Just got back from the midnight show of Alien vs. Predator.

Actually, it was better than I expected. It's a shame really that our expectations are generally so low these days.

The film is short (1:27 running time) and sweet. The set-up is swift, the action intense with a couple surprises along the way.

It's too early to get into spoilers. There were some nice (non-spoiler) homages to the earlier films. Of course Lance as Mr. Charles Bishop Weyland. No mention of Yutani...maybe in the sequel. The layout of the sacrificial chamber should be familiar to you. The whole concept of a pyramid dates back to O'Bannon's earlier draft scripts of Alien. And when the team is searching around the abandoned arctic station, I expected to see a frozen Kurt Russel and Keith David with an empty whiskey bottle at their side. Or possibly James Arness? No, he was a crispy critter. :D

I see in the credits that many of the original Alien team was involved here. O'Bannon, Shusett, Hill, etc.

I really enjoyed the film. It was a good mesh of the two genres and certainly superior to Alien 4 and probably Alien 3. Sanaa Lathan as Alexa kicks butt. She's no Ripley, but still quite good.

Yes, there are some problems. The alien life cycle from facehugger to chestburster to adult seems to take about 10 minutes. Maybe the Predators engineered these aliens to grow at an accelerated rate to speed the hunt. Or, in actuality, the film makers knew they didn't have time to waste. Although in one particular instance, the lifecycle is much slower to make a dramatic point.

Anyway, as you see it, lets hear some more reviews.

I saw the midnight show as well. Very well done. Great effects and believable story line! The filmakers definately put thought into how the aliens and predators would end up together. Before seeing the film, I was concerned that Hollywood (as per usual) would have just put them together for the sake of putting them together and then explain it as "Just because". That definately was not the case here.
I would have toned down, but not eliminated (since the Predators supposedly had an arrangement with early humans), the beauty and the beast or friendship aspect. The longer blades on the Predators did'nt appear hokey (like I expected) in the film. I guess with foes like aliens the preds would want longer blades in order to keep a safer distance from the acid spewers. I agree the life cycle seemed to take only 10 minutes. Maybe the director felt most of the film goers would know the story and therefore felt it was'nt necessary to waste time covering it ,in detail, again. The few slo-mo shots were not overdone. I was affraid that with the slo-mo we would have ended up with "Kung Foo" aliens and predators. Fortunately that was not the case. Love the last surprise. Well worth the ticket price and a definate DVD buy!!!!!!!!!!

As probably the BIGGEST FAN of this story going way back to 1992 I have to say I am ashamed that I did not go to the Midnight show... Wife said yes but her face was saying no. I waited til about 11:39 to see if she was willing to change her mind. By 11:59 I realized that I was just too tired and probably would have fallen asleep, not by choice. I am going to see it this weekend and probably 10 times b4 it leaves the theaters. I am happy to here that it is enjoyable... Big sigh of relief. I will post my review on Monday.... Now to staY AWAY to avoid possible spoilers.

Travis

Oh, ALIEN vs PREDATOR - the statues on Ebay are better than watching this quickie 82 minute movie, thrown together to make a quick buck. BUT the PREDATOR ship looked GREAT with retractable reentry engines. I knew what to expect since it had characters from 'B' movies, but at least they didn't have to follow the usual 'dark and scary' sets already seen in ALIEN, ALIENS, and
ALIEN 3. Timeline for all the ALIEN movies is now distorted:
From ALIEN 3 to ALIEN 4 was what; 90 years? No advances in guns or ships?
ALIEN 3; the real Bishop comes in at the end since he's the maker of Bishop androids, telling Ripley "Let us rip it out of you." Now, Bishop is in the year 2004?
I give it a C+ since this HAS TO BE hopefully the last attempt at an ALIEN
sequal/prequel/dreadfull

It's real short, and the dialog at the beginning is dreadfully padded to stretch it out. "once my father lost his keys and pepsi went up my nose...." Duck and cover.
Not enough time happened in the movie. You need time to build suspense.
The director said he wanted the female lead to be the new Ripley. He shouldn't have cast a short chubby cutie-pie who can't move her face.
The big rumor didn't happen, really.

