Okay,
This has probably been discussed eons ago but I'm only a casual fan and I just noticed this so any help from the experts would be greatly appreciated.

Watching the trilogy and episodes 1 and 2, one thing struck me as odd.
why doesn't Obi-Won Kenobi recognize R2D2 or C3PO in "A New Hope"?

BUT, even more odd is the fact that Owen (Lukes uncle and Anakin's brother) didn't recognize either of these droids when he bought them from the Jawa's.
Especially C3PO because it would have made perfect sense that C3PO belonged to Anakin's Mother and therefore he would have been around before Owen was born.
Owen would have grown up with C3PO, yet in "A New Hope" he buys him, talks with him and it doesn't even ring a bell.

Anyone else notice this or have an explanation?

Mike

You know what they say about droids. They all look alike.

That answer actually makes the most sense. Seen one R2 unit you've seen them all. Rumor has it that both R2 and 3PO will have their memories flushed in EP. 3 so they won't be able to disclose the location of Anakin's children, Luke and Leia. Of course, you'd think one of the first places Anakin would search would be his home on Tatooine where's there's a kid by the name of Skywalker. Oh well, it will be interesting to see if Lucas even deals with that.

Hmmm.....well, it's a definte plot hole that may be explained in episode III.

Here's my take and questions....

1) Anakin's mother was killed in episode 2 so C3PO would have owned by young Anakin and R2D2 was always the property of the queen Padma.

2) Both droids were only in Obi Wan's company briefly during the breakout and in episode 1 and briefly in episode 2. Obi Wan probably didn't pay much attention to them to remember them since he spend most of the time in the queen's ship or tracking down the droid army, although.....if you recall, when Obi Wan rescued Luke from the Sand People, he referred to R2D2 as his "my little friend" when R2D2 was hiding in the cave.

My question is this. When did Anakin have a brother for Luke to call "Uncle"? Anakin's mother was killed in Episode 2 after "spontaneously giving birth" and there is no mentioning of a brother or sister to Anakin. I wonder if Luke's referral to "Uncle Lloyd" was just because he was "adopted" or something.

Owen Lars would have been Anakin's step brother, as was stated clearly in Episode II. So, that's how he came to be Luke's Uncle Owen.

I have no idea who the Uncle Lloyd is that you refer to.

I'm beginning to wonder if some people have actually watched these movies...

Well, it sounded like Luke called out "Uncle Lloyd" when he was trying to point out that the red r2 unit had a bad motivator before paying off the jawas and asked about the "blue" one. I'll watch that scene again,.

I'm beginning to wonder if some people have actually watched these movies...
I have watched them and that's why I have these questions.

I thought that the boys were half brothers, not step brothers.
I guess I was wrong.

Luke very clearly yells "Uncle Owen!" and has every time I've watched the movie since 1977.

As shown in Episode 1, Anikin is the first son of Schmee Skywalker, who has no idea how he was conceived.

As shown in Episode II, Owen Lars is the son of Schmee Skywalker, and the man who bought her from Watto. Forgot his first name, but his family name is Lars.

That makes Owen Lars and Anikin Skywalker Half-brothers.

That makes Anikin Old Mr. Lars' step-son

Both boys are Schmee's sons, but only Owen is Mr. Lars' son.

Owen, being Anikin's half-brother, is still elligible to be called "Uncle" by Anikin's children.

Luke Skywalker is Anikin's son.

Therefore, "Uncle Owen."

Next week, I'll do the Atreides family tree :eek:

Hmmm.....well, it's a definte plot hole that may be explained in episode III.

Here's my take and questions....

1) Anakin's mother was killed in episode 2 so C3PO would have owned by young Anakin and R2D2 was always the property of the queen Padma.


C3PO was built by Annakin, btw.

Luke very clearly yells "Uncle Owen!" and has every time I've watched the movie since 1977.

As shown in Episode 1, Anikin is the first son of Schmee Skywalker, who has no idea how he was conceived.

As shown in Episode II, Owen Lars is the son of Schmee Skywalker, and the man who bought her from Watto. Forgot his first name, but his family name is Lars.

That makes Owen Lars and Anikin Skywalker Half-brothers.

That makes Anikin Old Mr. Lars' step-son

Both boys are Schmee's sons, but only Owen is Mr. Lars' son.

Owen, being Anikin's half-brother, is still elligible to be called "Uncle" by Anikin's children.

Luke Skywalker is Anikin's son.

Therefore, "Uncle Owen."

Next week, I'll do the Atreides family tree :eek:
That's what I thought.

As shown in Episode 1, Anikin is the first son of Schmee Skywalker, who has no idea how he was conceived.
Anakin, Shmi Skywalker.

Kenobi said he had never *owned* a droid... he was known to leave stuff out, y'know. I figure he simply failed to say, "Hey, I knew these guys before they were reformatted!". Just as he failed to say, "Hey, yer Dad is Darth Vader now!"

thats right Ben never OWEND a droid, but knows who they are.
Owen realizes who the driods are at dinner when LUKE says I THINK THOSE DROIDS MIGHT HAVE BEEN STOLEN..
OWEN - WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT ?
LUKE - ONE OF THEM MENTIOND BEING THE PROPERTY OF AN OBI WON KONOBI.
Owen and Beru look at each other in surprise (realizing who the driods are)
OWEN - FORGET IT those driods belong to us now, tomorrow I want thier memorry erased....
Luke - BUT WHAT IF THIS OBI WON COMES LOOKIG FOR THEM .
OWEN - HE WONT, HE DOSENT EXIST ANYMORE HE DIED THE SAME TIME AS YOUR FATHER.
LUKE - HE KNEW MY FATHER
OWEN - I TOLD YOU TO FORGET IT
I may not have the exact diolog but you can get the idea..

REALLY? Owen is Shmi's son? I had no idea...The actor cast looks MUCH older than Anakin and by rights, Anakin should at least be 10 years older than Owen...I thought the actor looked 30 or older...


In fact the IMDB lists Owen the actor born in 1974.
Hayden who plays Anakin was born in 1981.

I TOLD you he looked much older...That is not right.

I was under the impression Owen was Lars' son from a previous relationship, not Shmi's and Lars'.

Just as an aside, check out the curious the expression on Obi Wan's face when he looked at the droids back at his house. It's almost like he recognizes them but doesn't want to say anything.

José

I was under the impression Owen was Lars' son from a previous relationship, not Shmi's and Lars'.

Well, if that's the case, then it's still logical for Luke to call him Uncle.

Anakin, Shmi Skywalker. That's what I said.
It's not what I typed, but that's what I said.

Didn't Owen specifically tell Annakin that he was his step-brother when they meet in Episode II?

Shmi and Klegg Lars did NOT have any children together, and Watto only sold Shmi to Klegg a few years earlier. So obviously, Owen could not be the result of their marriage.

Since Shmi marries Klegg, that would make Anakin and Owen step brothers, because neither are related by blood, only by marriage. However, this would not change the fact, that to Luke, since he is the son of Anakin, Owen Lars would indeed be his uncle.

As far as the droids go, the 3PO series protocol droid and the R2 series astromech droid are widely used throughout the galaxy during this period. Is not not unlikely that both Obi-Wan and Owen encountered their own share of droids of the same model over the years between Episode 2 and Episode 4. To them, a droid is just a droid. So there really is no reason for them to get excited at all to encounter a 3PO or R2 droid 30 years in the future. It isn't until the recording, and "theft" of the droids in ANH that either would have any possible idea of who the droids are.

And most likely the droids memories were wiped between Episode 3 and 4, so they would have no memory of either Obi-Wan or Owen.

I would guess Darth Vader wasn't overly concerned about where his son was. After all, it's tough to juggle being a dad and being a Dark Lord of the Sith. Plus, maybe he DID know where Luke was, just was waiting until sonny boy got older so he could take him in as an apprentice and overthrow Palpatine.

The droids would still have to be wiped in order to keep from divulging Leia's existence.

Plus, maybe he DID know where Luke was, just was waiting until sonny boy got older so he could take him in as an apprentice and overthrow Palpatine.


Not anymore...Lucas altered the dialog in Empire which suggests that Vadar didn't know anything about his children.

I seem to remember that the Lucas Film line about R2 and 3PO used to be that they had never had there memories erased. They are supposed to be the narrators of the saga.
On the other hand 3PO's telling of the saga to the ewoks in Jedi seems to skip big chunks of the story, so maybe what we see on film is not the 'true' version of events? Maybe the emporer was a benevolent leader who got a bad write up by a glitchy protocol droid

Jim

Vader is just a dead beat dad who never bothered to look up his kids. He didn't go to his home planet for fear of the back child support he owes.

Plus, maybe he DID know where Luke was, just was waiting until sonny boy got older so he could take him in as an apprentice and overthrow Palpatine.

Not anymore...Lucas altered the dialog in Empire which suggests that Vadar didn't know anything about his children.

I seem to remember that the Lucas Film line about R2 and 3PO used to be that they had never had there memories erased. They are supposed to be the narrators of the saga.
On the other hand 3PO's telling of the saga to the ewoks in Jedi seems to skip big chunks of the story, so maybe what we see on film is not the 'true' version of events? Maybe the emporer was a benevolent leader who got a bad write up by a glitchy protocol droid

Hey, maybe Lucas will alter the dialogue for this movie too. Why not? Then it's no longer a bad writeup from a glitchy, bitter protocol driod anymore. From then on, when C3PO tells the Ewoks the story he won't be missing any significant plot points from Episodes I-III. I, for one, can't wait to hear 3PO say, "Yippeee" or hear him recount that God-awful dialogue from the fireplace scene in Ep II...

José

Not anymore...Lucas altered the dialog in Empire which suggests that Vadar didn't know anything about his children.
Huh? If you are talking about Vader's scene with Palpatine's hologram in ESB, the altered dialog implies that Vader didn't want Palpatine to know that he (Vader) already had deduced that Luke was his son -- probably to tie-in with his attempt to get Luke to join him in overthrowing Palpatine. He still doesn't seem to have a clue about Leia.

Qapla'

SSB

You know, it seems just about every character (except Han Solo who definitely doesn't turn up until Ep 4) has forgotten what happened in Ep 1-3. And if they do remember anything, it's wrong or they have selective recall.

Jim

the altered dialog implies that Vader didn't want Palpatine to know that he (Vader) already had deduced that Luke was his son --

I got the implication that Vadar thought the kids were dead...The Emperor says something about the son of Skywalker. Vadar says "That's impossible."

I seem to remember that the Lucas Film line about R2 and 3PO used to be that they had never had there memories erased. They are supposed to be the narrators of the saga.

I think the original idea for the movies was they were originally supposed to be the whole story from the perspective of the droids, but that storytelling convention was (thankfully) dropped. However, they were still able to be part of the entire story arc (which holds true, even with their memories getting wiped).

On the other hand 3PO's telling of the saga to the ewoks in Jedi seems to skip big chunks of the story, so maybe what we see on film is not the 'true' version of events? Maybe the emporer was a benevolent leader who got a bad write up by a glitchy protocol droid

C3PO did say in Star Wars (the real one) that he was just an interpreter, and not very good at telling stories.

The scary part is Luke, Leia, AND Threepio all have the same "daddy".

I got the implication that Vadar thought the kids were dead...The Emperor says something about the son of Skywalker. Vadar says "That's impossible."
My interpretation is that Vader is being sneaky. A risky proposition, based on what we think we know about the ability of a Jedi and/or Sith to detect a lie, but clearly Palpatine is not all-knowing. Recall Vader's reaction to the report from the Hoth probe droid. He still says, "That's it; the Rebels are there. And I'm sure Skywalker is with them." And that scene comes well before his holographic chit-chat with his boss.

Qapla'

SSB

The scary part is Luke, Leia, AND Threepio all have the same "daddy".

That shouldn't be any great surprise, science fiction has shown us time and time again human beings must be the horniest species in the galaxy, and that they'll mate with almost anything.

At least if all the half human-klingon, human-vulcan, human Romulan, human-Sebacean, etc, etc, etc are any indication.