Eugene, I used a paint brush and used half of the bottle, its just enough for two cars in one bottle. Do it in many coats as it gets thicker that way.

All we need is three people to run our own class. We make up any rules we want. Let's not change anything in Pro-Spec and just start a class called Arcor 6-cell Open Spec, follow the ARCOR rules and leave Pro-Spec the way it is, as "Spec-ish" as possible and "entry-level". All we would have to do to make Pro-Spec entry level is change back to a locked gear ratio.

Spec is faster than 4-cell stock? What is it about it that makes it a beginner class, cost? It even has 6 less turns, something we should really be judging the class by. FCCR had it right when it put 4-cell stock first then Street Spec then 19t. Lets face it, the only reason Spec is there is cause we are cheap a$$es and still like to go as fast as the "big dogs" on a 1/3 of the budget ;) ;) I admit it. Yes there's two extra cells to make up for the lack in mAh, but who cares, its still just as fun and isn't as hard on the wallet. I also love how everyone who comes into the thread and comments has never even run Spec in the two years I've been. Its the most fun I've had thus far in my r/c "career", ask John Hart about the couple nights he ran Tom's car. He was having a blast, that's what its all about, fun; the less money invested (at least a little less) takes the stress out of it some.

I don't care if we don't do a darn thing, just please quit the comments about "its opened up too much", "its a novice class", "stock is not for beginners", "you're pusing newbies away by making it ""too"" fast", or even better, "beginners don't care about winning".

Dave P, the mini-placard idea for each night is a great idea, I wish HW would see the need for trophies like that, even if it is something small. How much are those do you think? And you better come back and race if you keep getting on the board all the time, all talk and no play makes for an angry 4th best R/C driver in north florida.

Shawn I have a question on the cost first How many tires do you buy to run a season (7 weeks) and how many packs do you need to race and practice? and do you buy new packs for each season. and how many motors do you buy?

when I won the points in 4 cell stock I bought 1 set of tires which I cut down to 2.300 approx $45.00 I bought 3 packs off ebay for 40 bucks each $120.00 and I bought 1 monster stock 35.00 and 7 sets of brushes 14.00 for a season budget of $214.00 but I still have the tires they are tagged and bagged so if I want to run I bolt them on and I am still running strong with the packs I bought about 4 1/2 months ago.

The cost is a little more for stock but it's very close

This point series I'm buying one battery for $17, and one motor for $20. Tires, I'll go through 1.5 sets of rear greens and 1-2 sets of blue fronts total cost around $30-40. $67-77 bucks. Thats about 1/3 less than what you mentioned. I still run packs that are over a year old with pretty good success. My other two good packs are probably 6-7 months old now (so I'll have three solid packs). My speed controller that I'll be using next point series is 40 bucks brand new, and my reciever I bought used for 20 bucks from meadows. my chassis, an 03 Maverick i bought for 35 bucks, my rear pod is off an old L3 that I bought rolling for 50. Pro-Spec is a class for people on a tight budget. I like that fact. I know I won't be out spent in the battery and motor and brush. Its less stressfull to focus just on car setup rather than all the other stuff. see you punks tonight. Only two choices of tires makes it less of a cost burden in the long run as well.

It's like I've been saying for awhile,now. Spec has grown up in the last couple of years. It's not the same,cheap-a__ Spec we've all known before. Our Pro-Spec rules are similar to the ARCOR Spec rules. I mean-in ROAR (and at the 'Birds),4-cell stock & 4-cell 19-turn oval are nationally-recognized classes. In ARCOR,Open-Spec (which is closer to our Pro-Spec) is also a nationally recognized class with "ARCOR Spec Nats" races,ARCOR Spec champions,etc. I guess the reason that some racers have a "cheap" or "beginner" stigma about Spec is because it used to be a "Cheap" or "beginner" class w/low-priced outdated capacity batteries,junky outdated flimsy chassis kits & cheaply-made motors (compared to,say,an ARCOR handwound or even a binary stock motor),tires,etc. Now,it's all being done w/the same Spec batteries,tires as before,but with up-to-date,3-shock kits such as the L4. If anyone's seen the Spec tires lately,they're now mounted on a waay better rim than before. Sometimes,better than the yellow TRC rims! But everybody knows that already! lol