Why is there a whaling station in the middle of an island? They're usually built close to... THE WATER! And since it is Antarctica, wouldn't the whales freeze solid in a few minutes?

He shouldn't have cast a short chubby cutie-pie who can't move her face.
The big rumor didn't happen, really.

Why is there a whaling station in the middle of an island? They're usually built close to... THE WATER! And since it is Antarctica, wouldn't the whales freeze solid in a few minutes?
She is a fine snow bunny (cutie pie), but she aint chubby - those clothes were bulky. I've seen her in person..tight dress...no panty lines... umm. :^P

Why is there a whaling station in the middle of an island? They're usually built close to... THE WATER! And since it is Antarctica, wouldn't the whales freeze solid in a few minutes?

The whaling station is accurate. They were often on the edge of nowhere near the ice floes. It was a very tiny island. The water wasn't far. Whales are very resilient.

Also, how does this film throw off advancement of Alien weaponry?

BTW, the first Alien film was populated by "B" movies characters. I love "B" movies.

Finally, the Bishop in Alien 3 was an android wasn't he?

Anyway, I enjoyed it.

Bishop in A3 was Human; Aliens don't have weapons, I was referring to the period of time from Ripley dying in Alien-3 and being cloned in A-4 was around 90 years, yet weapons were still the old bullet type.
The Original Alien: Weaver was a new actor, but Tom Skerrit, Yaphet Khotto (sp), and one other were good actors (I'm 42, so I've seen old movies).
I hope the next Star Wars ain't a let down made for children.

Also Ian Holm and Harry Dean Stanton. No slouches there.

Alien 3 Bishop was human. Never said he was a Wayland, though, that's new. Ancestors to established characters are often played by the same actors (not fond of that, personally, but I accept it as cinematic shorthand to establish the link in the minds fo the audience...as well as draw on the popularioty of the actor in the role).

Maybe I'll see this next week. I'll have to see it to judge it.

Unfortunately, the Master Replicas' version of the PREDATOR spear has no retracting ability..just some resin replica. NOT worth it's price IMHO.

Guns have been used for centuries and are an effective and reliable weapon. While no one knows what the future will hold, I am sure that a simple, relatively cheap, very reliable and effective means of Doing Unto Others like guns, will be around for a long time. They are noisy, but... there's a reason no one is marketing quiet motorcycles and vacuum cleaners. As far as "no advancement" goes... it's 2004 and for some things the 1910-ish designs are hard to beat!

user1127 - you stated that the "characters" were "B" movie, not the actors. I agree that the actors were nothing special here and Alien's bunch was superior.

The majority of the cast in AVP is nothing more than breeding space for aliens. It's generous to even call most of them characters. They should have renamed them. Female victim #1, male victim #4, female survivor, etc. Kind of like the Friday the 13th/Halloween/Freddy flicks.

I also thought you were saying that "this" film screwed up the Alien timeline. But you meant it was screwed up already.

I disagree that Bishop was human in Alien 3. He practically gets his ear ripped off in the end and not a drop of blood in sight. Also, in the credits he's referred to as Bishop II. Hmm.

Personally, I'm a young pup. Yep, a whole two years younger than you. Take that gramps! Seriously, I love old movies, but there is such a difference in appreciating a beautifully crafted character piece (which I love to do) and a summer/popcorn actioner. As summer movies go, I rate this one better than average. Hey, it could have been as bad as Catwoman, League of Extraordinary whatever, etc.

Hi Guys,
I saw AVP at the 1pm matinee today. Not very crowded which was what I was hoping for from the Matinee.

I liked the movie. I did think Alien Res sucked and made Alien3 look that much better, so much so that I actually have come to respect Alien3. Heck I even want to pick up the directors cut dvd now.

Anyway my problem with AVP was the Alien cycle seemed like it was going on overdrive it was so fast. Then I got to thinking and even watched Alien a few minutes ago. The original film made it seem like it took awhile but in reality I do not think even half a day passed from face hugger to 7 foot tall killing machine. It was just the pacing was faster in AVP.

