Hi guys. I have been searching the boards in oval for a while comparing chassis and ideas different companies had to add to theirs. I remember that ADX had the side shocks mounted in such a way (on the top pod plate of course) that both the shocks were in line with each other, and inline with the center shock. they claimed it helped them to control the roll of the chassis better compared to shocks which were mounted outsie the center of the chassis. If anyone knows if their website has been built,or knows why we havent heard a ton about them, please feel free to post.
Dave

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ADX is no longer in business.

some times u can find them on ebay. but people don't really want to let them go. when adx went m.i.a. most the factory testors sold them. so now the people that bought them won't let go.

Someone is making a chassis that has the same center shockmount. I just can't remember who.


www.kgbracing.com

I beleive the guys at RIP motorsports are the ones making a car almost identical to the ADX prototype. I saw it in Delaware a few months ago.

Ok, thanks guys. I thought they were doing real well last time i checked.....I heard they teamed up with a motor company (putnam? maybe) and had a good thing going.....does anyone have a pic of their old proto car? I believe it was from a cad or some type of drafting program. The one im referring to is the one which has all three rear shocks inline with eachother....thanks again guys
Dave
PS: gezer: could oyu be talking about the hyperdrive mount? 2 pieces of graphite stod up, curved to change shock angle without changing length? maybe

it was phantom.

E mail me and I have some pics of the old car. You may want to consider even if you do manage to lay your hands on one of these parts will be almost impossible to come by. You may want to consider a production run car. The parts and setup support are most important. (insert Hyperdrive plug here). My email is steved211@msn.com

i know just about everyone that did have a adx went to a ksg after it clunked out. even the owner of adx went to ksg. :thumbsup:

Thanks Steve, email sent. Im not really worried about finding parts, if I need to get some, I can mill them out with a friend. I want to compare different chassis designs because I have one custom car made and wanted to see what features I could add to the next one. Thanks again.
Dave

one of the rollers sold on ebay a few months ago by s downs was the name....it beliove it sold for 250 as a roller.. plus rocket sold his to.... was a cool looking car, would be nice to see it back to see how well it really works...

That car works very well, but it just never got the testing needed to succeed. The owner of ADX did bail on the car for the Snowbirds, even before he ever ran it....but he then got beat by the only prototype that ran at the Snowbirds. So that should tell you something.

I still have one of these cars, and I might be willing to sell it. I am not sure if I am going to run any carpet this winter or not. If you are interested in the car, you can email an offer to me at bradhayes@msn.com

I also have one of the ADX velodrome prototype cars that I would sell if anyone is interested.

For those of you who don't know, I am the one who started ADX and I also designed all of the cars. Greg Kraios bought ADX from me, and tried to work a deal out with Fantom Motors to distribute the new car. I can't tell you what went wrong from there...as I was only involved in the design of the cars at that point. But as rockin_bob13 said above "ADX is no longer in business".

Yes the Prototype on Ebay was mine. It would have needed a few revisions before production but would have been very competitive. Greg had to take care of some things outside of running a r/c company in his spare time so we all moved on. I now understand why speedfreak wants the car but to most anyone else I still say look for a company with great parts support like Hyperdrive. Cause sooner or later something is going to get broken.

Hey Brad I ran my prototype all week there in stock. Car finished second in the club race and spent most of the qualifiers airborne form wrecks. LOL

They have an ADX2000 still NIB at the Hobbytown in Indy. $139.95. Brad, Indy/F1 is absolutely AWESOME! TX BC

I knew that in 19 turn, that Greg and his buddies ran their KSG cars, and Tony Fox continued with the ADX prototype and beat all of the guys that bailed on it. I was not sure if anyone ran it in stock or not though.

I think that car has a lot of potential if given a chance.

Bob, glad the indy car was able to meet your expectations!!! Good luck at the velo nats.

i know jake from jph racing owns the adx 3..and the rip motorsports is a 100% knock off of the prototype. brad hayes is the man when it comes to oval car design. i owned a adx 2 and before that i owned the parma pahze 1 car. i think both had brad hayes behind them?

greg kraios has not fallen off the map yet. he just had a tom of problems and just couldn't afford to run a company anymore. adx had some stout oval drivers on there team a few years back..guy in florida still win lots of races with the adx 2..it's finding parts that hurts them.

mr. hayes i have a florida oval racer who has skills and would love to test a prototype oval car if you were ever in the need for a driver or two.

katf1sh@earthlink.net check out www.focars.net tony padilla is the wheel thanks bill

i miss my adx. brad i'm always here if u need a tester.lol.. see u this weekend man... i never ever seen the proto 3 in person, seen the cads though.

