Hey!! fastgnat and sidekick will be racing Friday night. I'll make sure "wrong way" :confused: don't steal the race results this time.

How do you like my new avitar LOLOLOLOLOL. :jest:
Silly Stoney :tongue:

i like it better than the last one the hole eye thing was creepy!!!!

blah blah blah, i love stock, spec and 19t. that means I love oval period, in whatever flavor, shape, or form; just don't try and categorize a class as Beginner when you are going slower than the guys in "the beginner class". Spec rocks, come and try it sometime Chris. I will try stock if you run some Pro-Spec.

Me and Jason were the last dinosaurs who wanted to run the old Trinity chassis, we were dragged kicking and screaming, in fact the last point series of Spec, we were still running our spec chassis againts Malin, George, etc with the newer pan chassis. My point is, why not start another class, one for the cheap veterans and one for the newbs. Sounds good to me. The more plaques the better in my book (and the less a newbie gets lapped by the leader, three or four times during a race, the better experience they'll come away with). So we really are trying to look out for the newbies when discussing rule change/class formation on the thread. Give the "Spec" class back to the newbs by starting an ARCOR 6-cell Open Spec class. It ain't rocket science. Chris you're a cool mo'fo and I think we are on the same page if you think about it. If we have two heats of Pro-Spec or one head of Pro-Spec and one of Open Spec we use the same amount of time in one night and three more plaques are handed out.

I can't wait to race this Friday. I got my Pro-Spec car nearly complete tonight, i finished the rear pod, t-plate, rear axle diff, shoe-goo'd my electronics in and got all my shocks mounted. Now just for the front end, i'll leave that for later, gotta crash now. Oh yea, and Stoney, I'm for starting a rookie of the series award for most improved. This series i'd vote for Steve Padano in spec, dudes is on FIRE!

[QUOTE=rcgen]Didn't know they were racing hmm....I might have to join you in some nastruck
I am there,NASTRUCK STYLE!!!! :) Spec guys should make a roadtrip as well,enjoyed seeing all of you here the last time,and I beleive Tom had gotten the record in SPEC,how long will it stand???? Hope to see ya guys out for some Nastruck,Stock,19T is going to be fairly big,SPEC,novice...:thumbsup: Racin starts @ 6 P.M. Saturday.... Kevin

blah blah blah, i love stock, spec and 19t. that means I love oval period, in whatever flavor, shape, or form; just don't try and categorize a class as Beginner when you are going slower than the guys in "the beginner class". Spec rocks, come and try it sometime Chris. I will try stock if you run some Pro-Spec.

Me and Jason were the last dinosaurs who wanted to run the old Trinity chassis, we were dragged kicking and screaming, in fact the last point series of Spec, we were still running our spec chassis againts Malin, George, etc with the newer pan chassis. My point is, why not start another class, one for the cheap veterans and one for the newbs. Sounds good to me. The more plaques the better in my book (and the less a newbie gets lapped by the leader, three or four times during a race, the better experience they'll come away with). So we really are trying to look out for the newbies when discussing rule change/class formation on the thread. Give the "Spec" class back to the newbs by starting an ARCOR 6-cell Open Spec class. It ain't rocket science. Chris you're a cool mo'fo and I think we are on the same page if you think about it. If we have two heats of Pro-Spec or one head of Pro-Spec and one of Open Spec we use the same amount of time in one night and three more plaques are handed out.

I can't wait to race this Friday. I got my Pro-Spec car nearly complete tonight, i finished the rear pod, t-plate, rear axle diff, shoe-goo'd my electronics in and got all my shocks mounted. Now just for the front end, i'll leave that for later, gotta crash now. Oh yea, and Stoney, I'm for starting a rookie of the series award for most improved. This series i'd vote for Steve Padano in spec, dudes is on FIRE!
I agree with most of that. We need to find a newbie class somewhere because 4 cell stock isn't it. I don't know will see..... The sad thing is it's not up to me or you . All we can do is give our opinion and how to make it a little easier on the new guy's.

