I NEED A SLIDER CHASSIS CONVERSION anybody got them need asap!

davepull, you have mail thru hobbytalk:)

thanks bret im the other lund,i talked to todd on his way home from coopers.

looking for setup for the slider on carpet

yeah me too, anyone have a good setup for the slider on carpet they would like to share ? if you dont want to post it, shoot me an e-mail i wont tell anyone.....:lol:

I have a question for those running OFFSET T-plate on carpet.. I rebuilt my car using a setup given to me by mr. kemp.. The car worked BUT only if I ran a LOT of LR weight.. By a lot Im talking 15oz.. Anything less the car would literally TRACTION ROLL... The first week I had the car out I was offset pod and on center t-plate...I could run a normal 11.9 oz in the LR>>>>Same as with my ksg..

Ive just not had any luck thus far with this car>>My solid CW car seems to work a lot better.. Last week for the big race I ended up going back to my KSG to avoid qualifying last..

here is what i ran last friday(see my gallery for pix)...
wheel base...front middle position...rear short
LF at middle position(even with RF)
RF hole #3(middle)
caster(LF. 1deg, RF. 2deg)
camber(LF. -1deg, RF 1deg)
front spring(left front prog green, RF cst green)
LF sag 0.020'',,,RF barely
center shock: vcs piston#2 60wt, silva silver spring 29.5mm compression(spring measured when sitting off the gr)ound
center shock position at 3rd hole from top
side shock at 3rd hole from top 30wt oil(crc shock)
LR ae silver, RR wolfe opaque(pod is flat with chassis)
offset t-plate...centered pod
stock fiberglass t-plate(0.063'')
LR out 2mm versus LF(202mm rear« track)
0.021'' rear steer(little less than 1/2 deg...tweek the pod while tightening those...it will give you less this way)
1.5 ounce of lead in front of battery
0.5 ounce on the right side of t-plate
(look at my gallery)
esc mounted on the rear part of slider tray
r'cver mounted on the left side of servo(see my gallery)
slider tray is 0.445'' forward(from rear portion of chassis to rear part of slider tray...screws that hold the tray are aligned....
pack all way out
weight
LF 345 gr
RF 185 gr
LR 375gr
RR 240gr

for ounces divide those by 28(1 ounce = approx 28)

tires BSR'S
left greens with paragon
RR white-grey(paragon on the white part, tq mod on grey part)
RF grey with tq mod
on a 155 ft slightly banked carpet track(ozite with 8 ft turning radius)

moving pack forward will tighten up the car...moving it back will give more turnability

hope this helps

Eric S
team cw

Eric you have a PM

OK I will try that...Mine is somewhat close to that now Except for the rear track.. And I had .030 worth of lead in the LF..*** which I found to be UNNECESSARY... I run .030 trail in my ksg and it seems to turn in better>>However I started with my CW at the .062 lead in the LF and the car turned in WAAYYYYY to aggressive..I bumped it back to .030 and it still seemed like I needed less.. Ill try centering the front back up..

As far as moving the pack forward I feel I probably needed to do that as well..I noticed dustys car had the batts about 1/4 further forward than mine did...

Let me ask though...Is the stiffer RR spring just because of the offset pod?? Reason I ask is on my other cars Ive been running ASC Blue RR and ASC gold LR >>> thats what I had on the slider this weekend. BEcause I was picking the LR up off the track I considered switching it...But ran out of time to try stuff..

Eric you have a PM

Oh man he's been in the paragon again sending pm's to himself.

Kenwood - Shoot me an email, I can send you a setup if you like although I'm sure Salvas set is very good. I found with the offset T-plate that I was happier with stiffer side springs.

Doug P

Kenwood - Shoot me an email, I can send you a setup if you like although I'm sure Salvas set is very good. I found with the offset T-plate that I was happier with stiffer side springs.

Doug P

I sent you an e-mail last week...LOL.. unless the one on here is bad or something??

I sent you an e-mail last week...LOL.. unless the one on here is bad or something??

Sorry, could you send one again or just post your address, I've had a few missed emails lately.

Doug P

Lighteningmotorsports@msn.com

I sent it to ya again...No problem>> I understand how the e-mails go..LOL

You can use the address I sent to you from>> OR

nwokenwood@yahoo.com

thanks
Sean Maxwell

with a surface that has more grip...i would go to stiffer side springs...

Eric

btw...its offset t-plate and centered pod...

yup got it... That may have been some of my problem..The grip was unusually high at our track last week because of the use of paragon and the number of racers... Ill still try stiffeneing the sides up either way..

