Novack GT-7 =$140.00
4 stock brushed motors =$120.00
misc. Brushes and springs =$60.00
total to conservatively race a indoor season =$320.00





1 $230.00 Novack brushless motor system =Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:

I would love to get a brushless system but man their expencive! :cry: :eek:

No more expensive then a new high end ESC and brushed mod motor (as shown above).

No more expensive then a new high end ESC and brushed mod motor (as shown above).
Thank you almighty hankster!! :jest:

I know but I already have everything except for the 4 motors.

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Please stay on topic and take this private conversation to email. Thanks.

Please stay on topic and take this private conversation to email. Thanks.

I was able to talk with Charlie from Novak this weekend at the Paved Oval Nats, as well as watch the cars run and talk to the drivers as well. Novak brought several systems for a demonstration class and allowed those that wanted to run the system a chance to without having to purchase it.

I was very impressed with the system, they ran flawlessly and all the drivers that I talked to that were running them said that it was great. Most said that they were probably going to get one.

The system that Novak brought was the 5800 and the cars were withing 1 lap of the 19 turn cars, pretty impressive.

I'm going to do some more research and will probably join the Brushless generation.

There seems to be lots of false rumors about these systems, like being able to go in and change all the setting, according to Novak, NOT possible.

I would personally rather spend my time working on the chassis than rebuilding a motor and hope that it is a good one.

That would probably keep me in the sport, but I want some proof that there's no tinkering or if there is I wanna know how.

Thats just outdoor racing though. Im sad to say that I cant make my sedan go as fast with a brushless as it will with brushed. I can gain a lap or so by using a stock brushed rather that a 4 cell brushless set up. Its actually slower and heavier but its faster on the lap timer. And thats what counts.

:confused: Why would you run 4 cells in a sedan? Is the oval 4-cell disease spreading to touring cars? :devil:

:confused: Why would you run 4 cells in a sedan? Is the oval 4-cell disease spreading to touring cars? :devil:

IMHO To keep sedan from getting anymore expensive it may have to go to 4-cell. think of all the more money you would save on broken a-arms and how much longer would the tires last. Run time is not a issue anymore also how much closer would racing be.

Off subject I know so I step off ther soap box

Ok...We dont have a mod sedan class at our track. Our indoor carpet track is decent size but you have to have a huge track to take advantage of mod set up. So the brushless guys are forced to either run 6 cell with each other. Or run 4 cell and run with the stock brushed guys. We found that you can make a 4 cell brushless go faster (low end and top end) than a stock motor set-up. But with the loss of the weight from the other two cells, you cant put the power to the ground and the car is unstable.

We were approx. a 25 or 26 pinion on stock brushed set-up and with the brushless we ended up running between a 39 to a 43 pinion. Those numbers are different with every car of course. But instead of the motor getting hot and losing torque, it just got faster and had more torque.

The brushed set-up has the advantage of drag from the motor to slow you when entering a corner. The brushless is completely free spinning. No drag.

Sorry this is off topic,
But is allen going to allow brushless again this year, infrontracing? Later--Zack

Charlie From novak said it was imposible to change the setting on these units. I find that nothing is imposible. Leave it to americain ingenuity and shortly there will be a web site than you can download software or buy instruction or the the unit in for tweaking. Just Like cable boxes or copyrighted software. there is a way I'm sure just give it time

Charlie From novak said it was imposible to change the setting on these units. I find that nothing is imposible. Leave it to americain ingenuity and shortly there will be a web site than you can download software or buy instruction or the the unit in for tweaking. Just Like cable boxes or copyrighted software. there is a way I'm sure just give it time
If the program is hardcoded on the processor chip, well, then yes it would be impossible to modify without physically changing the chip on the board. As for pirating it, then again, granted enoug time and resources, someone would probably be able to come up with a modified board. Would it be worth it, moneywise, is another thing. You would need a sizable bit of engineering, capability to modify SMT devices and on...

Martin Paradis

why not have novak make a checker.... something to hook up to it to make siuire it still holds the factory settings.. ie power ect.. would be easy to do that

I hope brushless becomes the industry standard for racing period.

I have the Novak system since it was first available and I would say it currently has around 350-400 packs through it. (i run offroad truck) Last weekend I finally had to do some motor maintenance... The bearing in the endcap gave up the mustard. I replaced the bearing, (about 5 minutes worth of work) and was back out in no time. I had to rob the bearing from a worn out brushed motor. So my total cost with the brushless system for the year or so I have owned it is only the initial cost of the purchace. The bearing was free. :p Over that time frame, my driving has improved considerability. Less motor maintenance = more time tweaking the rest of the car = better driver = less breaking parts = more fun!!

I would like to also mention that the motor has never droped off on power. It has ran consisentaly (sp?) pack after pack, week after week, and month after month. Novak did a superb job with this system.

we have been running 6-cell novak 5800 in pan cars sat our track since the summer of 2003. we started a class shortly after the systems came out on the market. we have ran on 200 ft.concrete banked and 225ft. flat carpet.
from what we have noticed the novak in limited mode is still faster than stock brushed motors. we have had no failures with the system in the pan cars. we have noticed that the car will hesitate at times when you accelerate of the corner, in limited mode only. none of us have replaced bearings since we got them. we race 2-3 weekends a month so it has had its share of runtime. we all dropped 4-5 teeth on the pinion compared to stock brushed setup.
the modified mode is quick as well. we fought forward bite issues when we tried this mode. the rear tires would spin all the way down straight. we could have changed set up probably to get it better, but it is fast enough in limited mode for most people.

i love not having to work on the motor all the time!!!!
i can concentrate on driving and set up more now.
now we just need to vote it into "arcor" for next year, how bout it jb!!