my only take on this is what ever class u have fun in thats great.but we do not need anymore classes.change the rules to spec all yall want but do try to make a class for the so called pro guys.there are cars that are not up to speed in every class out there,but they paid there money just like you to go have fun.spec was designed as a beginners class at low cost to race,so the more rules you change the more it will be to race. just my .02 cents bear....

ps chris is a sissy for running stock anyways
hahahahahaahahahahaa

If we were to give "Spec" back to the newbs,I suggest making that a breakout class. That way,they could move up to "Open Spec" w/a minimum of changes to their existing Spec gear. I don't think adding this class would create a time problem,since it would be like running a "Pro-Spec B-Main",which we do now,anyways. Now,if one or two "Spec" drivers show up,then I suggest running them in the "Open Spec" class & score their points separate.

The same could possibly be done in other classes,too. Any new drivers would have to run in a breakout class & win,say...3 races, before moving up. But you would now run into time problems,unless you eliminate B-Mains altogether.
Just a thought! :drunk:
-George

ok but the problem then is now stock would want that too,then 19 turn would want it so now u have 3 new classes.traffic is a part of racing.theres a few cars i would love to see in another class but at a big race you have to deal with them.i would rather race in a class with 30 cars rather than 4.

I think that if me, Jason, George, Tom go back to running Pro-Spec it will push Newbies away, that's what I don't want to happen and would like to avoid if possible. George is going to run "ARCOR 6-cell Open Spec" this Friday with the rest of the Spec guys, should be interesting to see the differences, from what I've been told by ARCOR guys that run Open Spec, its a couple tenths off the pace of 4-cell 19t. Definitely not a beginners class.

Ditto to what Chris said, we don't run the show at HW. Good to see everyone speaking their minds on here, that's what its all about. I just get sick of people always saying, "we are pushing the Newbies away", by making spec too expensive or too fast when we change the rules. If you have three people you can run your own class, 7 cell open mod or what have you. Its all good.

I want that fastest lap record back, gonna be tough, Padano's 6.8?!?!?!? He must be cheating better than I was last series ;) ;) lol. I remember not too long ago no one in 19t had run below a 7.0.

I think that if me, Jason, George, Tom go back to running Pro-Spec it will push Newbies away, that's what I don't want to happen and would like to avoid if possible. George is going to run "ARCOR 6-cell Open Spec" this Friday with the rest of the Spec guys, should be interesting to see the differences, from what I've been told by ARCOR guys that run Open Spec, its a couple tenths off the pace of 4-cell 19t. Definitely not a beginners class.

Ditto to what Chris said, we don't run the show at HW. Good to see everyone speaking their minds on here, that's what its all about. I just get sick of people always saying, "we are pushing the Newbies away", by making spec too expensive or too fast when we change the rules. If you have three people you can run your own class, 7 cell open mod or what have you. Its all good.

I want that fastest lap record back, gonna be tough, Padano's 6.8?!?!?!? He must be cheating better than I was last series ;) ;) lol. I remember not too long ago no one in 19t had run below a 7.0.Yes,I will be running my car per ARCOR Open Spec rules (any tire/brush/brush spring) this Friday. This will be a three-raceday experiment (this Friday & the next 2 Friday non-point nights),to see what the on-track difference would be compared to our Pro-Spec rules. The outcome may/may not influence the creation of an "Open Spec" class. I will also pull the car off the track at the 30 secs to go mark (this Friday) in order to give the leaders the win in each race,since it would be the last night of this series & every point is crucial to the top drivers.
-George

We need something and we need it quick for the beginners. Everyone is to set in there ways right now and th racers are dwindling down everyweek seems like. So lets make the adjustments before we all can fit in one class....yikes
Ok!! 19 turn spec 7 cell your are up and don't forget no turn marshals cause we are all that's left..................5 seconds are less beep!