Kenwood - I sent it, let me know if you got it.

Doug P

Hey all where can I get one of these, everyone seems to be out? The chassis I am using is easy to get the leading edge but everyone around here has them and playing the follow the leader isn't fun I want the advantage of having something they don't have and that is fast.

Kenwood - I sent it, let me know if you got it.

Doug P


Nope>> I just sent you a direct e-mail about it...Im not sure whats going on...My guess is the server nazi flagged it as threatening...LOL

sean...that seems like an odd # for left rear weight. i've never even come close to 13 oz. on the left rear...usually like to keep it around 11.3-11.5.
15 oz?! wow. the slider doesn't like me as well as the solid does...maybe i need to treat it nicer. :)
i started with the salvas setup the first outing and was happy with that...but evidently i thought that i was smarter than him and stroked myself into the b-main with my own variation. apologies to canada :)
hey doug...i sent you mail acouple weeks back as well.....
dustinkemp@hotmail.com

I need some advice on getting more speed fast off of the turns.

I am running the Orion Core stock motor, 4 cells, 100 spur, 23 pinion, 64 pitch. Rollout is about 1.72.

I run on a very tight flat paper clip style track where the turns are sharp and I got nothing coming off of the turns.

The car handles great but I just need more speed quick! Any advice on motor choice, gearing, etc would be great!!!

Sean,

The heaviest my car has been is about 12.5 on the LR - at that weight it seemed a bit too snugg for my liking. I've been happiest between 11.5-12.0. The more bite the track got on Saturday, the freeer the car got.

Exactly...My Solid car I could take down to almost 11... In fact thats the only time Ive been able to keep up with everyone else was when running the solid..I want to say I stuck with 11.5 on it.. My slider with anything lsess than the 15 would pick up the LR.Basically I went out thinking I was heavy with 12.9 in the LR..Id run a few laps athen twist on it..the car got comfortable and drivable..pulled it and took the body off and thought WOW thats a lot of spring tension on the RR shock...LOL...scaled it and 15+ I worked on it some more and started back at 12.9 and kept adding weight...finally after a few runs I put the car away forr the weekend..This all went down before you guys had showed up.. .. Nothing was in a bind..My only guess is that because the bite was so high that I needed harder tires and springs out back.. but again my KSG with an identical setup was clicking off much better lap times>>But on the same note my KSG has never run as fast an my CW solid car.. Maybe I should just stick with that but Ive never rebuilt my solid car from the banked setup...My original plan was to keep the solid car for banked and concrete running...But im rethinking that plan..LOL

Sean,

The setups between my slider KSG and the solid CW car are almost the same! So are the weights! The only difference is a stiffer RF spring on the CW car.

So you run your CW car straight up??? you mentioned running your KSG straight up...Just curious..

Offset T-plate, straight up pod on the CW. Straight up everything on the KSG.

Hey guys i talked to Erock he told me to run the car strait up all the way in the rear my first outing with a CW car the car felt better than my old trinity switch blade i jusst need to change the springs and it will be alot better if you all are having to put that much wedge in the car try going with the setup im going to run assiocated silver center blue sides and white Lf and red Rf

I need some advice on getting more speed fast off of the turns.

I am running the Orion Core stock motor, 4 cells, 100 spur, 23 pinion, 64 pitch. Rollout is about 1.72.

I run on a very tight flat paper clip style track where the turns are sharp and I got nothing coming off of the turns.

The car handles great but I just need more speed quick! Any advice on motor choice, gearing, etc would be great!!!

give me a little more on the track specs. i would have to say i have not seen any really fas orion stocks on the oval. get a good monster or roar stock. and i will help u get it tunned.

i would like to put out a invite to anyone that is running custom works in the north east for a stock or 19 sponcorship.

brian

bs motorsports

I need some advice on getting more speed fast off of the turns.

I am running the Orion Core stock motor, 4 cells, 100 spur, 23 pinion, 64 pitch. Rollout is about 1.72.

I run on a very tight flat paper clip style track where the turns are sharp and I got nothing coming off of the turns.

The car handles great but I just need more speed quick! Any advice on motor choice, gearing, etc would be great!!!