In short,to borrow something from an old Oldsmobile ad-"It's not your older brother's Spec class anymore"! lol
-George

all im saying is nobody wants to be classified as a novice.a true beginers class is ok but dont create another class cause you cant out run the guys in your existing class.thats my problem with this.we already dont finish till 1 so if we add more classes we may get to watch the sun rise
that is why we need to start racing on saturday or sunday we can start early and get out early.

good racing last night I had the best time that I have had in a while and welcome back to spec jay(former spec champion),george and shawn I am glad to see you guys back.

that was fun, glad I could get out of everyone's way last night. its good to be back in such a fun class. Nice work to Jason in taking the Main. Padano was still FAAASSSST. Gonna be a good series. George what did you think about the tires and brushes?

Also I talked to Chris (Shu) last night and he mentioned that since both Spec and Stock are similar in speeds, why not make the beginner class open to both 4-cell stock, and Pro-Spec and make it a breakout class. I would be totally for that. Once someone does 30 laps, they are ready to move up to Stock or Pro-Spec. I would have been happy with 30 laps last night myself lol

Who wins this current Pro-Spec point series? Was it Steve? Any predictions for the next series....? Tom is also thinking about running back in Pro-Spec again as well, that would be a wild card in a way since if you don't plan on him, you may by thinking about one of those three plaques. BUT you can COUNT on Tom getting one of those plaques, no doubt in my mind. That leaves only two left ;) Doooooh!

My rx on my 19t car is shot. Question, does the gauge wire you use to make a replacement antenna matter?

Last night w/8 cars in a heat and very good drivers yielded one of best races. Image three wide, cars racing into turn 3-4, drivers keeping their line, driving and having fun. Can 4cell stock or even 19t drivers do that w/o arguing? I don't think so. After last nights race, I will be running pro-spec again but with different chassis. 10LSS now belongs to my son. So bring the "novice", "breakout", "beginners" class. It's time to do something and stop chatting about it.

Well time to pack and head to Brandford for some short track concrete NASTRUCK action. :wave:

My rx on my 19t car is shot. Question, does the gauge wire you use to make a replacement antenna matter?

Shawn,
If you send it in to the manufacturer they will repair it for a small fee ( Futaba charged me $6.00 ) shippings cheap to! Both the length and gauge of the wire affects the tuning of the receiver if you decide to fix it yourself.

See Ya! Lee :cool:

Yea, I probably should just send it to them, good thinking.

Shawn

Yea, I probably should just send it to them, good thinking.

Shawn
Shawn, It's me again. Believe it or not hw carries replacement antenna wire for futaba rx's thats the same gauge used by almost everyone. Just be really careful while unsoldering and resoldering to the circuit board but it can be done. The overall length is what tunes the rx so keep the wire the same length and go racing. Yep I still read just dont post much anymore

I bought it inside, its the futaba one, it looks a little thicker to me. I'm just going to send it back to Airtronics and get it fixed back to specs.

Good to see you're still hanging around the threads, when you comin back to HW?

Does anyone know if the computer can be setup to run a 100 lap race? If so, would anyone be interested in giving it a try on one of the fun nights? Three battery packs, two self performed pitstops. First to 100 wins.

Shawn

Does anyone know if the computer can be setup to run a 100 lap race? If so, would anyone be interested in giving it a try on one of the fun nights? Three battery packs, two self performed pitstops. First to 100 wins.

ShawnShawn- Ooh,Ooh! I'll do it! lol BTW,you should check out this site: http://stormrc.com
2 of my KGB Team comrades in the Chicagoland area are in this series & are racing the 100 laps/2 pit stops. I also have videos from one of the "comrades" of their races. I'll bring them for you Friday,if ya want!
-George

I think we would have to stand on the lower ramp in order to facilitate pits better. Can we gear it down and go slower and do it on two packs avoiding that costly second pit? Hmmm... I know I could squeeze 40-45 laps out of a pack but not a whole 50 so I probably wouldn't try it. George, let's ask the rest of the pro-spec racers to see if they would want to do it in the next couple weeks. I'm going to move my charger down to the track with a long extension cord and peak my packs during the race ;) ;) lol

Shawn- From the videos I've seen,those guys usually stand down on the ground next to the wall w/their packs in front of them. So whenever they come in to pit,the caution comes out on whatever lap, pull in front of them,change batts & get out before the other guys do. They sometimes use a pace car to keep "caution pace".

