to have a $35.00 Entry Fee (the price to purchase a motor alone) for a Handout Motor, Trophy Race. That's just my opinion. If there are anymore questions please ask, I will try to answer as soon as possible. Thank you, hope to see everyone there for a whole lot of fun and close competition.

Bob T

thats a really cool deal

TTT and I was wondering how the track surface is? It looks like according to the results on BarreRC.com that they aren't running as many laps as usual. Just curious. Are wings legal at Barre?

Track is a little tricky these days. It will run tight in the morning and get pretty loose once it warms up and cars have been on it.

We got a new computer system and we don't have it count the first time you cross the line, the last program we had did. So you lose a lap there.

As for the wing. If you want to run it go ahead.

Nobody's been up to speed in Barre lately. Hopefully you will see some bigger laps this week.

so we can use a wing in 4 cell stock for the hand out race?

Yes you can use a wing.