Thanks for the feedback on the Niftech softener. It has been about 5 years since I have ran the stuff. I remember it being good, but being as we allow paragon up here I have not had a need to keep using it. Now it looks like it is time to find something else being as Paragon is getting harder to find.

The reason I asked about stickyness is that some Traction compounds like TQ8 or TQ orange make a tire more sticky and does not offer much in the way of softening. TQ works great for rubber on carpet, but not so much on foam. I have found that the sticky softeners are great in the begining, but do not last a run on foam tires. The car will tend to get loose half way through the run...

I will give the Niftech a shot if I can find a place to buy it with out having to pay C.O.D.


Also, Has anybody tried the Paragon 2 that is coming out to replace Paragon???

Or has anybody tried Stick ET???

Any feedback is appreciated...

Jim Glasgow

stick et is ok used outdoors..but in florida on asphault alot of us use trinity tire tweak almost 90% of the time.

sticky tire sauces are only masking an ill handling race car.

as far as i know paragon two is called traction action. paragon will be available nation wide before months end.

stick et is ok used outdoors..but in florida on asphault alot of us use trinity tire tweak almost 90% of the time.

sticky tire sauces are only masking an ill handling race car.

as far as i know paragon two is called traction action. paragon will be available nation wide before months end.
SO katfish the best tirer traction for rc4less tirers are what?????????? for carpet at the birds. someone said the birds is high traction. am i wrong!!! :(

Paragon ground efects is the best out there. (black can)

Paragon ground efects is the best out there. (black can)
hey davepull where can i get some at???????

The reason I asked about stickyness is that some Traction compounds like TQ8 or TQ orange make a tire more sticky and does not offer much in the way of softening. TQ works great for rubber on carpet, but not so much on foam. I have found that the sticky softeners are great in the begining, but do not last a run on foam tires. The car will tend to get loose half way through the run...




Also, Has anybody tried the Paragon 2 that is coming out to replace Paragon???

Or has anybody tried Stick ET???

Any feedback is appreciated...

Jim Glasgow

Jim what is happening is that as you run the front tires are starting to gum up (get real sticky) thus giving the front a ton of traction. you can do a few things to stop this the first is use less. it isn't necessary to compound the whole front tire. usually I start by doing half of both then adjust accordingly 2nd do the on and wipe off asap method. third is clean the tires after every run.

I ran the Paragon traction action and liked it. it was alot like Jack the gripper but better.

no more worries guys Paragon is back in stock or back in black lol sorry that was cheesy


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are they not making the original ground effects any more?

yes they are still making it they just ran out of the 8oz containers and people panicked

i am not a believer in any of the "best" threads or that there is a "best" of anything.

i prefer nif tech on carpet and will use it at the birds
i prefer tire tweak or sun tan lotion when racing outdoors on foams
very few tracks do i use red dot or stick et at anymore. i use nif tech exclusively on carpet. i trust superior hobbies will have cases of paragon at the birds for sale. they have in the past and i assume they will again.

i would worry more about tire selection than tire sauce. the correct tire selection will be very important. a new set every run at the birds if one can afford to do so would be nice as well. tire management is very important at the birds. alot of us will scuff in 3 or 4 sets of tires for the birds. running the same set back to back is dicey at best. washing the tires after every run is very important. some use warm water and hand soap ..while others use lighter fluid or motor spray. they cannot be allowed to sit very long with that paragon crap on them after the race. they will go marshmellow on you scary fast. if you choose paragon less is more and wipe the tire super dry before the race and do not allow it to soak into the tire for a long period of time. i see guys apply it while in line for there heat and wipe it off seconds after applying it.a few guys hvae tried dry tires without success though. honestly if there is a carpet track in town and they do not carry nig tech and paragon i would be scratching my head. we have 0 carpet tracks in florida, but i can pick up a can of 4 or 5 carpet tire sauces at my local hobby shops. TQ hobbies has nif tech and superior hobbies carries everything else.

