Here is the flyer/entry form for the 1st Annual US Pan Car Championships taking place in San Antonio Texas May 13-15


http://home.satx.rr.com/rpena/images/USPCC-Flyer.jpg

Entries are now open and are due April 30 for early registration if you wish to avoid a $5 late fee per entry

Entries open next Tuesday!

Hey everybody! I just thought Id give this a little bump. I know its still a good few months out from the actual race, but I am considering having a "warmup race" if there is enough interest? Good idea?

I see that alot of you are viewing the thread. How many of you actually downloaded the flyer?

Hey guys, with the outdoor season about wrapping up in many areas, I just wanted to let you know that the US Pan Car Championships are moving right along. We picked up a potential sponsor a couple days ago so maybe a little something for your car may be in the cards. I will keep you updated on our progress on the other thread

The idea and price look good but before taking off work and going all the way to Texas I would like to see some oval sign ups.

is the track flat??? if it is cap tires shouldnt be used for oval... it should be 100% foam tires... i also notice it says pro 10 for oval classes.. is the chassis open, or do u have to run a pro 10 style car...

It is so lemme go ahead and fix that. Oh and the flyer has been revised to clear up any confusion on the classes. It is pan chassis only (no touring cars).

Here is the revised flyer:

http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1131071

We finally have an official website in the works!

www.uspancarchamps.s5.com

Thanks to Brad Davis for helping get this up and running! Should be ready in the next week or so. It will have rules, pics of pan cars, a history section, a link to the USPCC forums. I just thought I would inform you of this latest little development. Also we are working on getting some big name sponsors, but again this race isnt about how many big companies we can get to sponsor the event, this event is about getting people together to reminisce and race some of the fastest electric cars out there. So if you got an oval pan car lyin around, why don't you dust it off, pack up the wagon and head on down for some good ol fashioned Texas fun.

Ok guys, we are approaching 6 months to the race. The T-shirts are almost ready, the track at HTSA is brand new (The layout will be changed for the race) and the boys in Texas are ready and rarin to see just how good the pan car racers are from other parts of the USA.

I am very interested in the race coming up! Do you have any hotel information and directs to the track. I live in Southern California and would like plan some vacation time to make the trip there. If you could give up some info on near bye hotels/motels I would like to see about room rates and reservations. If you have already got hotels/motels giving special room rates let me know I will contact them.

I have a guy down there working on the hotel rates thing right now. I will work on getting directions soon as well. I will get some from the airport as well as anywhere you guys need (in the San Antonio area)

take it to the top!

bump it up again! We need oval chatter!

Could you post info about the oval track. flat, banked, runline.

Im getting that information this weekend. Should have it Monday

Hey guys

We have just made the decision to change the date of the race to May 14-15. That is two weeks later than the original date. It also means the race will be two days long with all stock classes run on day 1 (including 19T) and all mod classes run on day 2. We will be working out the qualifying format and things like that in a chat this week now that these changes are being made. The reason we have made these changes is twofold. One, there is a ROAR Nationals event the same weekend and we have decided not to compete with them for entries. Also, we are hoping to make the event more convenient for everyone and thusly maximize turnout.

Are any of you that are planning on going averse to these changes (and if you're not planning on going, does this address the reason you wouldnt be going)? Please let me know either here or you can email me at uspancarchamps@yahoo.com

i desagree with qualifying two seperate days

all qualifying should be done at the same time...all classes... then mains the next day,, maybe a qual.. remember.. if people come they are traveling.. no one wants to stay extra days if they can get back at a more resonable time

Hmm...

I see your point burbs. Im having a chat with the whole organizational group this afternoon and this is something that will come up. I will bring up your point in that discussion

The format you suggested is actually better for people running just stock, or just modified. They only need to be there one day. That being said, the 2 day approach is MUCH better than the original 4 day plan.

Pencil in 3-4 oval drivers from Beaumont, TX coming over. However, some of them like to procrastinate so don't expect entry forms from them till shortly before the race.

