Ever have one of those nights of racing were nothing seems to go right? Man that was rougher than usual :mad

Hope everything is ok with you Jason, didn't see you at the races.
I'm fine. I had a chance to go and help field a big race car at I-70 and couldn't pass it up. See everyone tonight at the meeting.:thumbsup:

Jason,

That is an awsome race track, first time I was their Mark Martin was a teenager running with ASA.


later Larry

Yeah it's an awsome race track. Where else can you go run a 1/2 mile track in a low 18 sec. lap. Man that is fast.

hey fellas. just a thought from one of the road course racers. it was brought up to Matthew last Saturday that the the issue of changing the track around on Saturday nights should be discussed at your meeting tonight. right now the touring car guys have to do all the changes while the oval racers do none. i know this sounds like a sweet deal for the oval racers but as a road racer it takes about 10 - 15 minutes out of my wrench time between every round. it gives the implication that road course racers are imposing on the oval guy's racing and therefore we should have to do all the work. if that's the general consensus i can live with it, but i definitely won't be back for any more racing on Saturday nights. not trying to stir anything up but rather just throw something out there for discussion.

Hey Mark nice to hear from you. I will start back racing soon and it will be Oval only. I think you road course guys should set track for the road course then the oval guys should set it back for oval. Just my two cents. That way both parties will have the track set up for there needs. By the way do you want some of us oval guys to help carrier any of your stuff in for you. :jest:

be careful making offers like that. i'll look you up one night and have you carry all of my heavy stuff. :p

I think what bob said would be a good Idea but your going to run into some people that will not want to help. I run both and I help set up and tear down when I'm not in the next race after the road course. So I think a 50/50 thing wouldn't be a bad Idea. Or maybe they should run the road course earlier in the day and the oval at night. That way you wouldn't have to put it up and take it down.

Hey Mark you can always count on me to give you a hand. :thumbsup: Good luck with your racing and be sure you beat that Butch guy. :wave:

I agree it should be both groups of racers tearing down & seting up. I do want to say that I did help set up the oval a couple of time Saturday night & I did have to race in the next race. I'm not offended that you said something Mark, actually, I'm glad that you did. But I wanted to say that I did help. I will make sure that it is brought up.

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Good raceing sat.to bad somebody turned on their radio.At the beganing of or main.Car is ok though , no damage.If we can get 10 minutes of break after the roadcourse is torn down each round . I will help. I am going to go race at fastlane sunday, after we race Sat. Anybody else going to go up there?

I'm fine. I had a chance to go and help field a big race car at I-70 and couldn't pass it up. See everyone tonight at the meeting.:thumbsup:

I wouldn't have passed it up either.

Sorry I couldn't make the meeting lastnight. I had to work late, and didn't get home in time to make it. :mad:
My Son will be here tonight :thumbsup:

You should have stopped by we where there till 9:30 last night talking about things.

You should have stopped by we where there till 9:30 last night talking about things.

Jason...

"Talking about things".... GOOD talking or BAD talking...

Whatsup? :confused:

Any news on a website?

I've sold an L4O I built from eBay parts to Phil (the new guy that was running my "rent-a-ride" a couple of times at Ozark), so he's officially "hooked" now...

Another racer (Ron) is very eager to try oval, so on the next 'road trip', he'll probably be running my "rent-a-ride"... (Give them a free 'taste' and the'll come back for more! LOL! -- it worked on Phil, now to "hook" Ron...) :D

It'll probably be another 2-3 weeks before we can all get our schedules together, but that will mean that Marvin, Phil, Ron and I will all be down...

We had a meeting last night to discuss the rules, tech, & just how things should be run. Here is what I can remember off the top of my head.

We will run all classes according to ROAR rules.
- This includes weight, body rules, ride height, & wing rules.