maybe bruce has to start selling some tire sauces for the rug?

i am not a believer in any of the "best" threads or that there is a "best" of anything.

i prefer nif tech on carpet and will use it at the birds
i prefer tire tweak or sun tan lotion when racing outdoors on foams
very few tracks do i use red dot or stick et at anymore. i use nif tech exclusively on carpet. i trust superior hobbies will have cases of paragon at the birds for sale. they have in the past and i assume they will again.

i would worry more about tire selection than tire sauce. the correct tire selection will be very important. a new set every run at the birds if one can afford to do so would be nice as well. tire management is very important at the birds. alot of us will scuff in 3 or 4 sets of tires for the birds. running the same set back to back is dicey at best. washing the tires after every run is very important. some use warm water and hand soap ..while others use lighter fluid or motor spray. they cannot be allowed to sit very long with that paragon crap on them after the race. they will go marshmellow on you scary fast. if you choose paragon less is more and wipe the tire super dry before the race and do not allow it to soak into the tire for a long period of time. i see guys apply it while in line for there heat and wipe it off seconds after applying it.a few guys hvae tried dry tires without success though. honestly if there is a carpet track in town and they do not carry nig tech and paragon i would be scratching my head. we have 0 carpet tracks in florida, but i can pick up a can of 4 or 5 carpet tire sauces at my local hobby shops. TQ hobbies has nif tech and superior hobbies carries everything else.

maybe bruce has to start selling some tire sauces for the rug?
Hey kat! can u bring me 2 cans of nif tech at the birds.i would buy them from u. :thumbsup:

your in luck! nif tech has been at every snowbirds i can remember. but i'll have a spare can or two just in case.

call my cell # when you arrive 386 843 1477 i'll be there monday by 2 pm

your in luck! nif tech has been at every snowbirds i can remember. but i'll have a spare can or two just in case.

call my cell # when you arrive 386 843 1477 i'll be there monday by 2 pm
Hey kat! thanks for all your help.I will probably give you a call be for then, is that cool. :cool: :thumbsup:

sure i charge by the minute...i sound cute,lol.

sure i charge by the minute...i sound cute,lol.
NO... dude your just a little crasz.LOL :thumbsup:

Congrats to Dave Puliafico for his excellent results at Minnreg. TQ & Win in Stock and TQ & 2nd in 19-turn.

Dave I see you left a little bit for someone else in the 19-Turn class. No sense in showing everything until you get at the Birds!!!

BT

Thanks for the props and the awesome rubber. Tom Pedano deserves alot of credit for this he has set the bar so high. and In the main he proved why he is the man.

great win Tom

Steve Pedano also ran rc4less tires to win the 19t sportsman a main

in stock I ran

LF gray RF black

LR cream RR tan

and 19t I ran

LF tan RF black

LR tan RR gray

and

LF gray RF purple

LR pink RR black

I found that the tan grey black combo to be best in 19t

I ran paragon ground effects in 19T compounding full rears and 1/2 of the fronts outside 1/2 LF inside 1/2 RF

in stock i ran paragon ground effects on the lefts full rear outside 1/2 LF and Jack the gripper on the rights full RR and inside 1/2 RF

Bruce, There were but a couple of cars that weren't on orange power tires this weekend. I can finally say carpet is fun. I didnt beat everyone but only a few stock racers beat my times. Like the afforementioned Tom Pedano, His brother Stephen and Dave P.

Bruce, There were but a couple of cars that weren't on orange power tires this weekend. I can finally say carpet is fun. I didnt beat everyone but only a few stock racers beat my times. Like the afforementioned Tom Pedano, His brother Stephen and Dave P.

Hey Dave, Orange rims on all of um would be nice. There are a lot of excellent tires out there for racers to choose from. So we'll just take as many spots as we can.

I didn't think I'd ever hear you say Carpet was fun.

Pedano, Pedano & Pulifaco, sounds like a law firm to me!