Is there a registration cut-off for the race?

i still think you will need to be there longer then expected.. lets say u run stock the first day, then mod the next...... those mod driver wont be able to practice the day the stock cars run.... so they will have to be there early to practice. then they sit a day with no racing...lets say the track changes in that day they dont race.. ie more traction.. so setups will suffer...

i think all in one day is plenty good.. if the profgram runs smoth, and minor slow downs, there should be no issue as far as time.. lets just say not that many people show up.. it happens.. then there will be loads of time..

this past weekend we had a race// almost 70 guys.. i think 14 heats...we stated at 11am.. we were done and out of there by 6pm.. thats not a bad run with 3 qualifyers and a main...

i still think you will need to be there longer then expected.. lets say u run stock the first day, then mod the next...... those mod driver wont be able to practice the day the stock cars run.... so they will have to be there early to practice. then they sit a day with no racing...lets say the track changes in that day they dont race.. ie more traction.. so setups will suffer...

i think all in one day is plenty good.. if the profgram runs smoth, and minor slow downs, there should be no issue as far as time.. lets just say not that many people show up.. it happens.. then there will be loads of time..

this past weekend we had a race// almost 70 guys.. i think 14 heats...we stated at 11am.. we were done and out of there by 6pm.. thats not a bad run with 3 qualifyers and a main...

There will be wall to all practice for all classes on Friday, so they will get some chance to get a feel for the track. Also, I am strongly considering having a warmup race so that they will get some preliminary track time beforehand. I understand your concerns about the format. If you like, you can contact Clark Baisdon. He is the owner of Hobbytown San Antonio. YOu can email him at SANHOBBY@aol.com They have had no complaints using this method before, so Im sure they are working on a way to maximize track time for everybody, no matter what class they are racing in

The format you suggested is actually better for people running just stock, or just modified. They only need to be there one day. That being said, the 2 day approach is MUCH better than the original 4 day plan.

Is there a registration cut-off for the race?


There is no official cutoff at this point. With the race having been postponed 2 weeks, Im going to have to rethink when I would want to cut off entries. I will have a decision on that posted in a week or so

The ROAR Carpet National are April 21-24, Your making it REALLY hard for racers to travel to both events, Just a thought is all.

The ROAR Carpet National are April 21-24, Your making it REALLY hard for racers to travel to both events, Just a thought is all.


I see what you are saying. We actually had to reschedule it to May 13-15 because of the fact that the ROAR Gas Offroad nationals were the same weekend as our original date. Our goal was to minimize date conflict as much as possible. Now we can't get rid of ALL conflict (with the frequency of ROAR nationals) but we are hoping that enough racers are accomodated by this change. Im sorry to all the people that are affected by this change, but it causes the least amount of conflict.

I think the tried and true schedule for most other races that people travel to would be the best.
Friday - Open or Controlled Practice all classes
Saturday - 3 or 4 rounds of qualifying depending on the number of entries.
Sunday - Last chance qualifier, mains and trophy presentation.
This gives racers plenty of time to practice, adjust for track changes and a chance at a hail mary into the A on Sunday.

I think the tried and true schedule for most other races that people travel to would be the best.
Friday - Open or Controlled Practice all classes
Saturday - 3 or 4 rounds of qualifying depending on the number of entries.
Sunday - Last chance qualifier, mains and trophy presentation.
This gives racers plenty of time to practice, adjust for track changes and a chance at a hail mary into the A on Sunday.


Interesting idea. I would bounce that off the owner at Hobbytown San Antonio (He is the guy who would field questions/suggestions about the schedule SANHOBBY@aol.com

I will phone Hobbytown San Antonio on Monday and I should have the race schedule posted here and on the race website by the end of the day at the earliest and mid next week at the latest.

Any news? is the schedule set?

I will contact Mr. Baisdon either tomorrow or Friday about the race schedule. If it is ready I will try to have it posted early next week

Not trying to be a stick in the mud. I'm really looking forward to the race. But to give you a point of view I'm hearing....

The lack of a set schedule AND the number of different flyers floating around for this event (old dates, whether you can run caps or not) are making some people hesitant to commit and fill out an entry form.

