I think this is just sad.Just gos to show ya how down hill ROAR has gone .As we still dont know when or who is hosting this race.Roar is a joke .

Here's a link to our website......

http://glrc.dyndns.org/default.htm

Would it be a problem if we held an official/unofficial regional race?

why do u need roar to host a race.. just plan a weekend race, and get the ball rolling.. im sure if there was enough time and planning people would attend it...lots of tracks do it.. give it a cool name... maybe Knapster's anti ROAR weekend race... he he just kidding.. but a coolo l name works..

We are Oval hear us ROAR!

Well, it's been quite a l o n g time since any of us have heard anything from Kenny.
Should we just give up, or does anybody else have another option their considering?
Would writing to Rick be a wise choice?? Or would that even do any good??

if it is offered to you, i wouldnt take it.. protest. i already think with the way it has been handled, there wont be alot of people very happy with roar.. im not.. Isnt it ridiculous... they pick the nats locations, but no regionals...

BTW Fred Hohwarts email is fredroar@aol.com HE is the roar administrator, so i would email him... wilson is up for re election,

The reason nationals is decided is it's done by the excom,were as regionals is up to the region director to decide.

Well Kenny... this will make two. First Classic backs out, and we at GLRC are following suite.

Thanks,
John

Unreal

Unreal
Yes, I'll have to agree with you. But from reading several threads on many other boards it seems this is the direction ROAR has choosen. We wanted to host it, but now it's so late in the year there's no time for advertisment and many of the people who would have traveled won't do so now due to the holidays.

Agreed John.
It's a shame we had 2 tracks wanting to host it and ROAR dropped the ball.

We have a nats coming up in our region this Spring. This reg race could have been a great warm up for that.

can we have a new rep. for region 5 please,. ours went awol!

Can anyone explain what the deal is with this race? I was planning on attending the regional wherever it is, and I just cannot believe that we're not having one. How lame. We live in a region where carpet racing is the biggest thing for oval, and we don't even have a regional race. Why not have it where the nationals are going to be in Toledo?

I'll ask Josh, he is in Cleveland the rest of this week though.

Tom

the problem is not finding a track to host it,, we had a few wanting it.. our region director IS NOT DOING HIS JOB.... he dropped the bal huge.. i paid for my roar membership this year.. i am entitled to run more then one event on that dime.. this is ridiculous... Ive known kenny for a long time, but this is no called for...

Isn't there some way to protest at a higher level w/in ROAR?

I only wish roar would put the effort into oval as they do the other forms of racing. I just got back from sandhills from the NORRCA nats, that was a 9 hour drive each way. Right now I won't even go to the ROAR nats, and its only about 2 hours away, in the same state. Its sad when oval racing is put so far back in line that even the sanctioning bodies won't help us out any. I'll see you all at the ARCOR open and the next NORRCA nats.


Joel

Start a Mini Regoin club, get all of the tracks in the 5 state regoin involed and run with it. The Dirt oval guys have been doing this for years. You can do state races and them regoinals and then the "BIG" one.
I, my self have not been a ROAR for about 12 years. I dont need to. I dont run at ROAR tracks. They dont reconize Dirt Oval anymore so why should I bother them. I now there are some tracks here in IN that might follow. If you read post on the other fourms, I think ROAR is about to cave. That is my feelings. It is nice to have some org. like ROAR or Norrca to set rules.
All I can say is the Dirt Oval.com Series is Nation wide, we have our rules and most all of the tracks follow them. They set up dates for the tracks and it changes.

Just curious....how many tracks contacted a ROAR official about hosting a Region 5 Oval race. I hear everyone wanting to kick Kenny's butt for not having a region race but where are the track owners? Don't you think a little of the responsibility rests with them?! If you support your local track and they are capable of hosting such an event and they don't step up and throw their name in the hat, who should you really be talking to? Not Kenny! He's here to facilitate and support! Maybe someone could step up and give Kenny a hand. Any takers? Back in the day...I was the Region 5 Assistant and I helped the Regional Director cover the bases. Maybe someone focused on oval could take a turn at bat and help out. Just a simple thought............

dwight.. read this whole thread.. a track in michigan and classic hobbies both had asked for the race.. Kenny said he would contact them both and work out the deatails.. we have not heard from him since... KENNY IS NOT DOING HIS JOB... plain and simple... the tracks were told he would contact them.. then after a month.. classic hobbie backed out.(no contact). then a few weeks later the other track backed out.(no contact)..When your director wont give you the info u need to hold a race, its kinda tuff to do anything else...

