Just wanted to get some opinions on BSR Foam tires, My understanding is that the company has a New Line of foam codes.....Wanted to see if and how they compared to other companys tire foam.......
.
I know BSR no longer offers a Black foam tire..But they do offer "Gold" and "Silver"

Been told "Gold" compound is like a TRC "Black" & Silver compound is like a
Jaco "Black"....is this correct
.
I have switched to BSR tires and feel the new owner John is really promoting this hobby and giving what the racers want, Hopefully some of there team drivers can come on this thread to elaborate on the compounds.
.
Is there an updated tire chart somewhere that has these new compounds?

Bud, I run the Silver on my left front at one of the local tracks and yes it is alot like a Jaco Black. The Gold is more like a Jaco Gray to me!

Not sure if there is an updated chart anywhere. I would agree with Brooks on the tire comparisons. Where are you racing and what are you currently running for compounds?

Maybe someone can post DUROMETER readings on different tire manufacturer's compound for better comparison. Numbers wont lie.

I have been racing a large flat carpet track...Black ozite type.Was running trc black fronts and white rears....I refuse to run those Lime yellow rims anymore...I think BSR rims are the best on the market, Owner is a great guy...So I made the switch....
.
I agree with BRD..the silver seem like the old Jaco Black....Someone told me the BSR Gold is like the TRC and T/M Black....Was wondering if anyone else felt so...
.
As far as durometer's....it will give you density #'s but how about the natural rubber content...Was wondering if some of the team drivers for BSR can shed more light.....
.
The track is where the nationals were held (Radical Ricks), I saw 3 pinks and a purple work good on this track however you need to run offset,,,,That is why most run Black Fronts..White rears...straight up pod

What class are you running?

Here is what I run for stock with bsr tires
LF: Gray/silver (some people call it a white/silver)
RF: Silver
LF: White
RR: Gray or Double Gray or even a Gold (Seeing how John has a good tire selection you have 3 tires to pick from just depending on what the car is doing)

I think the 19turn guys are running:
Double Pinks and a Purple Right front!

Brooks

BSR duromoter readings
Green.....30 +/-
Blue......50 +/-
White.....30 +/-
Gray......35/40 +/-
Pink......30 +/-
Double Pink...35 +/-
Purple....40 +/-
Double Purple.45 +/-
Red.......40/45 +/-
Gold......40 +/-
Silver....45 +/-

I run 19T........At the nationals I saw some
team guys running 3 pinks and a purple....But I think they were running offset....
I havent purchased any Offset rear hubs and since my cars handles real good with Blacks and white in straight up pod....Was wondering If any of BSR's stuff was close to the TRC stuff....so My setup would stay the same.....

I think that white and silver may work! I think the TRC white is about 2 or 3 points lower then the BSR whites.

Bud, Just let me know what track your running at and I'll do my best to help you out. I have been running BSR's for the last 5 years on all different tracks.

Later,
Rick Liehr

all of the guys i know either run 3 pinks and a purple in 19t

and in stock 3 whites and a gray right front, seem to work.. i have seen guys use pinks and purple, but some think they are a bit to agressive for stock....


this is on all of our flat tracks

ok good questions..

i recently switched from jacos to bsr tires.
i switched because i got to talk to john foister and he is one cool dude!
his rims are awesome as well as his gluing process. the foam stays on the rim!

now when i switched from 3 jaco pinks and a jaco black front to bsr foams i ran into problems.

first off..bsr pinks are softer than a jaco pink in my oppinion. sooo let me say this when i ran 3 jaco pinks and a black i went 56 4:00:67 at minnreg local carpet track..i just got to go back there with bsr tires for the 1st time. i struggled finding speed with 3 bsr pinks and a purple..a friend of mine told me about the pink deal..so i switched to 3 bsr double pinks and a bsr purple right front! my god what a difference! 56 4:02.57 with 3 double pinks and a purple..that is for 19 turn

i'm not so sure talking with john that the silvers or golds are jaco blacks? he has told me time and again that he does not have black fronts? and i have yet to try something like 3 double pinks and a silver or a gold? i have been told by john that a white lr a grey rr a gold lf and a silver rf works well also? i will try this combo next.

if john could change one thing i wish he would call his double pinks pink and his pinks a platinum or something like that? if you can find a trc platinum and duro it i think it's real close to a bsr pink? outside on slippery tracks i run a pink lr and a double pink rr works well... hope this helps..i'll run bsr tires with alot more confidence now..it's very hard asking every tire manufacturer to label there tires the same...but it does casue confusion for the racer..in the end that tire durometer is priceless...mainly my fault..but i got it worked out now... if you want quality and like black rims than bsr is awesome!