We would have to read the STORM rules & see about duplicating this crazy-a** feat of yours! lol j/k! We would either have to gear-down or drive slower in order to make 3 mandatory pits at HW. The STORM series races only short tracks.
-George

A 100-lap Pro-Spec feature might be a good Saturday show,too! lol I think we should talk and/or try it this Friday??
-George

Does anyone know if the computer can be setup to run a 100 lap race? If so, would anyone be interested in giving it a try on one of the fun nights? Three battery packs, two self performed pitstops. First to 100 wins.

Shawn if they will let us I will do it. we should ask tom if he would set up the computer for us on sunday and do it when we are'nt holding anyone up. :dude:

Good point Stoney, but I don't think it would be much of a hold up, just a few extra minutes. I think it would only take 2 pits since we can easily do 35+ laps per pack. I definitely cannot drive standing alongside the track, i can barely drive on the handicap ramp. Now if we had a pit guy that would grab the car, pop the battery out, plug the fresh one in and throw us back down, that would be a possibility. Then we could stand up on the drivers stand and really race.

Anyway, it just sounds like a TON of fun and something only people who have deans/tamiya in between their ESC and Batteries can enjoy ;) Let's talk about it Friday and plan on it one night if we get the ok from john etc. If we really like it we can do it four times a year, once in between each point series. Maybe a seperate trophy/plaque could be involved. If each entry pitched in 5 extra bucks, the winner could get a trophy or something close to one. Or even better. Have a standing trophy that gets passed from winner to winner and gets their name on the side of it. Kind of like the Stanley Cup.

Shawn

we could use 2 cars take one off and put the other down and go. :roll:

we could use 2 cars take one off and put the other down and go. :roll:

That would be interesting to do especially with the two car deal. My cars are ready...all my cars are already controlled by one radio :jest:

I don't have two cars for Spec so I wouldn't be able to. Plus that would take away from the fumbling that will occur when we are trying to change packs. :) ;) I wonder how many cars will be left standing at the end of the 100 laps? Don't wreck and you'll easily finish in the top three.

Good point Stoney, but I don't think it would be much of a hold up, just a few extra minutes. I think it would only take 2 pits since we can easily do 35+ laps per pack. I definitely cannot drive standing alongside the track, i can barely drive on the handicap ramp. Now if we had a pit guy that would grab the car, pop the battery out, plug the fresh one in and throw us back down, that would be a possibility. Then we could stand up on the drivers stand and really race.

Anyway, it just sounds like a TON of fun and something only people who have deans/tamiya in between their ESC and Batteries can enjoy ;) Let's talk about it Friday and plan on it one night if we get the ok from John etc. If we really like it we can do it four times a year, once in between each point series. Maybe a seperate trophy/plaque could be involved. If each entry pitched in 5 extra bucks, the winner could get a trophy or something close to one. Or even better. Have a standing trophy that gets passed from winner to winner and gets their name on the side of it. Kind of like the Stanley Cup.

Shawn IMO,I think running a special feature like this would probably be best if done on the Saturday race dates,rather than on a Friday night. We wouldn't be able to get home until 2AM! lol BTW,the winner has to drink/chug Red Bull & DQ MooLatte out of the cup. Or like the winner of the Indy 500,drink milk or a Starbucks Frappucino (the big bottle,please!). No alcohol allowed @ HW! lol
Also,we may be getting another driver interested in running Pro-Spec w/us next series. He's already run some races in 4-cell stock,so no "beginner class" for him! lol
The Stanley Cup? Now THAT would be cool! Our very own "Race For The Cup" series. lol Or how about the "DQ Dennis The Menace Pro-Spec 100 Cup",complete w/used Spec tires & brushes around the base? I think I've got some work to do! lol

BTW,I've been practicing my battery changes & watching STORM race videos,so y'all better be ready! MUAHAHAHAHA!
-George

Hmmmmm,
100 lapper Spec race ;) gimme a week or so to get my car swapped over and find me some spec batts. Were ya finding spec batts anyway? havent seen any in either HW. Might think about opening up the tire rule for this also? Lap 90 and the leaders on the rims :lol:

Later, Lee Helander :cool:
Velocity R/C

You can use the black 1500 packs they sell at HW or I think dan said he he could get them now.