I too thought that Bishop in Alien3 was human so how could he now be in 2004?

Last note. I feel the ending sequence was too quick. I feel it could have been at least 5 minutes longer.

I will see it again and it will be in the Alien dvd collection once it is available.

BTW I just picked up the McFarlane AVP figures and the 12" Alien and Predator.
Fantastic pieces, IMO.

Cheers,
Max Bryant

If it is such a tiny island why do they need the tracked buses to get there, and a guide? If it's so tiny, how can there be 2000 feet of ice??
Then at the end it seems to be all water under the surface of the pond, or lake. Where's the 2000 feet of ice and the temple???

She is a fine snow bunny (cutie pie), but she aint chubby - those clothes were bulky. I've seen her in person..tight dress...no panty lines... umm. :^P
Yes! And I give the movie points for an unconventional heroine -- and not just because she was black.

I enjoyed it, though it did feel rather short -- and the very last scene was way too predictible. Enjoyed seeing the really wicked Krull weapons the Predators used. Have they used those in the past?

Qapla'

SSB

Some of the the gang from our local sci-fi model club saw it tonight and I liked it! short but good!

So, regarding the "final scene"...throughout we see the predators using unique combinations of X-ray/infrared vision to view inside people, eggs, etc. Do we really believe that they would have missed that little surprise?

So, regarding the "final scene"...throughout we see the predators using unique combinations of X-ray/infrared vision to view inside people, eggs, etc. Do we really believe that they would have missed that little surprise?
Doesn't seem likely, especially as they cannot possibly be so stupid as to not recognize that particular danger.

Still enjoyed the movie, however.

Qapla'

SSB

They never seemed very surprised by the alien creatures, did they? Not a WTF!!, or far out man, or welcome to earth let's be friends.

They never seemed very surprised by the alien creatures, did they? Not a WTF!!, or far out man, or welcome to earth let's be friends.

No time for dialogue, we need to breed some aliens!!!

I was waiting for at least one of them to express amazement that there was alien technology here.

I liked the movie. I did think Alien Res sucked and made Alien3 look that much better, so much so that I actually have come to respect Alien3. Heck I even want to pick up the directors cut dvd now.
Pleade do! At least rent it, I tell everyone who will listen that the extended edit makes the movie worthy of re-evaluation.

It's not really a "Direcor's Cut", as the director disowns the whole movie in any version as an excercize in studio interference and frustration. Still, the extended version shows just how good a movie he did manage to create in spite of being castrated by 20th century Fox. What people saw at theaters was Fox's enforced butchering of his film.

That said, it still has the same relentlessly grim tone. People who were turned off by it's nihilism before will still be turned off by it, and people who are hung up on the killing of Newt and Hicks will still probably be upset (unreasonably, IMO). But people who are willing to take in the movie on it's own terms, and not grouse that it wasn't "Aliens 2"* instead of Alien 3, anyone who wants an Alien film with decent writing, interesting characters, a fascinating setting (not just physical - a brilliant art design and set in this moviie - but also fascinating in the social world the prisoners have built for themselves), and intelligent character developement for Ripley should see this again fresh with the longer edit, which solvess a number of flaws in the theatrical release.

Further, listen to the commentary track. Even detractors of the film will have renewed respect for the talent and hard work that went into the film, particularly David Fincher's work, in spite of Fox's sabotage.

The action is also satisfying - unless all ya want is nonstop aliens knocking off cast members without taking the time to establish such niceties as genuine human involvement. (That last is general, not directed at Max.)




* "Aliens 2" - that's not a mistake. Almost everyone I talk to who hates Alien 3 gives the impression that what they really wanted was another movie just like Cameron's: the further adventures of Rip, Hicks, & Newt battling baddies with action aplenty. Not a third Alien film distinct in it's own right as the first two were from each other, but a second Aliens. A few people actually do take Alien 3 on it's own terms, and still find it lacking as a cinematic work. That view I respect, though I disagree with it.