All motors will be teched before qualifying starts.
- Stock motors will be dyno tested.
- 19 turns need to be brought to tech taken apart.
- Mod’s need to be OEM. (No mixing manufacturers parts)

There is now a $20.00 protest rule in effect for stock.
- If someone sees something that they don't believe is legal, they inform
the race director. It is then up to the race director to decide if that
motor needs to be looked at. If he deems it necessary, the can &
endbell will be checked, the armature will be taken out & unwound. If
any part of the motor is found to be illegal, the person in violation will
forfeit the part of the motor found to be illegal. The protestor will be
refunded the $20.00. If the motor is found to be legal. The $20.00
will be to replace anything that is destroyed.

On-Road Guys set up the On-Road track & Oval guys set up the Oval track.

The computer is set up for 3 minutes between rounds. If you are not ready when it is time to start the round you will miss the round. Everyone should be through tech before the end of the prior race.

Turn marshals will be docked laps for not being in a corner at the start of the race.
- Your car & radio should be placed in the impound box immediately
after your race.


I know there is more that I am forgetting, but these are the big things that I remember. We will most likely have a 2 day oval race twice a year, one during the winter & one during the summer.

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Wow, road course guys and oval guys getting along! What time are the races suppose to start? 7pm?

We start at 6:00 PM & would like to be done by 11:00 PM. As long as we don't have computer problems & everyone is efficient with time, this shouldn't be a problem on a regular night.
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My Son will be here tonight :thumbsup:
I'm glad you got that worked out Dennis.
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I assume the unwinding of the armature is a "last resort" sort of thing, right...? Otherwise, if you're faster than me, and I have $20, I could just keep getting your motors unwound until you give up... :devil: (Yes, I am 'teasing' a bit here, since almost ALL of you are faster than me...)

The "dyno testing" of stock motors bothers me a bit... I don't have Fantom, but I know that the high amp loads (easily in excess of 60 Amps) at the start of a "pull" are a little hard on the comm/brushes... I doubt it's a big deal, but since I'm not used to the dyno, I just wondered...

Also -- I'm curious... What sort of numbers will be 'legal' or 'illegal' on the dyno testing...??

The good side is I get a FREE dyno test of my motor! If I got to keep the detailed printout, that could be sort of cool! Hey! Maybe I LIKE this rule...! :D

I'm also assuming motors will be marked after the dyno test (like the 'nailpolish' mark at Chilli?) for ID during the night...? And that someone will be available to dyno/tech motors between rounds to allow for motor changes....?

SORRY for being a 'pest', but because of the 'road trip' involved, I want to make sure I know as much as possible in advance...

Thanks to all for you help...

Yes, unwinding will most likely be a last resort, the race director will make the final decision weather or not the motor even needs looked at. So if someone gets "protest happy" the race director will most likely not allow the protest.

If someone doesn't want their motor dynoed then it will be taken apart, if they don't what it take apart they will not run it.

Legal #'s are up to Matthew. If he see's something that he thinks is illegal, he will take the motor apart & look for tampering.

I have been taking all of my motors that I think I might run up there before we start racing. Matthew hates to see me coming because he knows that I will have a lot of motors for him.

Yes the motors are painted using nail polish like Billy does at Chilli.

I have been taking all of my motors that I think I might run up there before we start racing. Matthew hates to see me coming because he knows that I will have a lot of motors for him.

Ah... The old "Here - tech these 20 motors while I go get the rest of them" trick, huh?... LOL! :D

Thanks for the info...

All that stuff sounds great, but. To me it looks like you are running a national event every week. I know there has to be rules. 3 minutes between heats is fine, except when somebody takes a little more than that because the turnout is low and you're running ahead of schedule. Then later somebody needs a little extra and you don't wait.
The motor tech is fine for us guys coming down because we are well prepared to race when we get there. If a guy gets there late, he has to get his motors teched before he races. 19t turn has to be pulled apart then teched and then put back together.
The $20 rule is good. We talked about that at Pontoon and came up the idea that 4 of us would put up $5 a piece to have a motor looked at. We could usually tell who to look at.