I understand your point Q-ball.

This is the first time Ive had a race get this far in the organization process. I am learning a lot about how to manage these things. One thing is for certain, these issues will not be there after this year. Thank you for you concerns.

I am very interested in the race coming up! Do you have any hotel information and directs to the track. I live in Southern California and would like plan some vacation time to make the trip there. If you could give up some info on near bye hotels/motels I would like to see about room rates and reservations. If you have already got hotels/motels giving special room rates let me know I will contact them.

Here is a list of hotels in the San Antonio area:

Quality Inn & Suites Coliseum Hotel
3817 IH 35 North (exit Binz-Engleman)
210-224-3030 or 1-800-942-8913 (Res. only)

Wellesley Inn - Airport
2635 NE Loop 410 @ Perrin Beitel
210-653-9110

Regency Inn
1131 Austin Hwy
210-828-1265

Quality Inn & Suites
3817 IH 35 North (exit Binz-Engleman)
210-224-3030 or 1-800-942-8913 (Res. only)

Econo Lodge
3821 IH 35 North (exit Binz-Engleman)
210-224-5114 or 1-800-503-7502 (Res. only)

Ramada LTD.
3817 IH 35 North (exit Binz-Engleman)
210-521-1485

Motel 6
4621 East Rittiman Rd.
210-653-6325

Microtel Inn & Suites
3811 IH 35 North
210-231-0123

La Quinta
6410 IH 35 North
210-653-6619

Fireside Inn Northeast
1259 Austin Hwy
210-824-7321

Drury Hotels Northeast
8300 IH 35 North
210-654-1144 or 1-800-325-0402 (Res. only)

Day's Inn
9401 IH 35 North
210-650-9779

Holiday Inn Express
11939 IH 35 North
210-599-0999

Broadway Inn
1970 Austin Hwy
210-655-2020

Unfortunately there arent any plans for special rates, but with the race being only 3 days, that should ease some of the cost for that.

We are discussing using the 2005 ROAR rules for all classes. That decision should come down Monday morning

discussing using ROAR rules??????

just discussing it? :rolleyes:

The flyer has been out 4 or 5 versions for months. ires you could use have been changed - caps /no caps. There has been no word YET on a set schedule for the weekend.

I'll tell you right now to stop counting on me to enter, although I had said I would before. Myself and the 4 to 5 guys in this area have lost interest. Its just too unorganized.

I've talked with other drivers around the country. No one has said they knew about this race or planned to attend. We don't need to drive 6 hours to race among ourselves.

Maybe next year....

Im sorry that you guys feel that way Q. Ive been doing the best that I can to make this event happen. This is the first event that I have actually gone through with trying to organize so I kinda expected that things would be pretty haphazard. I mean I have a lot to learn about organizing a race. Not to mention the fact that communication is quite troublesome between myself and the host track so I often have to make judgements and then refine them, THe only reason I said that we were discussing was because of the fact that the rules have changed and I wanted to make sure we would use the rules that would be best suited for everyone. Then of course there are things that are beyond my control (like the fact that a ROAR national was taking place on the same weekend as the original date of the race) and in addition to that, Ive had different people come and go (including a webmaster and a flyer designer which resulted in there being multiple versions of the flyer) The tire issue was my own fault. I had not taken the steps to find out which tires they ran on oval at Hobbytown when they offered the class. The lack of a schedule is due to not being able to contact the owner of Hobbytown and hammering out the details of that. The lack of contact with racers is due to a host of things. I found out that they cannot afford to pay for the kind of media exposure that we need for this race to get the coverage that we would like so I have had to essentially work by word of mouth (which can only go but so far).

Again, I am sorry that you have lost interest and hopefully next year things will be more organized.

The race will cease to exist if you try to make everyone happy! Burbs and Zubie have good points in their previous replies. But set a date and commit, saying that you see everyones points is great, but the lack of preperation like Q says is very obvious. You even got me confused!

Build it, they will come!