Someone mentioned to me that; The queens tail makes a big hole the preds chest, and yet the chestburster isn't harmed, and then the chest is whole in the ship. (and then holed again)

Saw it last night. I agree with most here that it was too short but not bad. A few things I didn't like:

PG-13 (Fox likely trying to get more $)
Predators were too big, like weight lifting guys.
A few scenes reminded me of Batman and Robin
Fighting angles were too close to really see the action.
Same guy that was in Resident Evil is in AVP and dies almost the same way.
Seemed like more aliens running around than the number of humans available..

This could have been a really good movie had it retained the R rating and was longer. The cast did not impress me (although Sanaa Lathan is cute), and they seemed to know too much about the aliens/predators history.
All in all, I would see it again, as long as it is matinee. Hopefully the dvd will have much more content.

Spoiler alert!!!




I don't think the predators checked/scanned "Scar" (McFarlene toys name) at the end because there was not any need to. Anyway, the surprise won't last long on that ship.

They never seemed very surprised by the alien creatures, did they? Not a WTF!!, or far out man, or welcome to earth let's be friends.
Well, for the last sentiment, didn't they already realize that friendship wasn't on the agenda?

Qapla'

SSB

Predators were too big, like weight lifting guys.
The one in the first film, IIRC, dwarfs Arnold in the scene where he lifts him up.
Seemed like more aliens running around than the number of humans available..
Maybe for these aliens, twins and triplets run their families! ;)

SPOILER ALERT









I don't think the predators checked/scanned "Scar" (McFarlene toys name) at the end because there was not any need to.
Well, obviously there was a need.

Qapla'

SSB

I thought the preds were too short. Arnold looked tiny compared to the first one, but here the girl looked taller than Arnold did. Maybe that first guy was just the tallest in his class.

If these preds fight aliens as a right of passage, then the preds in the first two were wimps, fighting just humans.

The Original PREDATOR was a 7' + actor, who has since died.
I think I counted seven team members who were either 'gooped up' or cornered and grabbed up in the dark. Since it's nit picky time:
1. Why would the PREDATORS go there knowing there weren't any humans for the eggs to 'take' to down there?
2. The only way to kill an ALIEN is to blow it up (explosives, Pulse Rifle, Plasm gun, etc).
They aren't affected by gases that can kill humans, they can live without oxygen, so certainly the Queen can live....
--Lame ending. The PREDATORS should know or the Directors should have made them tractor beam-up the Queen.

No, those were Predator Girl Scouts!

All they really wanted was to sell cookies, but they take it really, really bad when you don't...

Someone mentioned to me that; The queens tail makes a big hole the preds chest, and yet the chestburster isn't harmed, and then the chest is whole in the ship. (and then holed again)

I don't recall exactly where the predator was skewered, but if was the center of the chest, this is indeed a major gaffe.

Fighting angles were too close to really see the action.
Seemed like more aliens running around than the number of humans available..

Yes, I agree with both those points. There certainly seemed to be more than 7 aliens running around.

The only way to kill an ALIEN is to blow it up (explosives, Pulse Rifle, Plasm gun, etc).
They aren't affected by gases that can kill humans, they can live without oxygen, so certainly the Queen can live....

SPOILER ALERT!!

They are tough critters to kill. They can survive (for a short time at least) in a vacuum. Or, are they just so structurally sound that the lack of external pressure doesn't get to them right away and they can hold their breath? So, it's possible that after a while, the lack of oxygen and the underwater pressure may kill it.

Having said all that, it was a lame death for the queen.

The Original PREDATOR was a 7' + actor, who has since died.

Sbaxter - This is what I was refering to... sort of. All predators are supposed to be 7'. The predator in the first movie while tall, was a thinner build and more athletic, as was the case in P2. AVP predators are like olympic power lifters. Can't imagine those guys swinging from trees or scalling walls.

Alright I've read enough! You guys are getting nuts!