We decided that if there were not very many heats we would take a longer break between rounds. We all know that it takes 30 to 40 minutes to charge a pack these days so we have to have time for that. I know what you mean about people getting there late, it will be tough for people who get there late but we will have to deal with that somehow.

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There has to be rules and they have to be inforced, but it has to fun too.
I think if there is a protest rule, you put the money up, then the motor is openned up. Doesn't matter if the race director thinks it looks ok or not. If somebody thinks something doesn't look right, then plop the money down and look.

I'm affraid that that will allow way too much protesting to go on just because someone has it in for someone else. I don't think we want to see three or four protests every weekend. Maybe this won't happen, but it is possible. All anyone has to do is go look at lap times & you'll have an idea from that.

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I would rather see a motor buy out rule, you put up $35.00 or $40.00 and the motor is yours to do what you want. You can run it or can tare it down its up to the the guy that bought it. You would get to take your springs and brushes out and keep those but the motor goes bye bye. :D
Of course this will never happen here. :roll:

We talked about that too, but if it is an illegal motor, the person that claimed it could be running illegal & not know it. Worse than that he might know it & still run it. Most guys would make it know if they found out it was illegal but some might not either. This way, if it is illegal, it will never be run again. If it is legal then the person that protests it will be out a little more than a new arm.

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The system you have know is up to the director to dicide if the motor is tore down or not, even if it is protested. With the motor buy it you now have the motor in question to expose it or run it if it is legal. If you chose to run it knowing it is illegal that would be at the racers risk, it is the racers responeabilty to make sure he is legal. :wave:

That is correct. The race director is not going to allow a motor to be torn down if it doesn't need to be. But on the other hand, he is not going to want an illegal motor to be run at his track. You know as well as I do Bob, that there are people that would claim a motor & run it knowing full well that it is not legal. The rule we have now will eliminate that motor & there is no chance it will ever run again. It also punishes the person at fault by labeling them a cheater & they have to buy a new arm, can or endbell to replace whatever was not legal.

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If I protest a motor and put up $20.00 then I should be able to request the motor be tore down and it be tore down reguardless of what the racer director says. I don't think your going to have a bunch of protest when its going to cost $20.00 to place that protest. What I am saying is if a racer thinks someone is cheating and is willing to put up the money and make a public protest then the motor should be tore down and not up to the race director.

.......I don't think your going to have a bunch of protest when its going to cost $20.00 to place that protest..........
It could still happen.

This is what we voted on & we will have another meething in a couple of months to see what/if anything needs to change.
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Don't get me wrong the rules you have are better than what was there before and I think its great that you all got together and voted them in place. I have not been racing and really don't have any say in it. But I do have a opinon and I have given it for what its worth. I will be back racing in a while and maybe I can express my feelings at the next meeting. It just seems to me that the racer has no say in the matter, its still up to the race director on whats tore down. Seems like we had that before. :wave:

Don't get me wrong the rules you have are better than what was there before and I think its great that you all got together and voted them in place. I have not been racing and really don't have any say in it. But I do have a opinon and I have given it for what its worth.

2 cents!!!!!!!!!!!!:jest:


sorry Bob I had to do that. lol

No offence to Gene but we didn't really have a race director before. He set up the heats & mains, ran the computer, & sold parts. He was burned out & didn't want to mess with that stuff. I've said it before & I'll say it again, I have a lot of respect for Gene & what he did for us over the years, but he did not want to deal with that stuff & that was fine. Matthew is more than willing to deal with it. He does not want cheating to go on at his track & he doesn't car who is doing it, he wants to make sure that the accusations stop all together. These rules will help tremendously with that.