It was like all of a suddion one day kenny stopped posting and calling tracks... I understand he may be busy, but he seems to have plenty of time to post on the conference... If kenny is that busy, he should be the one to let somone know.. when someone doesnt post updates. it is kind of hard to know if he is busy ...... All i want is a race.. the race i already paid my memebership for...

I still put a big part of the responsibility on the track owners to promote their facilities and work with the sanctioning bodies to coordinate events/dates. There are others in ROAR besides Kenny.

BTW....What was the track in Michigan that contacted Kenny?

I still put a big part of the responsibility on the track owners to promote their facilities and work with the sanctioning bodies to coordinate events/dates. There are others in ROAR besides Kenny.

BTW....What was the track in Michigan that contacted Kenny?
Dwight,

Back in October, no one was stepping up to the plate, so I let Walt know the Region was looking to have someone host the Regional.
Walt told me to contact Kenny B about it saying Classic was interested.
I sent Kenny emails at 2 diff email addresses, a private message on here and posted back on this thread that Classic wanted to host it.

Grand Rapids posted on here they wanted to host it as well.

Kenny posted back on 10/15 saying he received Classic and Grand Rapids emails and that he would select a venue and pick a track within a weeks time.

After that we heard nothing back from Kenny B.

Sonny Brown said he spoke with Kenny and that Kenny was super busy with things outside of R/C. But that Kenny was gonna contact Walt the week of 11/5 to pick a date. I never confirmed with Walt but I do not think this call took place but I could be wrong.

Classic and Grand Rapids both dropped out due to lack of communication and lack of prep time to promote a big race.

So how are we to blame as dropping the ball?
Are we magically supposed to know who to contact other than Kenny?

I know things come up in our personal lives, so if that was the case Kenny (being a responsible rep) should have contacted someone else within the ROAR organization. He could have explained to them that Reg 5 wants a race and that he does not have the time to organize it. I am sure someone would have stepped up to the plate. I am sure a guy Like Mike Russell even though in another Region would have went to bat for him.

When I was the ARCOR Ohio Director, I would have never let something like this slip. This is merely Kenny not doing his job. Oval racing is hanging on by a thread as it is and ROAR dropping the ball in one of the best Oval regions is not acceptible. Its a shame the Mich, Indy, Ohio, Kent, and Wisc racers were let down like this.

I read somewhere that this is what ROAR stands for.......

Running
Off
All
Racers

And might I add, I agree 100% with what "erock1331" had to say. :thumbsup:

Eric...Hard to argue with that! Any thoughts about becoming a ROAR rep? If Kenny's circumstances have changed and he doesn't have the time then maybe someone else could take over. Hate to see 04 get by without a Regional Oval Race!

Bummer!

Dwight

yeah but if he was a roar rep, he couldnt race nationals.. i think thst why he stopped being an arcor rep... thats why we never saw kenny race..

but a change would be nice.. kenny did a great job for a while, but i think its hit is point... maybe a littl less stress and some racing, would be good for kenny

burbs that's not true ROAR reps may race at any event as long as they are not the designated offical/refreee for that event.Like @ the paved Nats this summer Bob Ingersol was the offical for the event so he could not race in the event.Also a ROAR offical is allowed to race in a regional event as long as a waiver is granted by ROAR.

yeah but if he was a roar rep, he couldnt race nationals.. i think thst why he stopped being an arcor rep... thats why we never saw kenny race..

That was part of the problem, you really cant be a racer and a rep and do both effectively.

When I handled the ARCOR state race back at Red Fox, if I was in the pit I was worried something admin was not being taken care of and vice versa if I was doing admin work (tech, taking memberships) I was always thinking I should be in the pit building a motor for the next heat.

But the reason I got out of being a rep went alot deeper than that, I just dont wish to make the other reasons public.

when i asked kenny about it.. he said even if he is not the official he could not race at a national level.. but he can for regionals...

Thanks to everyone for the discussions above. The blame for not getting a carpet regional done was my fault and I'll take the blame. NO reasons other than work and trying to keep sanity at home.

I also look at carpet regional occurring during "carpet" season. I will pursue a regional race yet this season in hopoes of increasing the desire for everyone to attend carpet nats in April at Halo Hobbies. Things have calmed down and we can refocus.

I was contacted by a track in MI and was forwarded a note for Classic back in October. My intention was to contact both and time didn't allow. But we will follow through on timing. Sonny and I did talk.....

As far as where the region is going, the region is much stronger now than 3 years ago and even better than it has been in the past 5 plus years. This is based upon the return of oval drivers and the increased events covering off-road and on-road events which includes MARS, the Ohio Series, Mid-West Series, and omany others. The region has been a total effort but can best be recognized through efforts of Walter Henderson, John Kohan, Scotty Ernst, Dave Jansen, and Nick Terwillger (I know there are many more)......thanks.

Where do we go from here.....you guys and the tracks are the drivers seat. I have announced that I will be leaving my region position in January 05 to assume a fulltime role in the Executive Committee of ROAR as track administrator. My duties will include forging a misaligned or missing communication line between ROAR and the tracks/owners. I will also now be the focal point/manager for all region directors to monitor their efforts in promoting local, state, and regional events. This role and personnel goal will hopefully make sure races are held for all classes, in all states, and regions. I hope that my home region, Region 5 (now the 3rd largest region just behind Ca. and Fl!!!...sweet) will prove to be the template for overall growth in attendance.

I will be the first to say...ROAR is not perfect. But everyone must learn and realize as drivers, members, and tracks....decisions are made for the whole membership..not just the 100 main racers in any class. I have been truly frustrated wiht ROAR but at the same time I have been completely amazed at the great changes ROAR has made. ROAR is better today.

Some other posts to clarify....Dwight...right on the head, final responsibity is mine and I didn't complete it. Regarding ROAR officals and driving at events.....this has been a burr in my side. Officially a designated ROAR official can not race the event. That why at nationals the DRO does not race. THis is to avoid any perception of bias or conflicts that may arise in making decisions in the same class or event that may also include the DRO as a racer. At regional racers...I have pushed the envelope....techincally the region director who is the race official can not race. But I have and so has Mike Russell, run at our region events. No waiver is requested nor was one requested. I asked all racers at the event at the driver's meeting for concurrence....and given it, I raced. If it wasn't for this "membership waiver" a lot of us who work behind the scenes may not get any track time. I know I can say I have not raced since July 4, 2003 because of similar committments including sitting out of two carpet nats and two paved nats as DRO at which I am sure I would have laid some heat and would have been a top contender.

I am workign with Walter Henderson and John Kohan who have been my assistant region directors as to whom will take the helm. Either will be fine and I expect both will be runnign the region will some oversight from me.

In all guys....in three years and all the efforts....I missed the ball on only one race (and the one I hate the most not setting up) the '04 carpet oval region....but we will have one this season (early '05) and we'll get one worked in late '05.

Thanks for the support everyone and I apologize. I hope that with any and all of you, that there is still room for me to pit with next to.... and to swap paint on the track. Region 5 is awesome and I feel with your continued support and the experiences oyu have provided, we as a group can further guide ROAR back.

Thanks.

Kenny B
Region 5 Director (2002 through 2004)

i always have a space next to me he he.. great deal.. im just finnally happy we get to see a post by you kenny.. thanks

BTW...ROAR has not given up on oval racers...not as long as I can hold a transmitter in my hands.

AS far as past carpet oval regionals....classic, trackside, hobby hub has been to the order Frank P.

I managed to look back further into the posts....on a personal note it's amazing how the world has ended and ROAR has forgotten the oval racers....furthest from the truth...in three years one race delayed in scheduling. And Erock....19-turn rules changed as posted and not a fair post....even the races at the event stated it was a very fair change...timing yes was not great...but many of the drivers at the event didn't post here...and what conflicts and bad mojo that would have happened without the change would have been worse. Don't forget what has happened to date in the region..yes there will be a regional....just not this month.

As a reminder...e-mail and phone were always on and will still be on. Don't get deterred.

Kenny B

Kenny...good luck with the EC! No complaints here.............

Dwight

Kenny, I guess the 19T shot was a bit out of line, that was a personal thought of mine that should have stayed personal. But I was growing a bit disgruntled on how ROAR was handling this event or lack there of I should say.

It's funny, all the negative posts on here and I am the only one who gets singled out.
Kinda sucks being I was the one helping get the race booked at Classic.
But I have learned my lesson and I will just stay under the radar screen and never try helping ROAR book events ever again.

Take care,
Eric Hutkay

See e-mails and post just don't clear the air. Eric you aren't singled out and you have done a really good effort....nothing was said about that. Hiding doesn't solve anything and you have every right to be frustated...I was and got involved many years ago. You did fine..I was the brick wall that didn't get you over. Support from everyone...good or bad...I can take criticism...I am not perfect nor will I ever be....I just try and sometimes things give...and it was this this time. My comment to you was for a dead issue that had no bearing on this and wanted to remain that way. I tried to cover everybody under a general review and I wanted to make sure you knew the positon on 19-turn. Nothing more or less.

Just hope you see no one has given up on anybody....trust me too many hours a week are done way behind the scene keeping things up and running.

Realize Classic can be involved for any level of races this coming year from a state championship, to regionals (early or late '05) or even a super regionals building on the courtship between Classic and Sandhills. You guys needs to decide what you want....we'll make it happen. Besides I would love to tell Mike Russell our region beat yours! ;-)

Still here...

Kenny B

Kenny,
What if we decided to go ahead and host this years oval regionals,
would it still be possible??

Thanks

I would prefer more time to allow everybody in the region to plan on being there. If oyu really insist on having a race yet this year, you could setup a state championship race. I am thinking of March for a regional in between Snowbirds and before carpet oval nats.

Kenny B

Stepping back a foot or two.....this thing is pretty beat up! An issue was raised and those involved stepped up and cleared the air. Pulling off an 04 Regional for R5 would be tough with the Holidays. Tough but not impossible. Oval racers when put to the task can be ready for a race in say...........2 hours! The tough part is coordinating the time between work and family. We are also a pretty close knit group so if a last minute Regional was announced....word would travel quickly. My opinion is that all those racers who possibly would attend would know about it in 48 hours. With the short notice we would probably lose 6-8 racers due to schedule issues. The rest would make it. I'd say...if you want to do it...make it a one day event on Saturday 12/18. Not the best of situations but it could be a whole lot worse.

Happy Holidays,
Dwight

Okay, this is interesting.....

I would like to know when and where a Region 5 Oval (regional Carpet) event would take place......

Also when should we expect the Region 5 Nationals entry from to hit the streets??? Heard it was supposed to be held at Halo Hobbies in Toledo???

Kris Fowler

Kris...

No flyer has been submitted for approval yet. As soon as it is approved it will be available for distribution.

Dwight saw your note...good thoughts but I still prefer a later date. I don't want to just have one to have one. Let's have one to have a good one. Like I said we can have one early this coming year and one again later in October/November as well. Still accomplishes having a race.

Kenny B

Kenny,

Keep me posted on a flyer....since Toledo isn't to far away for me to travel....like 3-4 hrs I'd like to go and make some noise in 4 cell stock........race with the big dogs of the hobby.....

Keep up the good work with ROAR.......ROAR oval races need more of the local guys to show up like myself.....who cares if ya don't make the A-Main, it isn't everyday you get to race against the best in the business!!!!!!!!



Kris Fowler

Excellent attitude Kris. Practice makes perfect...and where else can you simply walk up and talk to the best and find out what to do.

Kenny B

You got it bro.....I've been learning alot from Jason Crist, Brent Lane and alot of our best racers that go to Snowbird's and alot of ROAR races......



Kris

For what it's worth......

We at the Great Lakes Racers Club in Grand Rapids, Michigan are willing to host a State Championship as well as the 2004 R5 regionals. Our website can be found at www.GLRCrc.com

Anybody interested?

For what it's worth......

We at the Great Lakes Racers Club in Grand Rapids, Michigan are willing to host a State Championship as well as the 2004 R5 regionals. Our website can be found at www.GLRCrc.com (http://www.glrcrc.com/)

Anybody interested?yeah when?

With going 60 laps in stock, the tracks seems kind of small.. not sure how well mod would work.. im sure it canbe done.. but a good size track would be better for regionals...Last year it was in lansing, and i think that was borderline for small.. Im not dissing the track,i just prfer bigger layouts for bigger events...

hey burbs if youre talking about gr it is 60 laps in 19 turn,track would be great for mod

i was talking about the glr track.. there web site said 60 laps in the results area.. showed only stock classes run.. all mains were under 5 cars..which usually means track is tight.. or small... regionals should be minimum of 8 cars on the track... 10 is what it should be

burbs i run there every week,sunday dec 5th we ran 61 laps,4.01 in 19 turn,the only pancar class has been 19 turn