Just a guess but i'll bet you have too much gear on the car. How big is the track or what is the track record?

sean...that seems like an odd # for left rear weight. i've never even come close to 13 oz. on the left rear...usually like to keep it around 11.3-11.5.
15 oz?! wow. the slider doesn't like me as well as the solid does...maybe i need to treat it nicer. :)
i started with the salvas setup the first outing and was happy with that...but evidently i thought that i was smarter than him and stroked myself into the b-main with my own variation. apologies to canada :)
hey doug...i sent you mail acouple weeks back as well.....
dustinkemp@hotmail.com

Sorry about the email problem, think i may have to take my computer out back and shoot it. What was the email?

Doug P

Kenwood - I hope you have mail.

Just a guess but i'll bet you have too much gear on the car. How big is the track or what is the track record?

The track run line info I will get tonight and post. The track record is 4.8 seconds, I am running consistant 5.4 laps. Most guys average 5 second laps. I have raced against the fast guys and can hang with them from the half way point on the straight away and through the turn but coming off they kill me.

My set up for the Flat tight track, looped carpet:
Jaco tires LF Green, RF Blue, LR Aqua, RR Gray
Offset Plate and Offset pod
Tweak about 3/8"
Silver stock center spring w/50 weight oil, Green stock side springs w/30 weight oil
LF block up 1 hole leading RF
LF .020 spring, RF .022 spring
23 pinion, 100 spur, 64 pitch
Roll out about 1.7" (rear tire diameters 2.4")
Battery tray about 1/4" back from center

Here is a pic of the track:


Thanks

center the pod flop the front springs LF.022 RF.020 switch to gold side springs or silvers now the most important make sure your LR tires is parallel to the LF when you pull the LR out from the LF it makes the car push. I don't know what castor you are running but I like 0 deg LF 2 deg RF with camber of 1.5 deg LF and 2 deg RF


also if you want more torque out of your motor run putnam green pos and blue neg brushes with purple pos and red neg for springs

hope this helps.

I did some quick math, lap times in that range it would be a fairly large track (170-190 runline). Without knowing the runline for sure its hard to say but your probably under geared, try something around 2.20 rollout. Also check the rollout the fast guys are running.

Doug P

I also just notice that you are running huge tires. you'll want to cut those down I would cut them down to 2.250 that is a really good starting point and will give you pleanty of wear. the main reason we cut tires down is becuse with that huge side wall you get a tone of sidewall deflection.

The track run line info I will get tonight and post. The track record is 4.8 seconds, I am running consistant 5.4 laps. Most guys average 5 second laps. I have raced against the fast guys and can hang with them from the half way point on the straight away and through the turn but coming off they kill me.

My set up for the Flat tight track, looped carpet:
Jaco tires LF Green, RF Blue, LR Aqua, RR Gray
Offset Plate and Offset pod
Tweak about 3/8"
Silver stock center spring w/50 weight oil, Green stock side springs w/30 weight oil
LF block up 1 hole leading RF
LF .020 spring, RF .022 spring
23 pinion, 100 spur, 64 pitch
Roll out about 1.7" (rear tire diameters 2.4")
Battery tray about 1/4" back from center

Here is a pic of the track:


Thanks


well for the motor end of it for an orion u are under greared. look for a monster with hight 22,000 23,000 rpm 62-65 power and them put a set of 13506 xxx lamans brushes with dual purple springs and start with a 100/25 that sould put u in the speed range that u are looking for but make sure your set up is good. if you are worried about set up gear it the sam as you have now and work up.

The track run line info I will get tonight and post. The track record is 4.8 seconds, I am running consistant 5.4 laps. Most guys average 5 second laps. I have raced against the fast guys and can hang with them from the half way point on the straight away and through the turn but coming off they kill me.

My set up for the Flat tight track, looped carpet:
Jaco tires LF Green, RF Blue, LR Aqua, RR Gray
Offset Plate and Offset pod
Tweak about 3/8"
Silver stock center spring w/50 weight oil, Green stock side springs w/30 weight oil
LF block up 1 hole leading RF
LF .020 spring, RF .022 spring
23 pinion, 100 spur, 64 pitch
Roll out about 1.7" (rear tire diameters 2.4")
Battery tray about 1/4" back from center

Here is a pic of the track:


Thanks

poss problems i see at a glance are side springs definatley.. also what bran d of tires do you run?? Bsr, and jaco blue is a very hard tire.. these tires are really only seen on banked tracks.. i would try a bsr gray or black or a jaco black..
also definatlel need smaller tires.. and you may be over geard..

DOUG>>>Got It>>Thanks... :thumbsup:

icenuts... As said>> CUT the tires.. usually For practice I start at 2.27>>>after practicing all day Im usually money by race time..

#2 Hard blue= bad idea.. Id try something olng the lines of a black RF...

