Just wanted to start a new thread for any questions about Kisbey motors or KSG cars.

Congrads to Kisbey/KSG Factory driver Gary Hamiliton who just TQd and won the Norrca nats out in Cali. 4 of the top 5 were Kisbey/KSG powered!! Good job guys!!

EA

The KSG car comes with an adjustable center shock mount, what is the effect gained by moving the mounting point either higher or lower? Is the swaybar kit helpful on most flat tracks? Would you reccomend running rear steer @ the Macon track? What do you accomplish by putting a spacer under the front pivot ball of the t-plate? Looks like I am going to be your only (Team Blue) running partner in 19t @ Echeconnee so maybe we can help each other out a little.......

Eric, bring a bi-level wing to Macon with you, you may need it

Raising the shock mounting hole up will make give the front end of the car more bite by transferring more weight to the front tires.

The sway bar kit works real good on flat tracks that are slightly bumpy. It allows you to run softer springs to get over the bumps better but it doesnt allow the car to dump over on the RF and either push from being collapsed or loose from too much bite.

I would run rear steer at any track that you apex the straight aways pretty hard...meaing you usually dont really drive the car straight.

I have always been told that puting shims under the front ball with give you more forward traction off the corner. Ive never really noticed a difference though!!

See ya this weekend!!
EA

do they have a website????

www.kisbeymodifieds.com (http://www.kisbeymodifieds.com) and www.ksgmotorsports.com (http://www.ksgmotorsports.com)

EA

thanks

Hey EA... Congrats to Gary on the sweep of the Nats! I don't know who is doing the KSG web site but it is pretty awesome.

I think modified is doing it....Same person that does the arcor site I think....but dont quote me on that!! LOL

How's the fishing? I need to come spend a week on the boat with ya!! Ive had enough work for a while!!

EA

Fish keep getting away, think I am going to try golf now... I have also thought about becoming a Jockey, I am down to 165 pounds but I think the 6 foot part will keep me out of the KY Derby. Come on over anyway we can still go out on the boat!! Quit work and make the wife go out and make some $$, worked for me, lol, just don't tell her I said that.

Good job with this thread, nice to see someone telling the truth!

SR

Eric
The top two were ksg followed by hyperdrive,then maverick,i think silvay ended up fifth on a ksg not to sure about 6th thru tenth?
anyway the top eight cars were all fast and and super clean racing pretty much thru out the whole weekend.
anyway we are all friends and had a great weekend of racing!
see ya in Vegas.

Eric
The top two were ksg followed by hyperdrive,then maverick,i think silvay ended up fifth on a ksg not to sure about 6th thru tenth?
anyway the top eight cars were all fast and and super clean racing pretty much thru out the whole weekend.
anyway we are all friends and had a great weekend of racing!
see ya in Vegas.
Thanks for pointing that out!! I wasnt sure of the complete finishing order just qualifing.

EA

I have been using Kisbey 19T's for about a year Now......Only motors I run.....Spoke to Dave Kisbey several times for help on tweeking...Guy is very Helpfull and his motors
are top notch....Kisbey Modifieds are first rate....

EA, Are you going to make the Custom Works Race in Delaware later in June ....The turnout is going to be very good to say the least........


Congrats to Kisbey and Gary its not a surprise to me ...

SRM

Racket,

I saw that you called. I will try and get back in touch tonight. I was in CLT all weekend and have been busy at work. Whats the race scene for the weeeknd?

Got Delivered, Racings out for me this weekend Its graduation for Cornell ....PITY huh .I am in for some racing next weekend .....I did race last weekend and the racing was very good to me TQ and win in 19turn at the mushroom bowl ......The KSG ride is ready for either the Mill or Acorn for next weekend .....Lets put everything in the Bling Bling mobile and head somewhere.....Talk to ya tonight SRM

Racket,

Negative on the next weekend scene. My oval interest is nonexistant. I think I am going to do alittle nitro offroad for the summer. Shout at me later I should be at la casa.

Anyone have the the little bump steer piece in stock, also looking for glass T bars (.063 straight and bias) thanks!

Mike m
Try Murdock he usually has the toe corrector and t-plates in stock.