Brad, what would it take to get the ADX 3 out to the general public? ... or actually a version of the ADX 2 maybe with some refinements? I loved my ADX 2 , so did katfish ...... we all ran well with them. We just couldnt see continuing running the car with a short supply of parts.

Rich Boehmler

Brad, my cutter in Cali does a real nice job!LOL. Like I know you want to start that again, but if you did......

katfish,
you could not be more wrong!!!! the rip car is not a 100% rip off of the adx car
there many changes to it.
have you had one in front of you?? have you measured the cars out?
i doubt it!

the prototype car was nice but it had some things that had to be changed

I do have 2 ADX....a 4 & a 6 cell slider. I have this pic of the prototype. Sure does look like thr RIP one that they seem to rip-off from.

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/136667/6.jpg

by looking at the pics of the rip car i must say it does hold alot of the characteristics of the adx proto.. but it looks more refined... since the adx never officially cam out, there is no copying..... car looks nice.. good luck to the rip guys with the car

thanks burbs
so far the has worked well but cant wait to put on some carpet
the car just steers soooo much :thumbsup:

katfish,
you could not be more wrong!!!! the rip car is not a 100% rip off of the adx car
there many changes to it.
have you had one in front of you?? have you measured the cars out?
i doubt it!

the prototype car was nice but it had some things that had to be changed
What are the changes ? I'd like to know

Thanks for all the help guys. Steve, how long ago was the car sold on ebay? I may be able to look up your username andfind a pic of it on the auction. Thanks
Dave

WOA tons of posts right away.....lust looked on ebay, transaction isnt around any more...but i just scrolled up and found a pic! LOL Thanks again
Dave

rip off..thats a play on words! lol sorry bro but your car and gregs look alot alike. not that it is a bad thing..and to say it is longer or shorter than the original isn't a big deal. most oval cars have adjustable wheel bases. and yes you took the design and tweaked it out some more. thr rip car looks solid, i dont get to see many prototype cars in florida,sorry. one week in febuary i get to see all the new stuff in person. i will stop by your pits and check it out...

Imitation is the best compliment.

Rockin Bob: Looks like a ton of compliments have been going around the industry lately! LOL IMO, i believe the immitation has furthered the abality to tune out cars.....racetech was the first company to come out with a one piece standoff for the rear shocks on an oval car......look where it has led...
Dave

i think every oval car has "barrowed" some typ of design from another. so unless there is a copy right or something there is nothing some one can do. every car i see now days has copied some other chassie. i think it sucks, but hey what can one do about it?

INNOVATE.....not.....IMITATE.

Thats what ADX did to Associated 10L4. They made the car better by giving more tuning options, better battery location and improved front end geometry. Then, whole hell broke loose.......everyne get's a slider version, heck even Associated came out with their own version. L E made a complete replica of ADX. Now if something is about to come out....it better be an improved version of Associated L series of pan car. I hope thats what is to come out of Custom Works. After all, each and every CW cars are a league ahead of competition's. So if this RIP car is what they said is not a rip-off of ADX design. I don't know what to call it. :roll:

Jayzee :jest:

I have a pro parts car, which imo is pretty inovative. It has 2 body mount mounting postions, narrow or wide, which i think can be used to either create a stronger or weaker downforce effect during cornering. Also, they had the front end which is on a plate, and can be moved via mounting holes. Same with the 4 servo mounting positions. And the transponder mount on the 4 cell tray. Good stuff....lol
Dave
PS: Did racetech have the first slider? I believe it was called the slider......

i do believe adx did start it all. if it wasn't for adx we would probably still be running a l3 type car. i believe even the custom works car has some features of other cars. don't get me wrong just look hard. i see a maverick, and ksg in that car. but super job cw. it's just my point that all these cars have used somone elses idea. i would bash on a couple, but i think it's a waste of energy to argue nowadays.lol... no matter what comes out racing makes a full circle of innovations. something u seen a long time ago that almost worked is probably being used today. i like looking at old 70's and 80's racecars. u see some things that are being used again today. the only thing i would like to see is a better front end. we need a free floating front end. the upper, and lower a-arms need to move together. it would improve the roll center so much better. just a idea.......

blueracer55, I have just what you asked for in a front end. I first ran a version of it back when I worked at Parma/PSE. Then I made a revised version of it that I ran on a prototype ADX car. It is pretty simple, uses the upper arms from an associated front end, custom made lower arms, and the springs are mounted inboard. Spring changes are a breeze, you don't even have to remove the tire. The only problem with putting a new front end design in to production is the cost. It would take someone like Associated to put up that kind of money. None of the small oval companies could afford to produce it. New molds for plastic parts are very expensive.

ADX was the first slider car. Everyone else came out with it only after seeing the first ADX chassis. AE then got tired of seeing their team drivers using an ADX chassis, so then they came out with their slider too.