#3 side springs... green is too soft>> My car with offset t-plate really liked the wolfe opaques...

#4 center spring.. My car worked very well with #2 piston #60 oil and Silve COPPER center spring..

Rollout 1.7??? In what class... I know Ive never been on a track running stock or 19T with a 1.7 rollout.. Given the lap times you posted that sounds LOW... Id start at least at 2.20 Stock as posted above by doug..

ALSO how FREE is the front end.. For instance... remove the springs... clean everything off>>as in remove any dampening fluid... with the tires off lift up the a-arm... Let go.. Does it FREELY fall back down into place??? or does it BIND and fall slowly??

Icenuts,
Are you running 4 cell or 6 cell on that track?

We turned 4.8 to 5.4 second laps in stock with Monster motors at Sandhills. Granted that is a banked track and allows for a higher rollout. Everybody was in the 2.40-2.50 range there. If you are running 4 cell I would suggest being your track is flat to start at a 2.20-2.30 range.

Should put you in the ballpark

We are 4 cell stock.
MY LHS is getting in some Monster motors so i will be trying them. Also, they don't have the adaptor for cutting the tires yet, but are getting it. So I will be trying that soon aslo.

We had a very serious over steer problem for all cars coming off of one of the turns so that is why my car was set up to push. The carpet is coming around and is more forgiving so i will start to take some of that push out through your recomendations.

I will also be gearing to increase rollout. I do have a question. I can achieve for example, a 1.91 roll out by either using a 31 pinion with a 115 spur or using a 35 pinion with a 128 spur. Is there any reason to choose on combination over the other?? I hope that is not a dumb question. I know, there is no such thing as dumb questions, just dumb people, lol!

I also have this post under the general discussion, sorry for the double post.

Arnie are we getting a 12th oval car yet please say yes

I will also be gearing to increase rollout. I do have a question. I can achieve for example, a 1.91 roll out by either using a 31 pinion with a 115 spur or using a 35 pinion with a 128 spur. Is there any reason to choose on combination over the other??

Honestly you can ask 5 different people that question and get 5 diff answers.
Some say rollout is rollout no matter what gear combo you use.
Others say a larger spur gear keep the momentum up in a class like Mod where you are on and off the throttle which would equal more rip off the turn.
Some claim a smaller spur gear allows the motor to spool up quicker creating more torque.
Some claim a smaller spur gives you more top end speed and lower torque.

My rule of thumb is with the Monster and Epic Motors I like to keep the spur in the 112 to 116 range on large tracks. On smaller tracks I use a 120-124 range.
My goal is to keep the pinion in the 34-38 tooth range. Why?
Seems like everytime I have benn really fast I look and there is a 36 tooth pinion on my car.

Thanks for the post errock1331. I know, everyone has a different opinion and everyone's circumstances are not the same. I do appreciate everyone's help and have learned a lot. I am a long time off road nitro racer and set-ups are important but with these oval cars you have to be dead on. Hundredths of a second matter more. I am enjoying it and if I can lose about .3 seconds I will be competitive locally. The more I know the better. Thanks all!!

36 tooth... hmmm

Well, I ran the fastest laps yet, getting closer. Thanks again for all the help!!!

WELL..2nd time out with the slider...another NEW TRACK RECORD...this time at the Maximus Maine flat carpet track(approx 160ft run line)

i reset the track record in the first and 3rd round...should have improved in the main..(running half a lap faster...but traffic incident cost me some time...but manage to claim the 4 cell winter warm-up 1st postion in the coveted 4 cell stock class....

ALSO..........

Steve ran his slider to reset also the track record in open 19t...and claim the win

both..we improved the track record by a full lap.!!!!!!!!

that chassis is fast..out of the box...


the only difference in setup(from the earliest post#1260...)i did...move the LF forward a spot(1/16'' lead) and move LR in 0.040''...than it was glued and fast..

Eric Salvas

Arnie...i will be sending you the updated setup...for the WWW site...

its looking good for the BIRDS........

how close was steves 19T setup to what he has posted?? Did he still run the green white gray graysilver combo????

well...it worked in stock...but 19t...he had to try something different(tight problems)...he went to LR white...RR white-grey..LF green...RF black..all with paragon...then it was near perfect...if tight again..he would have moved to a greyRR

Eric
team BSR
custom works

For 19T I did not like the greens down the Left side.. I ran what steve did EXCEPT I replaced the greens with pearls and the car felt a lot better>> I cant go whites because we are not allowed to use paragon...so the pearls work out just about right..