Hey guys I thought I would put my .02 in too. If you are running in spec and want to change the rules so you can run with out the traffic or whatever the reason is, I think its nonsense. We already have 3 oval classes you start in spec (which has been opened up too much already), when you are good at that you move to stock then 19 turn. Or you can be like me and go strait to 19 turn and make it difficult for the better drivers. But like bear said thats apart of racing. In short if spec changes I want to change 19 turn too so I dont have to run with Bear, Tom, Tom and all the other fast guys then maybe I can get a plaque too.........

Hey guys I thought I would put my .02 in too. If you are running in spec and want to change the rules so you can run with out the traffic or whatever the reason is, I think its nonsense. We already have 3 oval classes you start in spec (which has been opened up too much already), when you are good at that you move to stock then 19 turn. Or you can be like me and go strait to 19 turn and make it difficult for the better drivers. But like bear said thats apart of racing. In short if spec changes I want to change 19 turn too so I dont have to run with Bear, Tom, Tom and all the other fast guys then maybe I can get a plaque too.........
WELL SAID ! IT'S NOT ABOUT WINNING EVERY RACE FOR THESE BEGINNERS , IT'S ABOUT LEARNING AND HAVING FUN. THEY WON'T LEARN OR HAVE FUN IF THEY COME OUT AND GET HIT EVERY LAP BECAUSE THEY ARE 3 OR 4 LAPS OFF THE PACE AND SCARED TO DEATH THEY WILL MESS UP SOMEONES CAR. WE DON'T HAVE TO ALTER SPEC IF YOU ALL ARE HELL BENT ON MAKING IT AS FAST AS 19 TURN. ANOTHER SOLITION AND IS HOW I LEARNED OUT AT ARLINGTON WAS A BREAK OUT CLASS IN STOCLK OR SPEC. THIS KEEPS ALL THE NEWBIES IN ONE CLASS TOGETHER. THEY ALSO LEARN TOGETHER. SAY IF WE HAD A 30 BREAK OUT. IF THEY BREAK OUT ATLEAST 3 TIMES THEY CAN MOVE UP TO STOCK OR PROSPEC A-MAIN. THIS OIS NOT AND EXTRA CLASS BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A B MAIN IN EACH ANYWAYS. .AND THE PEOPLE IN THE B ARE ALWYS THE PEOPLE IN THE B .I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT EVERYONE. AND TAKE ALOT OF PRESURE OFF THESE GUYS

Do you guys ever work??? I am home sick today cough cough

Well said,Chris. That was my suggestion. Either that or have a "Novice" or "Beginner" (or whatever ya wanna call it) breakout oval class. Run what ya brung! Bad thing is,again,that could add another class to our schedule?
-George

Adding another class to an already-crowded schedule is not the answer. From what I'm hearing, there isn't enough difference between Stock 4-cell and Spec, but there's a huge difference from that to 19T. Maybe we need to jazz up our intermediate class a little to entice the stars of Spec to move up. Any suggestions? Is Stock 6-cell Nastruck a better halfway point between Spec and 19T??

Then, we keep Spec as-is (Spec motor, tires, and battery) as a novice class.

Whatever we do, just don't drive over me as you go past. Someday I might be able to catch you! :eek:

I agree Chris, I think that's what we are trying to do, make a class that welcomes beginners and lets them race against each other while not getting yelled at or embrassed. I for one would not be racing right now had there not been a "lock gear" Street Spec class. I think we will be missing something if we abandon it by just changing the rules of Pro-Spec. No new person is going to demand a beginner class, its up to us to make it happen. Call it Beginner Stock, or classic spec, or 3-cell 19t. :) let's put aside our biases(spec rulez) and do something about it. :)

A lot of people don't see the need to spend the money on batteries and motor, but still want to be in a competive veteran class, that's what ARCOR 6-cell Open Spec is about. All ya need is three people.

Pro-Spec "which has been opened up too much already". Well there was only me and Jason wanting to run the old Trinity Spec chassis. And we opened it to open gear. That is it. Doooh! Yea that's sounds like way too much.

Hope you feel better by Friday Eugene.