BT :-)

not the right thread but our thanks go out to Bruce for the door prizes he sent to K/N Rcspeedway.again thanks big time Bruce.John :thumbsup:

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Congrats to Dave P and Tom Pedano for their runs at Minnreg this past weekend. It was Orange Power ruling the race with Dave, Tom and myself qualifying in the top 3 positions in the 19T A-Main. RC4Less tires are working great on the rug and I look forward to big things at the birds!!!

Chris Lawson

Bruce, my carpet tires worked great this past weekend @ Minnreg for the Snowbird warm-up ........ still working with my new CW car, the tires werent my problem ........ my crew chief (me) needs to wrench to go faster.

see you at the birds

Rich Boehmler

Cdog if you need help let me know.

With all the talk about the big cars at the warmup I left out my favorite class 1/12 Mod Oval. Mike Bean is considering opening a beauty spa with the "waxing" he gave everyone in 1/12 19-Turn Mod. TQ & Win (2 laps up). Good going MB Racing!

Pictures here: http://www.snowbirdnationals.com/2006indoorcarpetovalpics.htm

Sorry Someone used my computer and posted on wrong thread!

I have something bean can wax for me!!!!!!!!! he had 7 "team" drivers in that main! they all used the force on my poor car! things will be different for the birds! muahhahahahahh

I have something bean can wax for me!!!!!!!!! he had 7 "team" drivers in that main! they all used the force on my poor car! things will be different for the birds! muahhahahahahh
how bad !!! did your poor car catch it :(

Kat's car did some flips and spins that would make a olympic figure skater proud. lol what did I tell yah about listening to Ronnie. lol count me in this year for Charleys, Kat

Like Dave told you Kat. Don't listen to Ronnie about the setup on 1/12th scale.
First off you probably have a hard time seeing through all that smoke let alone all the rolling and spinning out.:dude:
Just check out the pie chart to see what you would have really turned. :jest: Your right Kat I received $20 bucks to spin out in front of you in the 2nd qualifier.:thumbsup:

We would inviite but we really don't like you?

LOL :D

Like Dave told you Kat. Don't listen to Ronnie about the setup on 1/12th scale.


uh, does that mean you SHOULD listen to ronnie about the 1/10th scale ?.....muuuuuuuuuhahahahahahaha :eek: :lol:

Kat's car was very very good in the main but the traffic was ferocious.

Curt, maybe you should ask Bean about your 1/12th scale ?:cool:...... hehe

It is to late Rich. He has turned to the Dark Side of the Force.
I just want to know who paid Kat to spin out in front of me in the 1st qualifier?

As far as the traffice goes. YOU GET WHAT U GIVE. :eek:
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:freak:

Guys the tire orders are coming in hot and heavy for the birds. Make sure you get your orders in early so you don't get caught short. Also make sure you stop by the RC4LESS Pit/Display area just out the door off of turn 3 (oval layout) or at the end of the back straight for you onroad guys! We'll be displaying some new products about to be released.

4 weeks and counting

(1 week and counting for you B.H., Greeneville TN the Figure4 is on the way!)

BT

Bruce,

It was a long weekend of racing up here for the BDC Carpet Cup oval race. The over all results were great for RC4Less tires. In 1/10 scale 4 cell Mod the top qualifiers and top 4 finishing cars were on RC4less foams.

I ended up winning the event Sunday and TQ'd and got second at the Club race Friday night and Les O'dell TQ'd for Sunday's race and won Friday night.

John Glasgow TQ'd and won the 1/12 4 cell Modified race and the Top 3 cars in the 1/12 scale A main were also on RC4less foams. I also ran 1/12 scale Mod and placed 2nd. Both John and I were driving Darkside outlaw cars.

RC4less tires also TQ'd and Won Modified Open wheel, which is like a legends class only the cars are old RC10 style cars with Stealth transmissions.