I saw it Saturday morning and all I have to say is HOLY s***! It was awesome! I was pleasantly surprised at how much of the original comic story was referenced. That made it all the more enjoyable for me. Nothing that has been complained about bothered me personally while watching. I guess b/c I have been such a fan that when they actually stuck loosely to the original story I just sat back and enjoyed the ride. I heard some say it was ok for a "B" movie, come on, why is everyone such a wannabe film reviewer. A "B" movie, has anyone ever really thought a "B" movie was worth a review... They are crap and take pride in being crap. AVP is no more a "B" movie then Jurassic Park was a "B" movie... I would almost venture to say that AVP is as fun as the original Jurassic Park and definitely way better then both it's sequals. With about 35 to 40 more minutes of solid story it would be as solid a movie as JP. The acting was very tolerable and at most times very good. The characters were interesting but would have benefited from more time for developement. The story was not as cool as the new planet story from the comic but it really worked and didn't bother me. The action was great and the cool factor was at 10 almost the entire time. Knowing the original story and the old screenplay like the back of my hand I would say there are some things I would have liked to see added to this film and or tweeked but it was still better then a whole bunch of the crap that comes out. So the setting wasn't original enough for some. That was fine for me. Anderson took a setting that everyone sees as desperate and made it very chlosterphobic(sp?) as a homage to Ridley Scott. The Thing/Stargate feel of the movie was sweet. Anderson made many references to all the films in the franchises, why not. I am just happy that he did his "homework" and created a true adaptation as opposed to his vision of the characters. That being said, I would put his AVP in the league as Raimi's Spiderman, Singer's X-men and Donner's Superman. No I'm not saying AVP is as good as those films but as far as Comic adaptations go it's up there with them.

People are never happy, they ask for a decent movie and they get that and then they complain about it being decent... they want better then decent. I understand that thought process but I'll take decent instead of crap.

I would like to address my explainations of of everyone's problems but I am goin to lunch... I will hit those points when I get back. Meanwhile here is the link to the 1995 Briggs script it's sweet and an EXACT adaptation of the Dark Horse Comic story it's a good read... http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/aliens_vs_predator.txt

Travis

They are tough critters to kill. They can survive (for a short time at least) in a vacuum. Or, are they just so structurally sound that the lack of external pressure doesn't get to them right away and they can hold their breath? So, it's possible that after a while, the lack of oxygen and the underwater pressure may kill it.

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The Original movie had the 1000's of eggs in the derelect ship; Ripley and crew with spacesuits (vacum), so I gather since they have 'molecular acid' for blood, they don't need O2 (just vinegar). The can live in H2O since those facehuggers were alive in stasis tubes in ALIENS.
BTW: I hear from a good Ebay source MasterReplicas will be doing Pulse Rifles..hopefully not lame non-effect hunks of metal like those Star Wars blasters.

Oh, ALIEN vs PREDATOR - the statues on Ebay are better than watching this quickie 82 minute movie, thrown together to make a quick buck. BUT the PREDATOR ship looked GREAT with retractable reentry engines.

First of all yes the length of the movie is too short and would not have suffered with more developement time. I would have liked to see more time spent on the two archeologists and of coarse Lex and Charles "Bishop" Weyland.

Characters from "B" movies? NOPE! I already touched on this in above post. Maybe you should look up the multiple lists of B movies and you would know that the Alien/Predator characters are not B movie creatures.

Timeline for all the ALIEN movies is now distorted:
From ALIEN 3 to ALIEN 4 was what; 90 years? No advances in guns or ships?
ALIEN 3; the real Bishop comes in at the end since he's the maker of Bishop androids, telling Ripley "Let us rip it out of you." Now, Bishop is in the year 2004?

