You got my vote....rain out...I am back this Friday with the sun and partly cloudy weather :tongue:

Going to work on my Pro-Spec car tonight, an 03 Maverick, hopefully will have it done for this Friday to run both classes. I'll make sure to take out Jason so you guys can have the points ;)

:rolleyes: Hey guys Branford RC Speedway/Kevin's RC Oval Site,my site. .tk is currently down,if you need race dates etc. use this link for the meantime. Kevin

http://hometown.aol.com/langcnn/myhomepage/index.html

Hey guys. I have a question for the experts:

I just upgraded my front end with Wolff springs and now my stock king pin seems too short. Should I get the Wolff long kingpin? Is the IRS kingpin (the one that doesn't require E-clips)longer than stock? Or should I run with my springs partially compressed?

(BTW, I'm using George's setup from the Pro-Spec website and its amazing how much it improved the car!! Thanks for posting it.)

Going to work on my Pro-Spec car tonight, an 03 Maverick, hopefully will have it done for this Friday to run both classes. I'll make sure to take out Jason so you guys can have the points ;)
thanks shawn that is very thoughtfull of you. :devil:

Yea brian you need the wolf king pins the associated are shorter I'm not sure about the IRS ones.

Congratz to Steve Padano for throwing down TWO sub 7 second laps in Pro-Spec this past Friday night. A 6.8 and 6.9!!! Strong work dude!

Shawn

Sub 7 laps huh? Congrats Steve. :thumbsup: I've been able to get from a best lap of 8.2 sec a few weeks ago to a 7.61 lap (and several 7.65 - 7.70 laps) on Friday afternoon.

I'm getting faster...but so is everyone else.

Now I know how the USSR felt at the end of the Cold War. :cool:

Hey guys. I have a question for the experts:

I just upgraded my front end with Wolff springs and now my stock king pin seems too short. Should I get the Wolff long kingpin? Is the IRS kingpin (the one that doesn't require E-clips)longer than stock? Or should I run with my springs partially compressed?

(BTW, I'm using George's setup from the Pro-Spec website and its amazing how much it improved the car!! Thanks for posting it.)Brian- You're welcome! lol I can't believe that there's actually someone who'll even try my goofy-a** setup! Yes,get the Wolfe long kingpin when using their springs. The IRS ones will work with the Wolfe springs. They're a bit longer than stock,but shorter than the Wolfe pins. It's your choice!
-George

I hear that the Red #91 Dodge that "terrorized" the last Pro-Spec point series will be making it's return this Friday night in order to prepare to run another Pro-Spec point series? Any truth behind this?? Muhahaha!

Also,congrats to Steve Pedano for his sub-7 sec laps! It was bound to happen sooner or later! lol And yes,his motor is legal!
-George

Sounds like there's gonna be a good point series coming up for Pro-Spec. I'm ordering a new motor and a new battery. Can't wait. I know George wants some revenge over that last series. Jason didn't plaque that last one, so I know he'll be hungry, plus Padano and Stoney are fast. Eugene will be in the hunt as well I'm sure. Looking forward to it.

In 19t I've given up on the RED rf and went softer this past Friday with PURPLE all around. My car handled a lot better. Next week I'll throw MAGENTAs on the rears and see how it handles. Congrats to Jason for finishing 3rd in the 19t Main.

Shawn

I can't believe that there's actually someone who'll even try my goofy-a** setup!

My old setup was stock L4, with random recommendations from a half dozen people, but no plan. It handled like a truck--not a NASTRUCK, but more like the UPS truck!

The only thing I didn't copy was the orange RF. I tried it, but it just didn't work for me. Of course, my front springs are about halfway compressed due to the shorter kingpin. That problem will go away tomorrow when the FedEx guy arrives. Maybe I'll try the orange RF again next time I get to the track.

My old setup was stock L4, with random recommendations from a half dozen people, but no plan. It handled like a truck--not a NASTRUCK, but more like the UPS truck!