I think it will be great having a bl class, so we can concentrate on chassis setup and driving skills. I personaly had a Hacker system and it was extremely powerfull and it was great on battery life and I didn't do anything to maintain it. Hopefully the factory drivers wont be able to alter the speed controls for only their own benefit. That is my only concern since there are a couple that are at my local track.

I have been in and out of RC Car racing since 1985. I have always loved this hobby, but hated the large expense. I started out with Tamiya plastic cars (Fox, Super Shot) and moved on to racers (RC-10, Top Cat, JRx2, JRxPRO, XXX, XXX4) with lots of other RC cars in between.

I like wrenching on my cars. I have cut my own chassis out of graphite, scratch built cars from spare parts, experimented with new shock oils, wound my own motors etc. For me, half of the fun of the hobby is working on the car. Just like everybody else, I went through the process of buying graphite this, titanium that, 10+ motors, and a BOX full of tires. I thought driving fast was all about a "modified" car, with some driving skills.

I got into compeditive racing around 1988 or so. I'm from Chico Ca, which is close to Sacramento. So I used to race at the same Track as Mark and Matt Francis. I saw them on a regular basis, they were both sponsored by Team associated at the time. On one particular race, RC Mania III at Mini Wheels Indoor track in Sacramento, Matt was all about 2wd modified and stock, Mark raced 4wd. Both were totally dominant and well known even then. I remember Matt's red RC-10 speeding around the track and thinking "man that thing drives like it's on rails, I have to see what his setup is." Shortly after, I did see it... it was box-stock.

That blew my mind, no other way to describe it. I thought it was all about expensive parts and lots of $$. Matt destroyed everybody with driving skills and a perfect setup for that track. From that point on, my whole outlook on RC racing changed. All that cash I blew on my car was probably not needed. He had a car that cost 1/4 as much as mine, and beat me by 2 laps! I ended taking 1st in the Amateur class that day, Matt won 2wd, Mark won 4wd getting 15 laps, when NOBODY else did more then 14.

From then on, I started really asking myself "now, how much is this new part really going to help me?" Most of the time, the answer is not much. I have learned to dial in my car better and drive better, as well as spend less $$ on my car overall. I can tell you this much, my enjoyment of the hobby has gone way up.

These days, races last 5 min, not 4. Cars can run batteries and motors that are far too fast for most tracks, so it's more about learning to drive AT those speeds. Box stock cars are so well made that they are competitive on national levels box stock. All of this allows drivers to buy a car, and learn to set up and drive. Not throw hundreds of dollars at a setup before it's "race worthy."

The Brushless motor system is EXACTLY this same mentality. Lower overall cost, far less maintenance, and more motor then many tracks require. These are even the first generations of brushless motors! I'm married now, got a new house, lots more expenses then I had as a teenager. I have wanted to get back into RC Racing heavy for the last 3 years, but I didn't. I avoided it for ONE REASON!

I did not want to drop hundreds of dollars on motors/batteries all the time to stay competitive.

Brushless motor systems is my ticket back into RC racing. I can maintain a fast car, yet spend my money on "replacement parts" and "race registration money." I can maintain that lesson I learned from Matt Francis himself, years ago as a teenager... Get a solid car, dial it in right, and DRIVE IT.

It's my personal belief that anybody who wants to "spend extra $ and time tweeking their car" is the type of person who mainly wants an edge over everybody else, with their wallet giving them that edge. While it IS fun to win, and I DO understand that desire, I think it has a negative effect on the Hobby overall. Because people realize "If I want to have a chance at winning, I'll need to drop a grand into my stuff AFTER I buy the car." That keeps people away, and let's face it... what fun is it to win, when nobody is there to lose?

I'm 100% in favor of Brushless motor systems becoming ROAR legal for the benefit of this hobby as a whole!

Edwin Tracy
PASD BIOS Engineer
Intel Corporation

I know nothing about cutting motors let alone working on them. Sounds like the brushless system is for me!

Hi,

I'm a complete newbie. I come from the computer hobby (An always changing hobby, u can't never be completely up to date there is always something new). And brushless seem to be the new frontier for motors. If they come standard, and you can't tweak them, well then races will be won for those who tweak better the rest of the car, and the best runners.:thumbsup:

yea they are the newest things on the market, and they dont need tweaking they are way to fast for any track pretty much, so in that case it is all about driver so here is the rule. he who drives the best wins!!!!!!!!!!!

I am glad to see Brushless getting into the Roar system. It will only lead to better racing. People will be closer performance wise, you will have more time to work on car setup at the track, not getting your motor ready for another round. But the biggest thing I would like to see happen is longer race times. I think that would add more to the fun factor.

I have been into r/c since '85, and I can say I have been ready for a long time. Off to pick up my Novak SS system for my B4....

Do you guys know if the current brushless systems out there would be ROAR legal for 2005? I am/was running the Novak 4300 with 19t for three races but someone complained so I guess I have to wait :( plus it doesn't help I am the only one with one.

I guess no one knows...thats a bummer :(

Did you try emailing Novak?

Do you guys know if the current brushless systems out there would be ROAR legal for 2005? I am/was running the Novak 4300 with 19t for three races but someone complained so I guess I have to wait :( plus it doesn't help I am the only one with one.
I'm 99% sure that the ROAR specs are based exactly on the Novak systems, so they should be legal. Dawn Sanchez of ROAR stated (back on page 3) that there are 5 companies that agreed with the rules. Unfortunately, she didn't name them.