Raising the shock mounting hole up will make give the front end of the car more bite by transferring more weight to the front tires.

The sway bar kit works real good on flat tracks that are slightly bumpy. It allows you to run softer springs to get over the bumps better but it doesnt allow the car to dump over on the RF and either push from being collapsed or loose from too much bite.

I would run rear steer at any track that you apex the straight aways pretty hard...meaing you usually dont really drive the car straight.

I have always been told that puting shims under the front ball with give you more forward traction off the corner. Ive never really noticed a difference though!!

See ya this weekend!!
EA

Eric, if you want to call and talk about set up my # is 478 256 2032. I have informed "Team Red" that we will be whoopin them pretty bad and that crying towels will be available at a reduced price after the race. That being said we are going to be busy friday:)

Man, win a few weekly races and starts his own thread. Talk about someones head getting big. LOL!!!!!:)

Murdock does have the toe correctors in stock and ready to ship. He also will have somemore of the D&J CONCEPTS Crossbraces for the KSG.

Can you notice any difference with the toe correctors?And what would they be? And what benefit is the D&J Crossbrace? Thanks

Slider ,We use the toe corrector when raising the castor block t the top on the left side ...This will get rid of the bump steeer in that postion ....

The D and J crossbrace I have not tried Andy modified the KSG brace to be stronger ,hence we do not run this item ...

SRM

Is anyone running the swaybar kit on a slider chassis?I have seen them on the one piece but not the sliders.Just curios if they work on both and the results.I run on a 120ft flat bullring style track that has quite a few bumps.I usually run red front springs.

A few quick questions about things I have not played with on the KSG:

1. Will lowering the LF roll center fix a loose of condition?

2. Only run flat track so I have kept the RF roll center low all the time, but in what conditions would you raise the rf roll center?

3. Lighter side shock oil will loosen the car up, correct?

4. Will flattening out the side shocks give more turn-in?

5. Does less castor give more steering?

6. On banked tracks I have almost no experience, so what would moving the battery closer to the centerlin do?

7. Banked track: does a stiffer LF spring still give less steering off the turn? Stiffer LR spring give less steering off the turn?

These are just some things I have never played around with becuase I was unsure of the affect.

Thanks,
Michael Voccola

BMACALLISTER1---- Yes we run the sway bar on the slider cars as well. If you run red springs now .....Try running 2 white springs with thin bar ..On bumpy tracks this thing is a miracle to chassis tuning .... Another fine KSG product


SRM

I would be very interested for the answers to MObile MIke's question if anyone has them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Mike I can awnser most of the questions, but you need to know that there is no such thing as a RF and a LF roll center. The roll center is the combination of your LF and RF instant centers. Are you talking about lowering and rasing the a-arms, or using the arms independtly to change the roll center?
"1. Will lowering the LF arm fix a loose of condition?
Yes, under most circumstances it will.
2. Only run flat track so I have kept the RF arm low all the time, but in what conditions would you raise the rf arm?
When you want to lower the rollcenter to promote some chassis roll on highly bankes tracks, where you have a problem getting the RF tire to stick
3. Lighter side shock oil will loosen the car up, correct?
Somtimes yes sometimes no. I have put thicker oil in the car before to make it loose, and have also used thinner oil to make it loose. It all depends on what the car is doing. All your doing is either slowing down the rate at witch weight transfer happens, or speeding it up. It all depends on the track, tires, body, and what the car is doing.
4. Will flattening out the side shocks give more turn-in?
I have never made the shocks flatter for that reason, and have never felt more steering going in as a result. Give it a try.
5. Does less castor give more steering?
Yes
6. On banked tracks I have almost no experience, so what would moving the battery closer to the centerlin do?
Make the car less likly to rotate in the middle of the corner. I wouldnt start doing this unless its a veleodrome or somthing like that. I have run on a track very similar to BMS and we allways run the battery all the way out.
7. Banked track: does a stiffer LF spring still give less steering off the turn? Stiffer LR spring give less steering off the turn?"
Stiffer LF= tighter off. Stiffer LR shock spring= looser off.

This is all stuff that I have found and tried at one point, and can say its works for me, but it's all, most of the time, a matter of opinion. Hope this helps.