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Hey Brent you know that I want to see the new place succede and I am very happy with the rules that are in place. Just giving my opinon on the matter. You know eveyone has one of those there just like , never mind I can't say that. :jest:
See you all soon. :wave:

I know Bob, I'm not mad at you, I just want everyone to see it my way. :lol:

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Now this is just my 2 cents from when I got to run things at Pontoon. I have seen and heard a lot of things from those days. I know that guys have been legal but somebody is going to complain that somebody is too fast, he is cheating. I have seen the way some guys have cheated.
You can't just watch lap times because I have seen guys that can throttle drive and pace others. When I ran the modified dirt race a couple of weeks ago I was running a 9 single and had trouble in the qualifiers and didn't get to run the car for 4 minutes. In the main I just let the TQ guy take off and paced him for 3 minutes, had a crash, pulled the throttle and caught back up and paced again. My lap times when I paced him were the same as his because I was right behind him.

When you guys dyno the motors, you don't check springs and brushes right? Well, I have seen guys change brushes and springs to detune the motor, then change back for the races. If you dyno right out of the car it would be a better way to tech. We used a stock cop that was made by Comp Electronics. One race we had we, we pulled a surprise tech with the stock cop AFTER the A-main because we knew a guy was cheating. Some how he went from TQ to dropping out of the main. We still tech all cars and caught him. He was a real nice guy, knew he was caught, and nobody made it into a big deal. Never cheated again, wasn't that fast again either, but everybody felt more comfortable racing with him. Funny thing was, he cheated to win, then dropped out because he thought he would get caught, knowing he would lose the race. Why cheat????

I was at Pontoon for over 10 years and have seen a lot. Good thing you guys aren't running spec stuff.
I know you guys have had problems with weather guys are legal.

OK, maybe that was more than 2 cents.

4 1/2 cents. lol

Dyno tested motors is waste of time for weekly club racing you need rules But it is very important to also Keeping club racing FUN are you will slowly lose racers we seen this at pontoon. Protest rule OK but need to be more than $20.00. I R/C Race For FUN if is not going to be FUN I will not Race. PS I do not have 2 cents Ha Ha.:wave:

i can vouch for marks statment...that truely did happen....i dont have 2 cents either

IF you have a public protest rule it is TORE DOWN it should not be up to the race Director are the Is BIg waste of time. :roll:

BOB Cole Cheating NO Way:jest: :wave:

Hey M.K. that was at least a dime's worth. :wave:

:wave: :wave:

I had some change left in my pocket.:)

Hi guy's. I read some of your posts to clarify the $20. Protest rule in effect for stock. If you think someone is cheating put up the money and he or she will be torn down. The race director will control the person to gets a little free with the protest rule. As for dyno testing that was just for comparison to give us some numbers to go by. We don't intend to let people get crazy with this it will take time to work it all out. Please be patient it's for the best.

You should have stopped by we where there till 9:30 last night talking about things.

I wished I could've made it, but I started at 6:00 am and didn't get done til
around 6:00pm. By the time i got home and all, I was beat, had a rough day.
I'll make the next one though. :thumbsup:

I'm glad you got that worked out Dennis.
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Thanks, He got here safe and sound and tired from the long bus ride.. :o

Hi guy's. I read some of your posts to clarify the $20. Protest rule in effect for stock. If you think someone is cheating put up the money and he or she will be torn down. The race director will control the person to gets a little free with the protest rule. As for dyno testing that was just for comparison to give us some numbers to go by. We don't intend to let people get crazy with this it will take time to work it all out. Please be patient it's for the best.

I can not beleive Paul West is on here, its about time. :wave: Thanks for the clarification, see you soon.

Dyno tested motors is waste of time for weekly club racing you need rules But it is very important to also Keeping club racing FUN are you will slowly lose racers we seen this at pontoon. Protest rule OK but need to be more than $20.00. I R/C Race For FUN if is not going to be FUN I will not Race. PS I do not have 2 cents Ha Ha.:wave:

I would have to agree with Mark. The fee should be a little higher at least $25.00 because the chance of a bad arm to replace the good arm is very high. that way if the first one you buy to replace the other one is bad, you have a little money left over to buy another one.


And I have a lot of change. :lol:

WE?:lol: :roll: :lol: