I use KSG Black .090 and KSG blue .100 slugs up front... Then I use IRS .05 Upside down in the rear.. Basically with all 4 tires being equal size the chassis will have .05 worth of rake>>>front .05 lower than the rear..

On my CW:
I use .080's up front, Assoc #2 down in the Rear
Puts a little rake in the car (front is lower)

I pretty much run that everywhere, banked and flat.
If I want some + chassis stagger up front for banked I will put .060 under the RF

Can some one help me with a basic setup for a slider chassis. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It is for carpet about 150' driving line. How much of a diffrence is there beteween the solid and the slider.

Joe D

Thanks Guys for the replies,

I'm already running more then both of you suggested (.125). I guess I will have to really go through the front end. I bought the car used and I have not really gone through it yet. I got the car at 5:30pm on Saturday and decided at 9:30 that I wanted to get it setup for Sunday. So I didn't have a chance to really go over it with a fine tooth comb. I'm still confused as to why the left rear of the chassis is the lowest point on the car. I guess maybe I could have put one of the ride height adjusters in wrong side up it was like 2 in the morning when I was trying to get it setup. Tomorrow is the day I plan to really go through it. I'm hoping to start using it as my primary car on Sunday. Thanks again for the help.

Tim

Can some one help me with a basic setup for a slider chassis. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It is for carpet about 150' driving line. How much of a diffrence is there beteween the solid and the slider.

Joe D


If your still looking for a setup I can send you one.

Doug P


Lighteningmotorsports@msn.com

Yes Doug, Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can email it to me at losi_8@yahoo.com

Joe D

losi888 - You got mail.
The difference between the solid and the slider beyond the obvious slider tray, is the slider is more rigid and more sensitive to setup changes.

Doug P

I'm in the same boat as losi888.. Any setup help for the CW slider-flat carpet oval track 4cell stock (140 ft).. Any Help greatly appreciated
Thanks
Ryan

i recommend going back a few pages and look at Eric and Steve Salvas's setups that should be a real good starting point.

What is everyone running for weights;

Left Front=
Left Rear=
Right Front=
Right Rear=
% Left Side=
% Rear Weight=
% Cross Weight=

I saw what the Steve & Eric were running, but last weekend I was talking to one of the fast guys (beating me regularlly) at the track, (who has been working with a past National winner), and he told me something completely different.

Thank You in Advance,
Tim

it is all different. as for the Twins fyi they check there weights with the body on.

Left Front=320g
Left Rear=370g
Right Front=175g
Right Rear=270g
% Left Side=61%
% Rear Weight=56%
% Cross Weight=48%

That's with body on (race ready) ... no wing setup in 4-cell stock.

Steve.
team CW

I can tell you that Steve is about 100% right on w/ the weights - I run between 160 and 170 LR weight ( or 100G split right to left ) and have a ton of success.

This is def. the ideal spot for the CW cars.

TJ Domark
Team CW

Thanks guys!

That is how I use to setup my L4 with very similar weights. The car was always good with that setup. I probably wouldn't have even listened to the guy at the track if he wasn't waxing me on a regular basis. Maybe it's just the "Super Hot cells" that he claims he got from TQ. Although I think my TQ cells are pretty good too (1.2+ volts 1.7 & 1.8 IR's). He has figured something out that I haven't, he set the track record and runs very close to it every run. I'm still about a lap ( 3.8 secs ) off the pace.

Thanks Again,
Tim

another track record for the slider version....yesterday i re-edit the mark in 4cell stock in St-Roch( www.grcsr.com )...

by the way...y was running mild pack from tq cells...1.199 labels...

this combo....(cw - tq cells - BSR - putnam) simply rocks

Eric S

Eric, are you and Steve and maybe others from Canada planning a road trip back to Delaware this year? It was fun last year and will be even better this year. You could even put the wood to Parisano while your at it,,,hack. Bill


Hi Doug

Eric, are you and Steve and maybe others from Canada planning a road trip back to Delaware this year? It was fun last year and will be even better this year. You could even put the wood to Parisano while your at it,,,hack. Bill


Hi Doug

I'll be back, that's already planned.

Steve.

How does open mod sound.