DW

(edit: made some changes)

Thankyou. I am goiong to have to try some of this stuff very soon. Going to banked track next weekend, so I will probably be making great use of it.

Thanks for the help,
Mike Voccola

Eric, Enjoyed having you down this weekend to race with us. Thanks for all of your help with my car and yes, Andy really likes what you did with his! Look forward to doing it again real soon somewhere, Maybe Henderson.

The D&J Brace is lighter and stronger. There has only been 1 brace that is known to have bent or broken and that was by Rick White of Finish Line, and he took his car home in a Wal Mart bag. There are 2 different braces, Standard and Long. The Long is 1/4" wider. Guys have been reporting success with the longer one on flat tracks. I am part owner of D&J, and we in no way mean to discredit The great car that Andy and his crew have produced. It is the only car I own.

Chris Bruch
D&J CONCEPTS

I have a Kisbey question here. I believe I heard that the KM 308 19t brush is no longer available and was wondering if that is true and if so what is the replacement brush. Thanks.

Brian Anthony

Yes that is true. The replacement everyone is using now is a Trinity 4383 or a Putnam X brush. At least till someone comes out with something better!

EA

How Hard is it to go to a race without your cars and be able to race ....

I can answer that, Pretty damn hard! He got down here and totally rebuilt a borrowed car and had to sacrifice a lot of track time to do it. Then he proceded to run some of the fastest laps ever turned here on a track he had never driven before. Then he made the A main in front of Hacksaw who practiced the weekend before and most of the race weekend (Hacksaw does hold the track record though) But he got beat by a blue car as well! That said, I bet Eric never makes that mistake again! BTW Helms, weren't you supposed to show up for this race? There were only going to be 2 blue cars there, you ain't skeered are ya? lol. Maybe we will see you for the next race.

Couldnt make it ...Thats alot of gas to foot the bill alone there and back.....I will try to make the next race ...And I will bring my own cars and show yalll how tog et around that place ...See Ya Humpty ...

I hear ya! Gas prices really suck right now. I am headed to FL on Saturday to race and I am dreading the fuel cost dragging the 20' trailer. We are already planning a race in October around columbus day, I will have more details on that later.

What is the effect of using the left toe corrector? What advantages or disadvantages?

As the suspenion collapses the toe out would increase, the toe-corrector fixes this problem

It is most useful on banked track i would think where the front suspension collapses but it doesn't turn very much so the toe isn't needed

Mike Voccola

If you run the left sdie arm all the way up you get bumpsteer .Thats why you need the toecorrector to get rid of bump steering ......SRM

I run a little asphalt track flat w/cap tires and was wanting to know if you had a basic set-up the track is almost flat and it is about 250 feet?

If EAMotorsports could help

What does bump steer make the car do?...."loose coming out"?,,,,"push in the middle"?...how Do I now if this would help my car......?..I run the left A-Arm all
the way up.....car feels good...a touch loose coming out of turn.......what should I be looking for for a "Bump Steer" condition

To check for bumpsteer look at the front of your car and compress the suspension and see if the tire moves in or out ....Neither is good ...Keep trying until you see if you have nay bump steering ...SRM

SRM, I'm still confused. You said "if you run the left arm all the way up, you get bumpsteer. Use the toe corrector to get rid of bumpsteer." I'm missing the concept. Why would you run the left arm all the way up? What is the advantage/disadvantage? Why not just move the arm down to get rid of bumpsteer instead of using the toe corrector? WHAT is bumpsteer? LOL

Bumpsteer is when the wheel gets toe in or out when that wheel travels up or down.

It decreases the angle of the left front arm it can lossen the car up on exit ..SRM

You should run the left front arm all the way up in order to reduce or eliminate "camber gain"

By reducing the LF camber gain you will benifit from optimum tire patch contact when the suspension is compressed

More tire patch contact = more steering

More steering = faster car in corners!!!!

I hope that this helps,
Antonio De Nino

OVALMASTER thank you , I miss seeing you and the DANIMAL ....Hope to get to Pembroke this year.....


SRM

Hey SRM,

long time no see!! Just name the weekend and I will be there

Antonio

PS \ I will bring the voltage!