I don't remember attendence dropping after Cleveland. Just look at the turnout on sundays and the points series.

Dennis,

I forgot to ask Larry about the traction compound issue but that is very good that he is not allowing Jack anymore. Do you know if he will not allow TQ products as well? If so the carpet will last alot longer and it will be less messy as the new Paragon evaborates just liek the old Paragon where as TQ just builds up and gets slimmy.


On another note I stopped by Larry's today and they just finished installing new/additional lights over the track as well as the pit area and the place is bright now. No more dark spots in the track now.

On another note I stopped by Larry's today and they just finished installing new/additional lights over the track as well as the pit area and the place is bright now. No more dark spots in the track now.


WooHoo!!!! :hat:

If I have my facts correct, the carpet at Larry's was completely glued down. And, there were also trucks with rubber tires running. With the carpet glued down, there is going to be a lot more wear, and rubber tires don't help.

Foam only tracks have a lot better carpet wear. Look at Cleveland - all those cars and laps run and the carpet doesn't show the holes and long threads. The carpet from 2 years ago ended up at Lansing and went through the end of that season and all of last season without the same problems that the carpet at Larry's had.

There are pluses and minuses to both types of tire racing. I will take consistant traction (foam tires) over constant tire diameter (rubber tires). Knowing how competitive folks get (especially at Larry's) the cost of tires will be going up using rubber tires. Rubber tires are typically only good for 2 runs on carpet. And, has been mentioned before, there is the variables of rims, inserts, tire profile (low profile versus normal profile), compound, blah blah... yuck.

:)
-Rich

Well when clevelands done. attendance will drop (as always). There is one thing i can say about rubber tires,1. you can control ride hieght 2. it seems that foams with all that rubber content wore the track out worse than rubber ever did. :) So there are other tracks in the state that run rubber with decent turnouts and i try them. I dont care how far i have to drive :thumbsup: good luck

Yes Adam it is going to be the Paragon brand only.

Yes Adam it is going to be the Paragon brand only.
TRACTION ACTION, RIGHT???????

TRACTION ACTION, RIGHT???????

Yes. I just stoped by there and Chris said that the track should be ready for next week.

The miniT track almost makes me want to buy one. :tongue:

If I have my facts correct, the carpet at Larry's was completely glued down. And, there were also trucks with rubber tires running. With the carpet glued down, there is going to be a lot more wear, and rubber tires don't help.

Foam only tracks have a lot better carpet wear. Look at Cleveland - all those cars and laps run and the carpet doesn't show the holes and long threads. The carpet from 2 years ago ended up at Lansing and went through the end of that season and all of last season without the same problems that the carpet at Larry's had.

There are pluses and minuses to both types of tire racing. I will take consistant traction (foam tires) over constant tire diameter (rubber tires). Knowing how competitive folks get (especially at Larry's) the cost of tires will be going up using rubber tires. Rubber tires are typically only good for 2 runs on carpet. And, has been mentioned before, there is the variables of rims, inserts, tire profile (low profile versus normal profile), compound, blah blah... yuck.

:)
-Rich


I totally concur with you on that Rich!!


Greg, get your TC4.. Worlds!!! :)

I totally concur with you on that Rich!!


Greg, get your TC4.. Worlds!!! :)
No graphite parts yet... What, get one and run plastic parts at Worlds.. :rolleyes:

Yeah, well I'm sure you'll be running plastic arms at least.. :tongue: Thats all everyone was running last year.. Seems like the graphite stuff would be out by Cleveland time I would think.. We'll see..


New carpet, lights, pits, and hobby shop at Larry's this year??!! Can't wait to race!! :thumbsup:

J--Just be sure to bring your wife. She is a lot better to look at then you. lol

Thanks MCH, I just logically figured rubber tires would be more cost effective. I didn't even think about inserts or the fact the rubber might not stay the same from one race to the next.

I didn't have problems with the foam tires chunking. They lasted a long time on my car since I didn't cut them down very fast. I would race for 4-5 weeks on a set. (Had 2 or 3 sets to rotate keeping fresher tires ready for the mains)

Sounds like foam is the way to go then!

Did they really change much on the TC4? I saw a photo of it and it really didn't look much different at all?

I'm not changing to the TC4. :) I am very curious to know what the new Losi TC will be.

To what I said before, All i said was I wish there was a rubber class. I didn't say everyone should run it, I was saying there should be one offered . But there isn't and there will not be one ( at larrys) from what I read. With all the phone calls I received on this subject me and others will find a place to run and go there.

Did they really change much on the TC4? I saw a photo of it and it really didn't look much different at all?

The ONLY parts that are interchangeable are the diff cases and drive shaft. EVERYTHING else is all new parts. Overall I think the biggest changes are how the upper links mount to the chassis. They are similar to the way Tamiya does it. More then anything I think it is more of a refinement as I've heard the suspension geometetry is the same except for how the upper links mount. This is what I have heard from people that have seen the car in person. Only time will tell if it is leaps and bounds better the the previous model.

To what I said before, All i said was I wish there was a rubber class. I didn't say everyone should run it, I was saying there should be one offered . But there isn't and there will not be one ( at larrys) from what I read. With all the phone calls I received on this subject me and others will find a place to run and go there.

The biggest problem when we only ran rubber tires is guys would be 2 or 3 new sets a week and only run them a couple of runs and then sell them to others as almost new tires. Still worked but were almost a sec off the pace compared to new ones.

As for the carpet issue is rubber still slides on carpet and doesn't bite in likle foam does. It is this sliding that actually causes the carpet fibers to tear and end up ruining the carpet.

Have you ever ran foam tires on a TC? If you do I'm sure you'll be hooked.

To what I said before, All i said was I wish there was a rubber class. I didn't say everyone should run it, I was saying there should be one offered . But there isn't and there will not be one ( at larrys) from what I read. With all the phone calls I received on this subject me and others will find a place to run and go there.
Chris - Sounds like RC Screws new place in Livonia will be the place for rubber tire. Indoor asphalt for touring cars sounds pretty fun.

I can answer both questionns. Oh I have run foams before. Been competitive with them, but to be there you have to cut the diam. down from what they come in the package. This truing the tires down to nothing to get them to work just made me lose interest as with others.I run foam tires in nitro touring and they are a blast, car works sweet.Take them out the box and go. yea rubber wears but I have seen the take-off's not wear like that in carpet last year.
Kieth- Theres more than rc-screws. They are near my house but we will see. I will always use Larry's as my hobby store and that will never change. but the rules from what dennis said are the rules and i will take my racing elsewhere.

I can answer both questionns. Oh I have run foams before. Been competitive with them, but to be there you have to cut the diam. down from what they come in the package. This truing the tires down to nothing to get them to work just made me lose interest as with others.I run foam tires in nitro touring and they are a blast, car works sweet.Take them out the box and go. yea rubber wears but I have seen the take-off's not wear like that in carpet last year.
Kieth- Theres more than rc-screws. They are near my house but we will see. I will always use Larry's as my hobby store and that will never change. but the rules from what dennis said are the rules and i will take my racing elsewhere.

True them down to 2.32 and you will get more good consistent runs out of them then any rubber tire. The only time most people true smaller is for super high bite tracks that have a lot of running on them like big races. If you are wearing the front or the back more it is chassis setup as the foam tires wear in they find a size they like to be at and usually will wear evenly the rest of there life. When Larry's first started to run foams no one wanted to use them and now it is the opposite. As long as you stay on top of keeping the right ride height they are a ton better and the racing is closer and much more fun on foam.

I started racing again just because of foam tires!
stevent

I started racing again just because of foam tires!
stevent

The dead are arising it must be that time of year again.

Yeah, I was starting sets at 2.34 last year and running them down to 2.16. I know Aaron (Bomia) was doing the same and even had some tires down to 2.14. All that needs to be done is adjust gearing to keep the desired roll-out as tire diameter decreases.

-Rich

True them down to 2.32 and you will get more good consistent runs out of them then any rubber tire.

Chris - Sounds like RC Screws new place in Livonia will be the place for rubber tire. Indoor asphalt for touring cars sounds pretty fun.
Foam actually works better than rubber tires there too. The traction is almost up to the point where Larry's was last year. It's really sticky.

Tim

I am looking forward to racing on the 3rd. :) I know Aaron is also planning on coming out and I think we will be able to drag Fred out, too. I haven't been racing since this past winter except for 2 times I tried to run my nitro TC (key word: "tried" LOL!) this summer. So, I am itching to drive my cars!

-Rich

Foam actually works better than rubber tires there too. The traction is almost up to the point where Larry's was last year. It's really sticky.

Tim
I assume on the asphalt there is treated with sugar water. No need for treating the tires correct?

I assume on the asphalt there is treated with sugar water. No need for treating the tires correct?
No need for treatment of any kind. A purpose built indoor asphalt track doesn't need treatment because the sun isn't drying it out and it stays reasonably clean.

Just put car down and pull trigger and go.

Tim

We don't need to steer? :D

-Rich


Just put car down and pull trigger and go.

Tim

The boards are for steering...

I'll be there as long as my car comes in time.

FB

We don't need to steer? :D

-Rich
Nope, it's road dome board system right now. They just shoot your car every which way anyways. I like Fred's method though.

Tim

is Larrys on road track open for practice yet thanks Jesse

The boards are for steering...

I'll be there as long as my car comes in time.

FB
Fred-what car are you running this year in sedan? Will you guys make the Halloween Classic this year?

is Larrys on road track open for practice yet thanks Jesse

Its almost finished. I stopped by today. The carpet and outer boards a in place. It looks real good.

Next Friday and Sunday are the opening days!

Next Friday and Sunday are the opening days!

I stopped by today and Kris siad they would be open tomorrow for practice and racing will start next week as Mr. Holcomb has said. Atleast I hope Kris was right as they were deciding on lunch.

There were lots of racers at Larry's today trying out the new carpet. Sweet!

Racing Starts this Friday and for the 2004-2005 On-road Season at Larry's.

Friday: sign-in closes at 7:00 racing starts at 7:30. 2 qualifiers and a main. $7 for first class $5 for additional and novice $5



Foam tire 12th scale, touring cars, stock or 19 turn. (19 We will run an open mod as well when needed and we will run any class that we get enough marshalls for.)

The only approved tire additive for Larry's is Paragon's Traction Action.

Larry's is easy to get to on the East side of Mound just North of 18-1/2 mile In Sterling Heights.

Phone in entries at 586-997-4840

I will be race directing on Sundays and the first few Fridays.

Join us for some fun. :)

Thanks,
Dennis.

I was there for a few hours to work out the bugs, I didn't see you Dennis. The carpet was great, good traction. Car stays a lot cleaner with the new rug :-)

Just to clearify for everyone we will not be starting sunday racing on October 3rd, we will start the sunday racing program on October 24. We will however start the friday racing on October 1st. Any questions call the shop at 586-997-4840. Sorry for any confussion that has been caused by this.

Will the track be open on Sunday for practice?

I called Larry's. They said the track will be open Sunday 11:00a-4:00p.

Yes that is true the track will be open for practice, but there will not be racing.

Here is a pic of the current layout from Larry's website.

It looks like the pit tables have been lowered? Is that true? :)

Yea, they lowered the tables just in case Kinwald shows up......... just kidding....... I think it's an optical illusion.

I was there yesterday and the place looks great. For all you Mini-T lovers out there you will have to wait a little longer before your track is set up........

Yea, they lowered the tables just in case Kinwald shows up......... just kidding....... I think it's an optical illusion.
Real nice Barry, next thing you will be joking about old guys!!!!!!

Ted

Is there going to be practice on Sunday for sure? Aaron called this afternoon and they said they are having problems with the carpet peeling up and they might not have practice on Sunday. I don't know if that affects racing on Friday.

Keeping my fingers crossed things work out for practice on Sunday....

I attempted to practice today (well tues as it is wed) and in some places the carpet is starting to come up. Can't tell if it was just that the glue hasn't dried yet, not enough glue or something else. Larry said he was going to have the carpet rolled and see what happens but expected it to be a go for wed but I am doubting it.

The track should be reopen for practice tommarow, thursday, and racing is still scheduled for Friday night. There will be practice sunday from 11-4. The carpet was not peeling up per say but rather where the cars were going fast around the sweeper areas the carpet just started to slide on the wet glue a little, the carpet is now back flat and the glue has had a few days to set a little bit more, not a huge problem.

Awesome! Thanks for the update, Jess. Looking forward to being there on Sunday! Wish I could make it Friday.