Eric, are you and Steve and maybe others from Canada planning a road trip back to Delaware this year? It was fun last year and will be even better this year. You could even put the wood to Parisano while your at it,,,hack. Bill


Hi Doug

i had a blast last summer...like Steve said...its all planned...that asphalt oval(seaford)is awesome!

Eric

im going to be running the roar carpet nats at sandhills. i will be running 5800 brushless. can anybody give me some good setup info... tires, springs, shock oil, etc. this class is a tad faster than 19t.

thanks
john

I would like to thank everyone at customworks I got my first A-main win today in pan stock at washington PA with my slider, car was great.

Jimmy

Steve,

I used your 19turn setup from Maximums today at Lakes Region R/C Speedway in stock. I used the weights you recommended also. The car was great!! Easy to drive, fast, the car was definitely the car to be today. To bad the driver wasn't the one to beat. A first lap crash had me almost a lap down and I was able to come back and challenge for the lead. Thank you for the great information.

Everyone,

One more question. Has anyone ever noticed that laps times seem to go up when the temperature and humidity go down? It seemed like all of the cars in stock today were about 2 tenths off our usual pace. Today was the coldest and lowest humidity day we have race so far. If my theory is correct, why is it true and what changes do you make to over come the conditions?

Thank you,
Tim

I would like to thank everyone at customworks I got my first A-main win today in pan stock at washington PA with my slider, car was great.

Jimmy


Congradulations!!!!!

Thanks Doug tring to run on ozite then looped was fun going to 2 tracks in one weekend that are totaly diffrent I just hope I can do it again this week.

im going to be running the roar carpet nats at sandhills. i will be running 5800 brushless. can anybody give me some good setup info... tires, springs, shock oil, etc. this class is a tad faster than 19t.

thanks
john

Just throw some putnam brushes in it and it'll be fast. Does TP tune brushless motors????

;)

Dear Custom Works I have a slider and solid cars and on both the pod plate the holes are to big the ride heights fall out? Can you help me?

I am having the same problem the ride height adjusters are loose inside them. I had an old set that I used for this weekend.

Joe DiGirolamo

A little dab of shoo goo :thumbsup: .

i guess i can tape the brushes on!

Ditto on the shoe goo...I install them...shoo goo them and then use a long flute 3/8 reamer to basically align bore the bearing holes.. It makes it a PITFA to change them at the track... So I typically DONT..I bring a couple of similar sets of tires with me...


Over the summer when I back to racing full sized cars I will send them out to get coated >> Basically have them coated to to tighten up the tolerance..

I had been fighting a real loose car lately.. this past weekend I went from running .080 up front and #2 assoc down in the Rear to assoc #3 in the rear, leveled out the car some and seemed to really help.

Nice job Jimmy at Washington, did u guys ever figure out if there were enough guys to run 1/12th at the Classic ARCOR nats ?

Kenwood
I had my rear adjusters super glued in, martin had to bust it out with a pair of pliars, lol

Yes Eric we do now if I could just get me an aggressor 1/12 I dont think anyone could touch me up there.

I had been fighting a real loose car lately.. this past weekend I went from running .080 up front and #2 assoc down in the Rear to assoc #3 in the rear, leveled out the car some and seemed to really help.


In the center of the turn?

I just got a new Custom Works AGGRESSOR. It did not ship with a center shock. What center shock should I get and where can I order it at? Any other upgrades I'll need?

hpi-try murdock r/c

I looked at the pod plates and the bearing carriers, for whatever reasons the #2 and #3 carrier are loose, but the #1 is fine. Molded parts can change quite a bit from batch to batch if it is not watched. Anyone try the IRS bearing carriers? They have also fit really well and seem pretty consistant.

On mine and others Ive talked to even IRS ones are lose.. the IRS is tighter than the asc but all are loose... The amount of slop to me seems like the tolerance you would allow when setting up a part than was going to be anodized or coated...

Im also on my second motor plate.. so Im pretty sure the issue is universal..

And the variance in the plastic should not be toommuch of an issue unless the mold is worn out>>>>cant be te case or the fit would be too tight... or if they have a bad thermocouple where the plastic was being shot the the worng or inconsistent temperature.My only other guess by lookig at how the parts are shot is that associated is slightly off on their shot size. Since the mold releif is on the outer ridge of the carrier...Its hard to decipher without actually seeing the machine and process...