Jr

The race will cease to exist if you try to make everyone happy! Burbs and Zubie have good points in their previous replies. But set a date and commit, saying that you see everyones points is great, but the lack of preperation like Q says is very obvious. You even got me confused!

Build it, they will come!

Jr

Yeah, the date was in a real state of flux for a while, but we are set in stone with May 13-15. I spoke to Mr. Baisdon at length about the organizational problems involving the race and he assured me that everything is now moving along smoothly. He is making out the final schedule for the weekend tomorrow (Im calling him to make sure that happens), the sponsors are still coming in (We added one more on Friday and plan to add another on Monday), and the form needs no further changes (praise God for that :lol: ) and everything is coming together. The fact that this is my first event has shown itself very clearly over the last year, and I will be very thankful when this event finally goes off in May. I appreciate all the criticism (as well as the positive support) and can only say that it will make me work even harder to make the next one better.

Well folks the days are counting down. We have an official schedule (did have to do some minor tweaking to Friday practice but the schedule is pretty much the same as was posted here otherwise), but in the spirit of avoiding information overload (and thus a dwindle in interest for the race) I have removed the schedule and will include it in all confirmation packs.

http://www.ahsrc.com/united_states_pan_car_championsh.htm

Hey just as a reminder,

There will be a Live US Pan Car Championships chat starting at 10PM EST (7PST) at www.chatshack.net/uspancarchamps there is no login, just punch in a name of ytour choosing and click enter chat

I have been deliberating as to what to do about getting entries in and I was cruising another thread and it mentioned a couple things that inspired this little idea.

First off, your entry needs to be POSTMARKED before April 30 (if you are sending it in by mail) If you would like to enter in person you it has to be received by Mr. Baisdon by the close of business on April 30 to count for early registration. Please make all checks payable to Hobbytown San Antonio and put US Pan Car Championships in the memo line. Ron Meloni is working hard on the T-shirts for the race. The first 25 people to register before April 30 will get a T-shirt which will be included in your confirmation packet. You can enter after that date but we will give out T-shirts on a first come, first serve basis at the race.

Ok guys,

After some VERY lengthy talks with my partners in San Antonio, here are a few amendments to the USPCC rules:

1. 3300 max battery size NiCd or NiMH only(because the 3600 and 3700 batteries are not officially legal and we are running ROAR rules we cannot allow anyone to run those batteries. I apologize to any of you who have switched over to the higher capacity batteries but that is the final word on that

2. 4 cells for all 12th scale classes, all oval classes, and 10th scale 19T GT1
3. Brushed motors only

4. The early entry date has been waived as well as the late fee. We will take entries until 9:30 AM May 14. But if you are one of the first 25 people to enter you will get a free t-shirt (We will be selling shirts at the track as well). It is $35 for the first class and $15 for each additional class

5. For 12th scale oval, it is 4 cells maximum and NASCAR bodies (whatever NASCAR bodies you can find for 12th scale, ROAR legal or not)


CLASSES WILL BE RUN AS THEY APPEAR ON THE FLYER

http://home.satx.rr.com/rpena/images/USPCC-Flyer.jpg

Hey folks, I got this message from a guy in california and I thought Id bounce it off of you

"Its like advertising a race for 1970's. pacers..yeah there will be some who will have interest but how many gonna tow them to Texas! to race?

I think not. bowy.

US PanCar Guy.. heres what you should do.

Look throughout the US and have areas where poklep actually run these cars./. then have a local race there.. go to the poeple and create a series.. like the rc pro dirts series or TCS.. then have a nationals after that. Just haveing a antional champs don't mean anything.

You need to build on local racer scenes first then have a big meet in the middle.

You should call your texas race us pan car champs series race #1 then have one or two on the west coast , central and east and south east. each race has a winner and runners up. you build momentum that way to lead up to a nationals.

Without local support in different areas it makes no sense for anyone to go that far for a club race.

Take a look at the rcpro sereis, TCS or HPI Challenge.. then you understand."

In short, what do you think of "The Road to the US Pan Car Championships" There would be regionals across the country over the next year with a big final race as opposed to just having one big race in a location that not everyone can get to?