I think a breakout class would work. we should have enough newbys.

well lets get together with who ever makes the decisson. And get it going. We can ask the new people who are struggling and see if they want to get there own break out class started and make it stick from now on. All it will do is erase a b main stock and a b main spec. if you put the to together it will shorten the night . put the to b main races in to the 30 break out?? I think strongly this is the way to go. Who's wit me ...???besides the gold fish (jerry maguire)

Quick breaking news about a use to be very popular class(It's stuggling now). Got a nice phone call tonight - actually I returned the phone call.Big things are coming real soon.You might even see me on Friday nights racing this class again.

anyone up for practice tomorrow me and the 2 chances will be there.

Chris- I got your back! lol
It could be as simple as renaming the 2nd heat of stock or Spec as beginner oval. I agree that doing this wouldn't add anymore races,since you're renaming a race. Even at CPT,there was a Novice class,where Newbs w/ TC's and oval cars came & raced around the oval and honed their skills. It was actually fun to see these guys "stress-test" their cars every week! lol Where do ya think Steve Short & J.P. got their start? Look at how those two have come along since CPT Novice oval. Steve's been sniffing Chris' (1st) tail in the 4-cell stock points (2nd),with J.P. not too far behind (4th). The thing is after they both got a grip on this R/C thing,they brought family members w/ them to race,too. More racers=very good!

Either way,I agree that something needs to be done very quick! I went into HW today after work to get some sticky Coverite sheets for Chris' numbers (Friday,dude!) & there was a guy that walked off a proud owner of a brand new,box-stock 10L4 kit. Mrs Rook(!) told me that this guy just bought another oval car off the 'net,then came in & bought the new L4. Now ask yourselves this: if this guy shows up to race on a Friday (or Sat or whatever!) night,what class could we put this guy (or any newbie) in? If he hasn't raced before,I sure as hell wouldn't put him in 19-turn!

Let's all get together Friday & come up w/ a solution!
-George

if the guy shows up with a 19t and pays 15 dollars then let him race. but help him out.

look guys I see this way you asking to take a class of 8 to 10 guys on a friday night and divide it. to me it is more fun with more cars. I am not trying to make anybody mad or hurt feelings but there are some who need to stay right where they are and others that need to change classes. All use Chris (Gay Focker) as an example he told me at stricklands that he thought he was ready to move up to 19t because he has done all that he can in stock. and I told him till he can run consistant 32 lap runs in stock 19t wasn't the place to be.
I can understand Learys thought process on the spec and chasing off new racers

let me bounce this idea off you guys keep the rules the same but do away with the points. I think of it like this you have a guy that runs 4th alot but will get a top 3 every so often and maybe a win but at the end of 7 weeks he has nothing because of plaques to the top 3. if you gave away a small plaque each week or even a ribbon. that guy or girl would have something.

I'm with ya George. Meeting will be held at Georges pit around whenever ..lol. seriously we can get this done. afterward we work out the details we a have drivers meeting before race and place said newbies in the new breakout class. baring there approval.

Chris how would you feel if you showed up to the focar race andd they said you have to run stock not pro stock

if the guy shows up with a 19t and pays 15 dollars then let him race. but help him out.

look guys I see this way you asking to take a class of 8 to 10 guys on a friday night and divide it. to me it is more fun with more cars. I am not trying to make anybody mad or hurt feelings but there are some who need to stay right where they are and others that need to change classes. All use Chris (Gay Focker) as an example he told me at stricklands that he thought he was ready to move up to 19t because he has done all that he can in stock. and I told him till he can run consistant 32 lap runs in stock 19t wasn't the place to be.
I can understand Learys thought process on the spec and chasing off new racers

let me bounce this idea off you guys keep the rules the same but do away with the points. I think of it like this you have a guy that runs 4th alot but will get a top 3 every so often and maybe a win but at the end of 7 weeks he has nothing because of plaques to the top 3. if you gave away a small plaque each week or even a ribbon. that guy or girl would have something.
They did it like that in Arlington. It was cool . but they also did the break out class which works very well. The points is cool in my opinion. weekly awards is not a bad idea at all . But One thing at a time and right now break out is due.
P.S. What I said was I have got enough out of stock to move up. You make it sound like I was saying I conquered all of stock or something...lol Faulker... :eek:

so would a breakout class be run whatever?