Kenwood,

The rear bearing holder issues would be a hard one to correct. Mainly because every car out now has SLIGHTLY different tolerances in their machined holes that fit them, so that makes it difficult to make a "standard" size that would be perfect for us picky oval racers. I've been an injection molder for about 20 years, and would say it would be close to impossible to make a complete set of holders that would be EXACTLY the same size. That's just not the nature of injection molding, and never will be, there is too many variables in production. The IRS holders are definitely more quality and consistent than the old associated ones, and are made of a better material.

As popular as all of the machined delrin stuff is getting, we need to try and talk CRC or somebody into making some machined ones, that would at least solve the tolerance issues on the holders.

Later,
Todd Gross

Yeah but how is it that they hold tolerance on the outer edge where say a KSG locates them or an associated car locaes them ... Its almost like the tolerance is fat for that part of the mold...As it was deemed a non critial area by associated.. I do realize the variances in injection molding.. I actually make the molds and the machines... ;) but every one Ive tried is consistently undersized on my pod.. I was actually doubting that the mold would be at fault.. because the parts are not out of tolerance anywhere else.. IE bearings fit tight>>outer ridge fits tight.. Ive seen Machined metal carriers before...But I dont recal what company made them.. I agree delrin would be nice.. Maybe I should start making the mold...he he he :thumbsup:

Ohhh, i see, i didn't realize the custom works mounted just by the inner ledge of the holders. I didn't know you worked in the plastic industry. Small world. A mold AND press builder huh? You're a busy man! lol Where do you work at? Cincinnati Milacron or something?

Later,
Todd

HG makes the aluminum ones, I have a set of them but I use the IRS ones currently, they are much more adjustable and better quality than the AE ones.

http://www.1hg.com/home/Indexnf.htm

Ohhh, i see, i didn't realize the custom works mounted just by the inner ledge of the holders. I didn't know you worked in the plastic industry. Small world. A mold AND press builder huh? You're a busy man! lol Where do you work at? Cincinnati Milacron or something?

Later,
Todd

Yeah the locators mount on the inner side.. thats why I was confused about your post.. Cause I was not getting how you could only experience shrinkage in 1 small segment of the mold.. as in how could the ID in that section cure properly and the OD out of spec... Assuming the mold was correct from the start..

On where I work.. you can PM me and ill tell ya.. ;)

I'm not sure but aren't the ones from IRS made from delrin? unless this is just something that started very recently the pod plates for HD fit the Assoc ones just right,it sounds like an CW's only problem.Haven't heard any problems from the KSG camp either.

How loose is loose? I have 2 Aggressors and both are slightly loose, which is the way I prefer them. Whenever I've have had carriers that fit tightly into the plates there always seemed to be some binding in the bearings/axle. So my question is are they flopping around or just not snapping in tightly.

Doug P

Mine with IRS and associated If you grab the wheel and push on it Yoou can move them back and forth/up and down..

Personally Id prefer having to install them with a sledgehammer... Pan car assembly 101 says Drill 3/8 hole in carriers...then using straight flute reamer to ream to 3/8...that allows the bearings to fit perfectly aligned... INSTEAD what I have to do is ...Get out shoe goo... then install shoe goo carriers.. then put 3/8 bar into the holes and let it dry overnight... Then finish with reamer...So needless to say..I cut a couple of sets of tires before running anywhere or I deal with a sloppy rear axle..

Thats why Im sending mine out to be coated... :thumbsup:

In the center of the turn?

nope off the turn

I agree with Kenwood on the ride ht adjusters
would much rather make em tight then ream out the hole properly with a 3/8" flute reamer.

The IRS ones I had were way too small, they wobbled around like no other,

I put the #2 Assoc in and they were really loose too. #3 wasnt too bad. No wobble yet but I plan to shoe goo them in just to make sure.

I thought about putting some anodizing paint on the plates to make em fit more snug.

Another thing to note for a proper build on the CW car is to add a .010 shim on top of the graphite rear steer clip before you put your t-plate on. The graphite clip is slightly too thin. Otherwise when you tighten your 4-40 nut on the t-plate it will pull the t-plate down on that side.

Once its all assembled take your calipers and measue from the bottom plate to the top of the t-plate and ensure that both sides and the middle are the same distance.

Thanks to Mike Obrien for that tip.