Kat...what did the single pinks due?...bog the car down.....to tight.....Did the double pinks really loosen her up or just a little.......is this a flat ozite carpet track?.....I Agree with you Kat....John is a standup guy....Not many people in the northeast run BSR....That along with refusing to bolt those Lime green yellow crap TRC rims on my car are the reasons I made the switch......Best looking rim on the market today and I have yet to see the foam peel off.....

bud the double pinks put the car on top of the carpet again..i cant tell you how much of a difference they made! night and day..no matter what i did i was turning 4.4's put on the double pinks 4.2's with some 1's ...the pinks are just a tad too soft..flat carpet snowbird lay out..fact it is 03 snowbird carpet..04's was garbage so we keep using 03's..lol if john is at a race you attend you all need to go by and say hi..check out his tires while your at it..sometimes he has been known to help racers out..if ya know what i mean... great quality tires...great customer service...

Bud,

I was the only guy running BSR tires in the 19t turn A-main at Radical Ricks I ran 3 pinks and a purple/orange right front. At snowbirds I run the same but use a dbl purple rt front.

As for the silver/gold issue: It is a tire that only John at BSR has. Jaco and TRC have nothing like it. Silver and gold are the same compound of tire but silver is just ruffly 10 points harder. Sliver/Gold do not have the bite that a dbl Grey or Pink tire have. I feel that it is a good tire to run in stock and my be 19t on the rt front only. Fact of the matter Silver/Gold just does not have a lot of bite to it so what ever corner you put that tire on you are going to be taking traction away. I know Dusty Kemp won the ROAR nats in WI with golds on the right side of his car.

I would love to switch to bsr foams but we run 1/12 scale and have to run what we can find. is there a Florida or an internet sorce for these tires. I like Kat was at minnreg last week and had the fastest 1/12 scale 19 turn car there running white rears and black fronts the car would turn 4.3s but would like to have additional options.any ideas.

I would love to switch to bsr foams but we run 1/12 scale and have to run what we can find. is there a Florida or an internet sorce for these tires. I like Kat was at minnreg last week and had the fastest 1/12 scale 19 turn car there running white rears and black fronts the car would turn 4.3s but would like to have additional options.any ideas.

Try rc4less.com as well as www.aaamodel.com as hey have mail order service.

you do know bsr has new rims coming out for the 12th scale cars right? i should have some for the raffle july 24th..

As for the silver/gold issue: It is a tire that only John at BSR has. Jaco and TRC have nothing like it. Silver and gold are the same compound of tire but silver is just ruffly 10 points harder. Sliver/Gold do not have the bite that a dbl Grey or Pink tire have. I feel that it is a good tire to run in stock and my be 19t on the rt front only. Fact of the matter Silver/Gold just does not have a lot of bite to it so what ever corner you put that tire on you are going to be taking traction away. I know Dusty Kemp won the ROAR nats in WI with golds on the right side of his car.
Monti is right about the Silver and Golds.
A BSR Gold durometers the same as a BSR Gray but has less bite.

On banked tracks like Classic and Sandhills I always used to run a Jaco Black on the LF and RR in stock. When I switched to BSR, I tried the Silver on the LF, and it worked out great. I tried running the Silver on the RR but even though it was a tad softer than the Jaco Black it would not bite as hard and the car got loose. I dropped to the Gold and all was fixed, the car remained free and fast.

John explained on a post I read a while back by him that the Gold and Silver family of foam was very similar to the old BSR blue rear foam.