Chris how would you feel if you showed up to the focar race andd they said you have to run stock not pro stock
I would not complain ... After I won (lol) the next time I go they will put me in pro Stock. It is the drivers choice Dave noone is saying they have to. It's more for them then us. If a guy shows up and can only run 28 laps and refuses to run in the break out class then it is his own stupid fault and he will suffer for it in the long run. When your first boxing match comes up you don't go fight a top 10 fighter or even a fighter that is seasoned . You be smart and start with a rookie like yourself. Or the result will be ,1. No learning other than what the hell was I thinking as they take you to the ER . 2. Your nose is a little more off center.. :tongue:

Here's an idea run 10 cars in a heat problem solved no b main spec, stock, or 19t :jest:

Here's an idea run 10 cars in a heat problem solved no b main spec, stock, or 19t :jest:
hack'em up stack'em up ....wrench wrench al night.nno not fun for me. I hate to wrench.

if you stay in front you don't have to worry about that unless you are trying to lap me

Eugene makes a valid point you guys want to split up classes that consist of maybe 10 cars 12 on a good night. it just seems to me that alot of the drivers complaining are doing the wrecking

Eugene makes a valid point you guys want to split up classes that consist of maybe 10 cars 12 on a good night. it just seems to me that alot of the drivers complaining are doing the wrecking
I haven't been in a wreck that has cost me the race in over 3 weeks. Tha's not the point. Again! It is so these people have a comfortable place to start and learn. Don't twist it up and make it a selfish act on drivers that want to race on a wide open track Dave. not the case here. And it's not spliting up a class of 10 or 12 . it's taking 2 b mains and making a 1 break out main of 10 or 12. Insted of 2 b mains of 4 and 6

so would a breakout class be run whatever?
As far as stock or spec . in my opinion yes. 29 or 30 laps would be the break out. I think you can compete in either class with those laps. Not a run what you brung because the track would get destroyed with T-maxx's..ouch

if the guy shows up with a 19t and pays 15 dollars then let him race. but help him out.
If we had a breakout Novice class,he/she would be in that class regardless,until they meet the breakout point. (That is,if this person has never raced R/C before.) Doesn't matter if they have an P2K2 w/2400's or a 10 triple w/3600's. If we don't create some sort of Novice class & he/she gets stuck in 19t w/the already established drivers,for example,I'll almost guarantee that he/she wouldn't have such a good time-even w/our help. (jumping into a lion's pit @ the Zoo and seeing what happens next would be a fair comparison)
-George

ok i agree with a novice class,but this whole disscussion was started cause spec was wanting another form of spec.a true novice class would be good if you could get people to sign up for it.but you r still gonna have your so called (hack) cars in every class that will not consider him self as a novice.but we should offer a 30 lap breakout class. bear.....

Shawn - you used liquid mask to paint your body right? (sox body) Just wondering how did you put it on and how much. I was going to use my airbrush but that stuff looks too thick. I want to try the mask and leave the tape alone.

Bear- I'm starting to think just leaving the Pro-Spec class rules as-is. After reading all the pros & cons,I already got a headache! lol If Steve Pedano can legally pull off some 6.8's & 6.9's in his Pro-Spec,everyone will just have to work harder. Besides,I thought the fastest car doesn't always win races??

Eugene- You have to thin Liquid Mask w/water for airbrush use. How much,I don't know. I pour as much as I need onto the body & use my finger to smear the stuff on. Let dry for a couple of hours-if not overnight. You can use a heat gun on low heat or hair dryer if you're in a rush. Use a thick coat,too! It'll be easier to cut the design & easier to remove all of the mask afterwards.
-George

Bear- I'm starting to think just leaving the Pro-Spec class rules as-is. After reading all the pros & cons,I already got a headache! lol If Steve Pedano can legally pull off some 6.8's & 6.9's in his Pro-Spec,everyone will just have to work harder. Besides,I thought the fastest car doesn't always win races??
-George
I agree. If one person is that fast then the others can do it too. As far as the new people go, if they arent complaining then they must be ok with it.