BHayes: Was that front end anything like the HPI one? I have seen that one very little in my time racing.

It was a little like the HPI, in that both arms moved. But the lower arm and pivots were totally different. And the spring mounting was different also. With the HPI you had to run real stiff springs, because of the bad ratio between the spring and the wheel. With my front end, you could run standard rate springs because the wheel to spring ratio was nearly 1 to 1.

It was a little like the HPI, in that both arms moved. But the lower arm and pivots were totally different. And the spring mounting was different also. With the HPI you had to run real stiff springs, because of the bad ratio between the spring and the wheel. With my front end, you could run standard rate springs because the wheel to spring ratio was nearly 1 to 1.

Anybody got any pics of it?

I like the fast that yours used the standard springs. I felt a sprig out of an hpi front end, it was like a rock. lol. Just a question about how you accuatly made yours, did you mold it, mill it, or dremel it and then drill holes? Just wondering because i am starting in a machine shop just messing around.
Dave

speedfreak, it was a combination of machined aluminum and carbon fiber. For the prototypes I made, everything was machined, except for the standard parts that I used (associated upper arms and steering blocks). If it were to go to production, I would have re-designed and had plastic molded parts. Molded parts could simplify it somewhat, but it is much less expensive and quicker to have the prototypes machined instead of molded.

wow i see the people who actually never seen the 2 cars placed side by side.katfish you talk like a fish outta water.The water in florida must be polluted!!you are nuts!!! all i want is for you to talk about what you know.ok we are done with that.lol the 2 cars are completely different.it comes with 2 different top plates.so if i would have had the other top plate on the car in the PICTURE YOU saw.then i guess it would have been a 100% copy of ksg or hyperdrive right. wrong if you know how to read a ruler and see both cars in person then comment on the car.this car kicks ass.if you want katfish i will send you a car when i get more graphite in.Then you give me your feedback.untill then look out for the worm it has a hook in it.lol thanks Bill Osborn

Thanks BHayes.

beekman, your prototype car is very, very similar to the ADX3 that never made it to full production. There were approx 10 of those cars built in total for team guys to try out. The 3D .pdf picture of the ADX3 that was distributed late last year, that someone posted on this thread shows very similar, if not the same, options on your car that was also on the ill-fated ADX3. Thats not a bad thing, the car looks good.

What time line do you have to release your car ? :)

beekman: Does the side shock mount end up being like a "ring"? I notice it has a brace which travels over the pod plate, stiffening the body posts. Also, does the car recieve more downforce because of the reduced flex in the shorter posts? Thanks
Dave

the body is very stiff when mounted on the car.the side shocks are like the adx3.i was one of the 10 guys to get the car from greg krios.sure some things from that car were too good to be wasted.the rear pod is completely different.the body post setup is like no other car out therethe cars will be released soon so we can all see how it works.there were 12 made and sold in red graphite.the new cars will be black. aluminum parts black also. i will try to post some good pics of the 2 cars side by side

I do like how oyu can move the body left or right....if i am seeing the slots in the right light....als, the pro parts prototype has the short rear posts, loks like its becoming the not hot setup
Dave

hey if i keep posting negative things will i keep getting new oval cars?

something i noticed...paintball guns are getting faster and faster..they are starting to copy each others designs now..oval cars in all honesty cannot be made to be so much different that you dont end up borrowing someone else's ideas. like bowling balls..how many bowling balls look different from another? why are some 500.00 each and others 50.00 each? why do the 500.00 balls perform beter? it's the little things..things we cant see in pictures...bill i didn't say your car was crap..i just said it looks alot like the adx 3 some even agree with me...is it 100% like the adx 3 ? no..did you use some adx 3 ideas? yup..take the 10L4 for example..it's a complete rip off of the adx 1 ...who cares? and if there free they are awesome! lol a new front end or some kind of independent rear axle would be new and inovative..body posts and other doo dads dont count! na na na na

bill you can send a kit for the focar raffle.... check out www.focars.net that would be a classy move....than i'll get to see it run every weekend in florida...

we can add your name to the web site as a sponsor asap...
katf1sh@earthlink.net
car kits we have received for the raffle:
hyper drive complete red 12th kit
1 maverick slider kit complete
1 maverick opc chassis complete
1kgb sniper kit
10L40 complete kit
custom works (soon)
RIP???????

we have one race left at the end of sept and than a non points race in october with a banquet for the points winners. i would use your kit for the raffle at the end of the year..i will put you on the focar mailing list and send you pictures of the winner with his happy face and kit in hand.

and i have been know to help get things into local hobby shops as well...i work hard to keep the series sponsors happy..and they keep the series going..win win situation...

looking forward to hearing from you soon bill..thanks william sell

good post.