In Fridays club race, the entire 7 car A main was all on RC4less foam tires.... This is pretty impressive considering in November the only people on RC4less foam were Les O'dell and Myself.

Also... My 1/10 4 cell Mod setup in my L4 oval car were as follows:
Surface: Ozite Oval
Track size: 85x36 line: 185
RC4less Tires: RR: Cream LR: White LF: Black RF: Purple
Tire softener: Paragon (Black can)
Motor: 10 single
Batteries: IB3800's
Chassis set-up: VCS shocks 30 weight oil, w/ Blue Side springs, IRS Med/Soft spring steel T-Plate, standard rear pod position, Wolfe front in-line axles w/ Wolfe springs: LF: progressive silver spring RF: Standard Black
spring, Center Associated VCS macro shock with #2 pistion and Copper TC3 spring. Darkside Shark center shock mount w/ shock in 2nd hole from the top. Battery position to the rear in a 6 cell tray w/ an RC4less reciever pack in the front of the Tray.

In 1/12 scale Mod the winning and second place tires were:

RC4LESS 1/12: Rear: White LF: Purple RF: Grey/Black
(I know it sounds weird to run this combo in the front, but it works awesome)

Anyway just thought I would share all of this w/ the RC4Less faithful!!!

Will talk to you soon,

Jim Glasgow
Everett, WA

RC4Less :thumbsup:

What tire compounds will I need for the Snowbirds race in 1/10 4 cell stock?
How many sets of tires will I need?
To what diameter should I cut the front tires? The rear tires?
Any idea on the rollout required?
Thanks!!!

I am going to try this

I ran

LF gray RF black

LR cream RR tan

I liked it. tire size I would start @ 2.18 3 sets should be enough. just make sure to clean them after every run. lighter fluid works great as does motor cleaner.

Bruce Ygm...............................

Order coming at you Bruce

-Eric

Order coming at you Bruce

-Eric

Eric has succomed to the darkside. OOPS! I guess he already had. Se ya in a few weeks.

I liked it. tire size I would start @ 2.18 3 sets should be enough. just make sure to clean them after every run. lighter fluid works great as does motor cleaner.

Daniel san,
Righter fruid no disolvum grue on rims? :cool:
Mr Miagi<><

Hmmmm. I have a feeling that we will be seeing alot of "Orange" at da 'birds!!!!!!

I have been using kingsford stuff and it works great. haven't seen any problems with the glue. thanks for the heads up though I keep an eye out for it

Hmmmm. I have a feeling that we will be seeing alot of "Orange" at da 'birds!!!!!!

Orange you glad you run RC4LESS tires? Oh somebody stop me. :rolleyes:

Looking forward to seeing everyone in just a little over a week. Weeeeeee

Just wanted to wish Bruce and the other RC4less team drivers good luck at the Snowbirds. I predict a whole lot of orange in victory lane. Would love to race the birds with you, but just can't afford it this year. I really wanna make it next year. Also thanks so much to Bruce for his help this year, its been an honor running for RC4Less this season. RC4Less tires are top notch quality, and I've never been happier with another tire in my 16 years of racing. Hope you guys have a great time at the Birds.


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I am gonna be there around 10th at the Birds, hope to catch up with Brice and the rest of the RC4Less clan........ I want to meet the gang............

hey bruce good luck u and team rc4less crew. :thumbsup: I will be watching on the web cam. :cool:

just checking in from the birds. so far so good in sportsman 19t

tq and in in the club race

TQ after 2 rounds


tire I am running

LF cream RF black

LR white RR cream



Dave Puliafico

what size are these tires new, i race a fixed gear class and am trying to get my rollout right.

thanks
john

I ran the same tire setup and everything hooked up well
LF Cream RF Black LR White RR Cream

Thank you Bruce for the tires..... I enjoyed meeting the crowd and talking to everyone........

bruce it was nice meeting u 4 the first time. your 1/12s was fast in the main. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: had a blast.