Hmmmmm,
100 lapper Spec race ;) gimme a week or so to get my car swapped over and find me some spec batts. Were ya finding spec batts anyway? havent seen any in either HW. Might think about opening up the tire rule for this also? Lap 90 and the leaders on the rims :lol:

Later, Lee Helander :cool:
Velocity R/CLee- We're either using 1500 sport packs or the 1600 Spec packs. I would love to use a 1700 or even a 2000 sport pack,but then everybody will use them. Especially those newbs that just bought 1500's! As for the tire rule,that may be opening-up soon. (the brushes & motor springs stay the same) I ran last weeks Spec mains w/TRC pinks & magentas and didn't find any unusual tire wear. I didn't run any faster since I made a tweak adjustment earlier thinking it was gonna be loose,but ended up pushing bad in the corners. If I had left the tweak alone (or ran some practice laps before the mains),it might have been pretty fast! I'll try it again this Friday. I've been on Lap 30 on rims before! Not fun!
-George

My brand new 1600 spec batteries and spec motor came in today via USPS from towers they have 6cell and 4cell in stock...I try to support my lhs but when I need it I go it :rolleyes:

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

George,
Thinkin I,ll set my old L40 up for Pro Spec specially now that there will be one Sat a month of racin at HW. Still have a few motors and spec tires from the Legends racing just have to round up some six packs :drunk: uhh I mean battery packs.
See Ya, Lee Helander :cool:
Velocity R/C

funny how that works :)

Tower has spec packs and the motors they have are new. The new ones have been epoxy balanced rather than drilled. I haven't got one yet, Jason and Steve have them. Looking forward to tomorrow night, hopefully good weather will find us.

Shawn

tim said the weather will be even better with low humitidy and down to 66 deg friday night. might be a fast night maybe steve can break that track record he almost beat a couple of weeks ago. gear it down a tooth steve. :cool:

Tower has spec packs and the motors they have are new. The new ones have been epoxy balanced rather than drilled. I haven't got one yet, Jason and Steve have them. Looking forward to tomorrow night, hopefully good weather will find us.

ShawnShawn- I've got 2 of the epoxy-balanced Spec motors & had 'em for awhile. Tom & I call them "bubble-gum motors". From what I've experienced,they're good for fishing weights or to give to your worst enemy,etc. I wouldn't even put one in a Legends car right now! lol Find yourself some older,factory drill-balanced Spec motors before I do! lol You can tell by rotating the shaft (in the bag!) & looking for the big green wad of epoxy (looks like gum!) on the armature ends through the can openings.
-George

tim said the weather will be even better with low humitidy and down to 66 deg friday night. might be a fast night maybe steve can break that track record he almost beat a couple of weeks ago. gear it down a tooth steve. :cool:That's what I said Stoney. I think a 39/120 with a little bit of rubber on those rears is the sweet spot for a spec motor. I guess it all depends on the individual motor. Mine was drawing around 2.5 A at 2 volts on my LRP charger. Silver springs with a bend in them to make them a little stiffer. I think Steve will break the record. I have to put my money on him, as well, to win the next point series unless we all step it up.

Hey a long time ago at a track far far away, The old and now gone first coast superspeedway we used to run "The 600". It was a blast. 600 as in seconds. yep a ten minute race but that was back when the best batteries that were available were 1700's and we made time no problem. We used any motor and most of us guys just ran a stock 27t arm in a modified can with little to no timing.

At another track that's long gone. lake whiphorwill international speedway below Orlando the enduro class was run but it was an all out run what ya brung deal with specially built quickchange battery cars. The fastest guys could change batteries in under a second. Yes I did just say under a second. Most setups had some kind of spring loaded gizmo on the car to keep the batteries in that was connected to a trigger handle that was in or near the front of the car so that when the pitman picked up the car he just squeezed and the old battery fell out while he placed the new one in from underneath. It was a real trick deal and at the time all the major companies had a kit or atleast the pieces to build one. I've got an old video tape from one of the races around here somewhere, or maybe I dont anymore. That was a long time ago.