Maybe bring it up at a driver's meeting and ask for input from the people that you all think should be put in a newbie class.

I don't think anyone is complaining who and how someone is going fast. It's was about opening up the rules to tires then brushes then scarying away the new guys creating a new class just for newbys a breakout class combining the "B" mainers for one class one 19t guy not wanting to race w/the "fast" guys stock guy saying something about pro-spec is not spec and 19t guys come back to pro-spec something about stock being slow.....bottom line seems to be a class might/will be forming for the "new" guys...I agree we need something for the KIDS and new guys to start in.

Yeah George I can see how an headache can be formed now.

Bullfrog - What's that breaking news? Does it involve the smaller circle? Is there another place in J'ville to race? Is there a big race coming soon? Hmm all the speculation will now start.... :p

all im saying is nobody wants to be classified as a novice.a true beginers class is ok but dont create another class cause you cant out run the guys in your existing class.thats my problem with this.we already dont finish till 1 so if we add more classes we may get to watch the sun rise

Nobody wants a novice class because they can't outrun the guys in the existing classes! A novice class is a good idea because a new oval driver is nothing but a rolling speed bump in a race where everyone else is running 7 second laps. Its hard to learn to race when your car's survival depends on running out of the racing line to avoid being destroyed from behind.

But, as I said in an earlier post, oval is no place for beginners. So, maybe we should reinforce that fact when someone comes to track and looks around the pits and tells us that he might buy a L4 and start running oval. Oval looks easy. It isn't!

Then, we can keep on racing the same people every week, with some new blood from out of town from time to time. And if the TC people don't scare them away completely, maybe some of those new TC drivers will migrate to oval after racing for a while and learning the finer points of R/C car driving and chassis setup.

I don't think a novice class is the answer. I think the answer is to turn the intermediate class at HW into something that is worth moving up to and staying with, which will allow Spec to be the entry-level class its supposed to be.

Here's my two cents worth. At the two former carpet tracks there was a novice class. Beginners had a place to start,and also had fun doing it. We need a place for novice to start. Right now we have cars bouncing from the inside pipes to the wall all around the track.It's not there fault,they are just trying to learn how to drive. Money also comes into play. When cars hit hard,it can cost both drivers money. So lets have a drivers meeting at the track,and find a place for people to start.

Eugene,
When I use my airbrush to apply liquid mask I cut it 50-50 with water, sprays well at a lower pressure and still has good coverage. Dont apply it to heavy or it wont dry for seeevvveeerraaal hours! I been lazy lately but I think its about time I did a NICE new bod too :cool: You still thinkin about headin for Branford this week?

Later , Lee :cool:

Thanks George and Lee...I've been airbrushing and can spraying my bodies...Wanted to do something different while I am home sick. That liquid mask stuff is messy. I think I put it on too thick still waiting for it to dry. And Lee yes Branford Nastruck here I come its been sometime since I raced the truck.

Hopefully to see at HW or Branford.

Race the truck! Everybody loves the truck! lol

Bear- I figured that's what you were getting at. lol I'll now vote for keeping the Pro-Spec rules the same. If anything,open the tire rule up & that's it. Wow-from opening up the Pro-Spec rules to creating a class for beginners. I must have missed the transition somewhere! lol

Chris- Your #'s are done. Looks cool from a distance!
-George

on the liquid mask I always applied 2 light coats with a brush then let is sit a day then cut out my entire design then started peeling off for the starting with the dark colors first.

Eugene makes a valid point you guys want to split up classes that consist of maybe 10 cars 12 on a good night. it just seems to me that alot of the drivers complaining are doing the wrecking
I don't care if we start a beginner class for only two people, at least there are two more new people. ; )