I copied one of John's posts a while back

Per John Foister:
Green and blue are the traditional american made foam. All others are imported. White and gray are same foam with differing firmness. Longer wear than american made. Pink / purple family has higher rubber content therefore longer wear.
Gold and silver are simular to white and gray family but firmer. Testing so far has shown a gray at 39 and a gold at 39 to be very close but the gold has slightly less bite. The samples we have been testing and sending out to some show that these compounds may fill the void of the previous american blue foam but with an imported price. Altough I think you will see the american foam pricing rise somewhat when everyones inventory is used up and they reorder. So far I have found that the american foam pricing is catching up with the imported foam.

I have nothing like Jaco's black and he is the only one with it presently. Therefore I am not going to maskarade something else with a black sticker. Bsr's previous black was actually gray and gray was actually xx pink. Bsr gray was switched from xxpink to industry standard gray about a year ago.
__________________________________________________ _____________________
I spoke with John last week and it seems the Green foam he was using will no longer be available. There will be some testing on some new foam soon.

ok here is a cool idea for those who dont want to spend a ton of money to figure out a combonation that works..

lets post what works for us and on what type of track.

flat carpet oval snowbird type carpet. double pink rf double pink lr double pink rr and purple rf ... works awesome!

i will only post what i know runs well..that is a set-up that can run up front..

I've never had a problem getting 3 pinks (LF, LR, RR) and a purple (RF) to work in 19t and mod. The first time I used John's tires was at the Region 5 Oval Champs and I qualified 4th in the "A" in 19t. I also used the same tires to miss Monti's track record at Summit in Fort Wayne. The Talbot had to come and raise it again.

What does everyone do for traction additives? Only used Ground Effects on oval. I've always done full ears and full left front and half right front. I think it keeps the chassis setup more consistent. I also clean with lighter fluid after each use if traction is starting to build up. Any thoughts?

Brian Anthony

i run rr gray lr white lf gray and rf 3/4 purple 1/4 hard blue. i did try the three pinks but never liked it. maybe i need to try double pinks instead. one track is 175ft the other is 137ft this is what works for me. i hope there is more feed back on the silver and gold.

xpressman..thankfully florida and all it's indoor tracks decided long ago to ban all the smelly crap! we use jack the gripper,traction action,niftech and tq orange..i personally use jack the gripper and love the stuff! i have tried nif tech and tq orange as well..no traction issues same car full 4 minutes..we all like the idea of leaving the track smelling like nachos and pizza and not ben gay! he he i treat 3 tires the same all the way and do the rf lightly..the purple rf comes in after a minute or so... keep the set-ups coming..

Classic Hobbies
190' runline, approx 20 degrees banking in the turns and 11 degree straights:
Stock:
LF: Silver
RF: Blue
LR: White
RR: Gold

19T same accept Gray RR

Small tight bullring flat oval
LF: White
RF: Gray/Silver mix
LR: White
RR: Gray, White if low bite

Compound: Jack da Griper

xpressman..thankfully florida and all it's indoor tracks decided long ago to ban all the smelly crap! we use jack the gripper,traction action,niftech and tq orange..i personally use jack the gripper and love the stuff! i have tried nif tech and tq orange as well..no traction issues same car full 4 minutes..we all like the idea of leaving the track smelling like nachos and pizza and not ben gay! he he i treat 3 tires the same all the way and do the rf lightly..the purple rf comes in after a minute or so... keep the set-ups coming..

Have you tried Traction Action by Paragon yet? Works the same as Ground Effects and it even evaporates the same so traction doesn't build up like Jack and TQ stuff.

well yes i have tried it..i personally have had no luck with it yet? could you post how you apply it and how long you let it set on your tires before you go out?

well yes i have tried it..i personally have had no luck with it yet? could you post how you apply it and how long you let it set on your tires before you go out?

I think part of it might be it doesn't mix well with Jack or TQ. I know at one of the local tracks that runs mainly runs TQ it seemed to work fine. That was an onroad only place. At the track I race oval at where everyone used Paragon before I really couldn't tell much of a different.

When I apply it I pretty much soak the whole surface so it looks wet but not dripping wet. Usually do it about 2 races before I woudl have to go to tech. So if I am race 4 I would dope right before race 1. Let it sit and then wipe before race 3, and then scrub the crap out of all the tires to make sure they are completely dry.

The only thing is I haven't had a chance to use Traction Action on a really dark groove track yet.

FYI to all racers. Try and get in the same habit of putting on dope weather it is practice, club race, or a national. This way it will be most consistent and you can tell if the traction compound might be added earlier or later.

GK tires have black front and rear black foams.www.gktires@aol.com.

Just wanted to get some opinions on BSR Foam tires, My understanding is that the company has a New Line of foam codes.....Wanted to see if and how they compared to other companys tire foam.......
.
I know BSR no longer offers a Black foam tire..But they do offer "Gold" and "Silver"

Been told "Gold" compound is like a TRC "Black" & Silver compound is like a
Jaco "Black"....is this correct
.
I have switched to BSR tires and feel the new owner John is really promoting this hobby and giving what the racers want, Hopefully some of there team drivers can come on this thread to elaborate on the compounds.
.
Is there an updated tire chart somewhere that has these new compounds?

So.. the foam chart on the BSR website is wrong then ? They are still listing:


B2460

Front mounted, Black

$24.85 pr

B2460-HB

Front mounted, Hard Black

$24.85 pr

B2458

Rear mounted, Black

$28.85 pr

B2458-HB

Rear mounted, Hard Black

$28.85 pr


Thx.

Jeff
Those are incorrect. I dont think the foam codes have been updated since John took over.

When John did take over he posted over these compounds over on the r/c conference.

BSR duromoter readings
Green.....30 +/-
Blue......50 +/-
White.....30 +/-
Gray......35/40 +/-
Pink......30 +/-
Double Pink...35 +/-
Purple....40 +/-
Double Purple.45 +/-
Red.......40/45 +/-
Gold......40 +/-
Silver....45 +/-

Gk This Is A Bsr Discussion Thread!! Take The Geek Tire Propaganda To Your Own Thread! Thank You Drive Through!

Just bringing it TTT. Lots of good info on here guys. I just recently joined the team & am very excited. Good luck to Team BSR at the birds. :thumbsup:

__________________
Brent Pearcy
Bulit Motorsports (http://www.bulitmotorsports.com/), TQCells (http://www3.sympatico.ca/tqcells/), BSR Racing Tires (http://www.bsr-racing.com/)

the strand r/c mcadoo pa is a flat small oval i run3 whites and a silver right front! :thumbsup:

What is BSR's website address?

REx

The site is www.bsr-racing.com.

DW

Anyone running stock at the birds better take 3 whites and a grey/silver RF cause they worked really well in TN this weekend. Those were the tires that broke the stock record and won the A-main.

Good luck,
Rick Liehr

If the track gets as much traction as it had last year they may want to goto a straight SILVER RF, a GRAY/Silver LF and WHITE rears. I ran that at a high traction track in Hatboro PA and the car was the best with that combo.

bsrs tqed and won the a at the strand r/c center this weekend running 64 402.00 in the a thats freckin fast!!!!!!! thanks bsr!!!

I'm wondering how to loosen up my car with tires what corner do you start at LF-RF-LR-RR I'm switching to BSR's from JACO's Burbs had suggested to me at a race to try three whites and a gray on the RF I run on a flat track one at 145' and the other at 200' stock four cell oval, thanks guy's

My car seems to like grey/silver RF, grey LF, white LR, Grey RR. Shock oils/springs also play into the combo.

I'm wondering how to loosen up my car with tires what corner do you start at LF-RF-LR-RR I'm switching to BSR's from JACO's Burbs had suggested to me at a race to try three whites and a gray on the RF I run on a flat track one at 145' and the other at 200' stock four cell oval, thanks guy's

Chuck - I just joined BSR and the first day out TQ'ed and set a track record on them. The track is a 125 run line flat carpet, the combo that ran the best was a silver RF
green LF
Gray RR
White LR
If your trying to loosen up the car I'd suggest trying a variety of rear tires starting with the LR and moving to the RR if the LR isn't enough. If your trying to free up the car try harder tires on the RF and RR, this is assuming that your happy with your current chassis set up. I hope this helps. Please post to let us all know how the car is. If you need any other info, ask away.
Doug P.

I like 3 gray & silver/gray RF in 4 cell stock.

I like 3 gray & silver/gray RF in 4 cell stock.

Me too.

Hi Chuck, If you can give us some info on what tires you have had success with in other brands we can give ya some choices in BSR. Different prople use the term free up for different things. Give use some info on tight(pushy-shoves nose with steering locked left), loose(back end sliding out). Do these conditions exist on entry, exit or middle of corner. A good working car should turn in with little or no lifting of the throttle and be wot from center out. From center out you should be coming off the wheel not still holding the wheel locked left, that way if you need to turn under a car coming off you can.

John I've been using Jaco's LF-green RF-purple LR-black RR-aqua on the 200' track and on the 145' track LF-pink RF-green LR-black RR-black anything to make it stick but now I need to go faster and I hear loose is fast and that's where I need to go now. The car is tight going in and coming out in fact I can hear the motor slow down lot's in the middle of the turn when I exit the turn the car will move to the inside of the turn about 2 to 3 inches without any steering input it seems to graband go.

I'm running a KSG slider offset pod. I had wolf red spring on the RF and a green on the LF. At the last race I went to a lot harder on the front springs to try to loosen it up which I think helped some they are purple RF and a black LF but I think I'll gain more with tires than springs.
Thanks for taking the time to try to get me going in the right direction. Hope this is enough information if not I'll add to it.

If you are interested in staying with Jaco, you can try the following:
LF Black, RF Black, RR Gray, LR White. Use this set-up with the Red RF spring and the Green LF spring. This set-up with compound on all 4 tires will be very aggressive turning. I run this in stock on most flat ozite carpeted tracks. Hope that helps......

John I've been using Jaco's LF-green RF-purple LR-black RR-aqua on the 200' track and on the 145' track LF-pink RF-green LR-black RR-black anything to make it stick but now I need to go faster and I hear loose is fast and that's where I need to go now. The car is tight going in and coming out in fact I can hear the motor slow down lot's in the middle of the turn when I exit the turn the car will move to the inside of the turn about 2 to 3 inches without any steering input it seems to graband go.

I'm running a KSG slider offset pod. I had wolf red spring on the RF and a green on the LF. At the last race I went to a lot harder on the front springs to try to loosen it up which I think helped some they are purple RF and a black LF but I think I'll gain more with tires than springs.
Thanks for taking the time to try to get me going in the right direction. Hope this is enough information if not I'll add to it.Try this:
Gray/Silver or Gray RF
White LF
White or Gray LR
Gray RR

I think you'll be very happy with BSR rubber & the wheels are the best ever made!!

__________________
Brent Pearcy
Bulit Motorsports (http://www.bulitmotorsports.com/), TQCells (http://www3.sympatico.ca/tqcells/), BSR Racing Tires (http://www.bsr-racing.com/), SROC Racing (http://www.geocities.com/s_roc_racing)

John I've been using Jaco's LF-green RF-purple LR-black RR-aqua on the 200' track and on the 145' track LF-pink RF-green LR-black RR-black anything to make it stick but now I need to go faster and I hear loose is fast and that's where I need to go now. The car is tight going in and coming out in fact I can hear the motor slow down lot's in the middle of the turn when I exit the turn the car will move to the inside of the turn about 2 to 3 inches without any steering input it seems to graband go.

I'm running a KSG slider offset pod. I had wolf red spring on the RF and a green on the LF. At the last race I went to a lot harder on the front springs to try to loosen it up which I think helped some they are purple RF and a black LF but I think I'll gain more with tires than springs.
Thanks for taking the time to try to get me going in the right direction. Hope this is enough information if not I'll add to it.

Chuck we are running 3 whites and a gray RF or gray/silver RF with lots of luck in 19 turn and stock in Lansing. If its still too tight put a gray on the RR, if its too loose, put a gray on the LF. I've tried evry other combo, and at our track its as good as it can get. I've used pinks and purples, but the whites and grays are faster.

So if you get a pair of white fr, grey fr, white r, grey r, grey/silver fr. you'll be set on tires for months.

Putting harder springs on the front will promote more push! Try softer springs for more turn in.