What started out as a test to see just how many laps could be turned at a medium pace quickly as it does in all forms of racing turned into a high speed sprint only interupted by a battery change every four or so minutes and occassionally even a motor change. For those of you that never had a priveledge to visit or race the whip y'all missed out. That place was the closest to proffesional racing as you will ever find except maybe the birds as far as making the racer feel like it was big time racing. Complete with full time uniformed turn marshalls and race staff and the national anthem sometimes sung live in person and skydivers landing on the track before the big days festivities commenced. Oh yeah it was a big time deal. Bob Hosch the owner may he rest in peace was into racing both on our little scale and the big cars too. Ok enough for todays history lesson. Back to work on your cars maggots!(I love mail bag)

Pro-Spec met last night to vote on possible changes for the next series. Everyone was in agreement or neutral to opening up the Tire rule. George, Stoney, Jason, Steve, and the Father and Son team were present. Any tire will be allowed next series.

Updated rules, only change is Open Tire and weight requirement.
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Any chassis
Any electronics
Any tires
Any gear
Street Spec motor
Street Spec 6-cell battery
Street Spec Brushes
Street Spec Black or Silver springs on motor
Nascar body
Wing allowed
Back of body can be cut out

We also agreed that one person will be selected by the race director from our class to tech the cars for the night. Cars will be weighed, 42 oz is the min. This is taken from the ROAR 6-cell oval rules.

Good to see a strong turn out for Pro-Spec last night, seven drivers were running, had a blast. Wish i could have been there for the main but I've had rx issues. See ya next Friday.

What's the advantage of open tires? What's a good tire combo to start with under the new rule?

I'm sticking with Blue Street Spec fronts, and Green Street Spec rears.

As for the TRC tires the colors are as follows

Red Hardest
Purple
Magenta
Pink Softest

As far as how the Street Spec tires match up with the TRC, I don't have durometer numbers or anything, but and Orange is simlar to a Red, and Greens are close to Pinks. The Blue is somewhere in the middle of Purple and Magenta.

Shawn

Advantage of opening up the tires. Not sure, they say the better rubber lasts longer. Time will tell on that.

If you spec guys don't mind I want to try something out this Friday with my car. I want to run a brushless system and spec everything else. Spec tires and spec batteries, I just run with a group and see the difference. Let me know thanks guys

No one will care dude. Run it! What turn motor is the brushless?

that ok with me eugene.

good racing friday guys compitition is fearce as expected. may the best man win. :cool:

My rx got exploded in the 2nd qual, wish i could have raced in the main. figured out what my problem was and should be ready for the next series and hopefully will be able to hang. can't wait.

No one will care dude. Run it! What turn motor is the brushless?
It's suppose to be comparable to a 27t stock motor compared to a 21t spec. So you all will have a slight advantage

It's suppose to be comparable to a 27t stock motor compared to a 21t spec. So you all will have a slight advantageUnless you got the killer secret setup! It might be close. It would be interesting to finally see a brushless motor in action.
I finally got a hold of one of the "new" Spec motors from Dan last Friday (thanks,Dan!),and it turned out to be one of my best motors-if not the best one! The only thing I saw different was the label and mine had no epoxy or holes for balancing.(?) There was some sticky stuff all over the arm & magnets,but it didn't seem to affect the performance at all. I don't know if I got lucky or if they're all like that,but I'd like to get another one & find out. Mine had a really low spool-up before the "nitrous" kicked in. After that,it was party-time! lol
Jay & Steven also ran one Friday and theirs was really good,too! I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm officially retracting my comments of the epoxy-balanced Spec motors.
As Stoney said,the competition next series will be fierce,as everybody was driving really,really good. Especially Brandon & James! No beginners class for them!! lol
-George

Well put George. the driving is excellent in pro-spec. going through traffic all that more fun when people can hold their lines. if only I could be fast enough to go through traffic ;)

Well put George. the driving is excellent in pro-spec. going through traffic all that more fun when people can hold their lines. if only I could be fast enough to go through traffic ;)Sounds like I need to take your caaa home for the weekend to work on it! lol Either that or you should try my setup on the HW site. Or better yet,have you try my caa Friday. lol
-George