I think you are confused... AVP in infact a prequel to Alien and could be to Predator also. The present day is the setting of this film and Alien takes place in the future so there starts your timeline. Henrickson plays the real Charles Weyland in AVP. Bishop in Aliens is an android who's likeness is based on Weyland's. In Alien 3, Henrickson played an android sent by the company as a familier face. Not the real Bishop. If you watch the film, when "Bishop 2" gets hit in the head with a large wrench he goes down but later watches Ripley commit suicide. When he screams NOOOOOOOOOO! Look at his right ear, it looks like it's hanging off as if it were synthetic skin. I could be wrong but that is what I always thought. The company is good on lying so why wouldn't "Bishop 2" be lying too.
Anyways, I have always wondered how Weyland-Yutani knew about the xenomorph even in the first movie, the company's motives were apparent. AVP gives you a little insight into how the company knows about these killing machines. Maybe in the sequel Mr.(or Miss) Yutani pick-up where Charles Bishop Weyland left off... In Aliens, Weyland-Yutani had the motto "Building New Worlds" well maybe we'll find out more about that.

I give it a C+ since this HAS TO BE hopefully the last attempt at an ALIEN sequal/prequel/dreadfull

I don't think it will be... This movie is better then a C+ especially in the eyes of the core fans so all will be fine.


Travis

It's real short, and the dialog at the beginning is dreadfully padded to stretch it out. "once my father lost his keys and pepsi went up my nose...." Duck and cover. Not enough time happened in the movie. You need time to build suspense.

Agreed but this comes from the fear that people can't sit still for character developement, which is wrong but maybe the studio had them cut alot out. Don't know

The director said he wanted the female lead to be the new Ripley. He shouldn't have cast a short chubby cutie-pie who can't move her face.
The big rumor didn't happen, really.

If the Character was handled as the female was handled in the original comic she would kick Ripley's ass. But again the above states the obvious... Not enough time on characters.

WHAT BIG RUMOR DIDN"T HAPPEN???

Why is there a whaling station in the middle of an island? They're usually built close to... THE WATER! And since it is Antarctica, wouldn't the whales freeze solid in a few minutes?

Yes, I'm with you there. But that is being very picky.

Travis

I was referring to the period of time from Ripley dying in Alien-3 and being cloned in A-4 was around 90 years, yet weapons were still the old bullet type.
Ummmm, I hate to break it to ya but Aliens takes place 57 years after Alien and Alien was based in the future but when the Marines were giving in their pulse Rifle clips Hicks pulled out a modern day riot gun "For close encounters"... And Gorman goes back to get Vasquez and he starts shotting Aliens with a standard issue 9mm... I'm just saying you guys have to stop the nit picking.

The Original Alien: Weaver was a new actor, but Tom Skerrit, Yaphet Khotto (sp), and one other were good actors (I'm 42, so I've seen old movies).
Don't forget John Hurt, um just b/c there are unknown actors in a movie doesn't make it a "B" movie and visa versa... I've seen unknowns in A list films and Well knowns in B flicks.

Travis

Yes! And I give the movie points for an unconventional heroine -- and not just because she was black.

I enjoyed it, though it did feel rather short -- and the very last scene was way too predictible. Enjoyed seeing the really wicked Krull weapons the Predators used. Have they used those in the past?

Qapla'

SSB

She was unconventional but I already knew but in the comic book she was Asian.

It was very short and the Ending could have been 25 minutes longer :) The last scene was kinda meant to be predictable... You were supposed to maybe hope it wasn't going to happen...
I don't know why I'm talking in codes, terr already spilled the beans without a spoiler warning. So here it goes, the script tried to do too things at once... In the Comic she fight along side the Predator(Broken Tusk) and he is killed at the end but another Pred gets coccooned/impregnated but he self destructs the whole nest. They tried to mix the too... Again if the movie was longer alot of the inconsistancies would pan out.

The "Krull" weapon is new and sweet! Way better then the flying disk from Pred 2.

Travis

Anyways, I have always wondered how Weyland-Yutani knew about the xenomorph even in the first movie, the company's motives were apparent. AVP gives you a little insight into how the company knows about these killing machines.


Travis

Actually in 'Alien" they knew the xenomorph was there because they had completely decoded the warning from the "space jockeys" ship before the Nostromo computers picked it up and woke the crew. Remember even Ripley,in a very short period of time decoded it enough to figure out it was a warning, then she got busy.

In "Aliens" the company retrieved and altered the logs on her shuttle before her board of inquiry.

'Least that's how I remember it....

[QUOTE=allykahn]A few things I didn't like:
PG-13 (Fox likely trying to get more $)
Predators were too big, like weight lifting guys.


Many people ar commenting on the size of the Preds. Kevin Peter Hall played Pred 1 and Pred 2 (as well as Harry in Harry and the Hendersons) He was alittle over 7 feet tall. The average height of the Pred 1 characters was 6'5". This kinda makes the size of the Pred not as menacing, well until the end where Arnie looks like a child. Kevin Peter Hall's height as the Pred 2 was much more noticable but in AVP they look huge b/c the cast is normal sized. Remember, they look alot more bulky b/c they are wearing much more armor then in Pred 1&2 to protect against Alien blood.

Travis

Actually in 'Alien" they knew the xenomorph was there because they had completely decoded the warning from the "space jockeys" ship before the Nostromo computers picked it up and woke the crew. Remember even Ripley,in a very short period of time decoded it enough to figure out it was a warning, then she got busy.

In "Aliens" the company retrieved and altered the logs on her shuttle before her board of inquiry.

'Least that's how I remember it....

You're right, that's how I remember it too, but I'm saying with AVP it can be said that the company knows more then just decoded messages... I'm just implying the the writers took more time then most would have to connect the stories to help with continuety.

Travis

Many are complaining about the inferior design the Predator has suffered since Winston wasn't on board. Well I have to say... Woodruff and Gillis are former wmployees of Stan Winston Studios and they did much of the work on Aliens and Predator and they have much experience in the characters. Their own company did all the work on Alien3 and their design of the sleak alien was awesome. So I think they are doing fine... My only problem was that they used Human eyes for the Predator... they need the black and green contacts to make them less humanoid looking.

Travis

As a Hard core Alien fan I hated it. The Alien franchise deserves better than that. The movie was slapped together to exploit a gap in the blockbuster summer season.

AVP is going to go the way of Galactica 1980.

I think XactoHazard really liked it.
If you like it you like it, if not, not. Apologizing for it is 20th centurys job.

I just realized the black actress played Blades mother. She was much better in that movie.

Ummmm, I hate to break it to ya but Aliens takes place 57 years after Alien and Alien was based in the future but when the Marines were giving in their pulse Rifle clips Hicks pulled out a modern day riot gun "For close encounters"... And Gorman goes back to get Vasquez and he starts shotting Aliens with a standard issue 9mm... I'm just saying you guys have to stop the nit picking.

Travis
No, you don't have to hate to break it to me at all...
ALIEN: timeline (Year) = unknown, weapons unknown
ALIENS: 57 years after ALIEN; Pulse Rifles, 9mm, shotguns, Futuristic Apachie-type space re-entry dropship.
ALIEN-3: a few months after ALIENS; Doggie-style Alien (bad story since 50 humans can't corner and capture it in a bathroom.)
ALIEN RES: 100(?) more years, no weapon or ship advancement
That was the meaning of my previous statement - not nit-picking. The movies 'jumped the shark' with ALIEN-3. The movie was entertaining with at least 10 laughs in an almost-filled 500 seat theater. Watching the Directors Cut of ALIENS is more entertaining than AVP.

The Original movie had the 1000's of eggs in the derelect ship; Ripley and crew with spacesuits (vacum), so I gather since they have 'molecular acid' for blood, they don't need O2 (just vinegar).

Wearing spacesuits does not necessarily imply a vacuum. Just an atmosphere different enough that humans can't survive. There was weather on the planet so there was an atmosphere. Obviously the aliens could breath the atmosphere. Assuming of course that they breath at all.

..since they have some ferocious post-nasal drip, I think they do breath :^)
..It's been fun - I need to get away from this thread; "Game over..game over dude! Now what are we gonna do...what are we supposed to ~@^*)@-ing do now?!?!?"
(..as Corp. Hudson cries and blows out spit)

Saw it, it was fun but not great.