The only thing I didn't copy was the orange RF. I tried it, but it just didn't work for me. Of course, my front springs are about halfway compressed due to the shorter kingpin. That problem will go away tomorrow when the FedEx guy arrives. Maybe I'll try the orange RF again next time I get to the track.Bryan- Actually,I tried an Orange RF Sunday & it didn't work on my new KGB,unlike the other KGB I used last series. Same w/the front springs,but that may be due to me running a sway bar lately. I might try a softer spring combo Fri. Try a Blue RF & a Green LF. Use 2 green rears if the back end wants to come around in the turns. Otherwise,2 blue rears will work-but w/softer side springs than Gold. (Red RR;Blue LR)
If you're still getting loose in the turns,take some steering out of your radio & adjust tweak. (Make that rear-end sit flatter)
LMK if ya need anymore cheats..err,tips! lol
-George

George Is Aborting His Stock Series Career After Fri. night. Only Gave It One Shot And Is Going Back To Spec. Booo!!!! George Booo!!! I Was Really Looking Foward To Racing With Ya!

Sounds like there's gonna be a good point series coming up for Pro-Spec. I'm ordering a new motor and a new battery. Can't wait. I know George wants some revenge over that last series. Jason didn't plaque that last one, so I know he'll be hungry, plus Padano and Stoney are fast. Eugene will be in the hunt as well I'm sure. Looking forward to it.

I don't even know if I'll finish this point series with my old reliable 10lss. After Friday nights demolision derby, I am surprise the car is still in one piece, well some of it. It might be time to pass this car to my son. He is the one use to bumping and crashing and thinks its fun ;)

Hopefully the car will be fixed by this Friday or I may have to finish setting up the other car :jest:

I sold gary my JR XR3i radio so he can dial out some steering and it seemed to work alot better for him. I dial almost all of the right steering and most of the left. He was talking about not racing till he got a better handle on it but I told him the point series is already set and then there will be 2 non points races so he might as well come on out. I just hate to see some one get scared and not come back. he wants to do well it just takes practice, some longer than others. I will only be racing spec this season.my other car will be setup for branford.

I would like to leave the batteries and motor rules the same and just open up tires. we will have to have a vote before the next season so think about it. :rolleyes:

We already have open tires on 19T and Stock. Leave Pro-Spec as "spec" as possible. Even though Pro-Spec at HW is far from being a newbie class, its the only thing we have that's close.

I don't want to scare away new drivers either.

I thought I heard george say he was gonna do pro-spec and slow-cell stock.

If we keep opening it up we lose the Spec nature of the class. But whatever we vote on is what we will go with. Next Friday we should get together and vote on the rules to give everyone enough time to get prepared if we make any changes. I'd like to offer up that we can use "R" brushes, still easily teched and its a softer brush, less harsh on the comm. We used to use them when the store ran out of "S" brushes.

I thought I heard george say he was gonna do pro-spec and slow-cell stock.

If we keep opening it up we lose the Spec nature of the class. But whatever we vote on is what we will go with. Next Friday we should get together and vote on the rules to give everyone enough time to get prepared if we make any changes. I'd like to offer up that we can use "R" brushes, still easily teched and its a softer brush, less harsh on the comm. We used to use them when the store ran out of "S" brushes.Shawn- Nope! Gonna stick w/Pro-Spec starting this Friday. I'd like to throw in my vote for either "S" or "R" brushes-still w/ black or silver springs. As for tires,I'll go either way on those. I practiced Sunday w/ the same tires as in 19t and my Spec tires. The wear on the 19t tires was way better than the Spec rubber,but IMO,the car handled almost the same. Also,my Spec 1600's are still good & I found another motor (out of 7 in my collection) that is comparable to my infamous #3 motor.
-George

George Is Aborting His Stock Series Career After Fri. night. Only Gave It One Shot And Is Going Back To Spec. Booo!!!! George Booo!!! I Was Really Looking Foward To Racing With Ya!Sorry,Chris! I miss having the 2 extra cells & being fast! lol BTW,I'm gonna work on your #'s this week. Any particular color?? LMK
-George

we have about 4 newbys in the class that I know of they seem to be doing well in the class you can't expect to win a plaque your fist season but I would like to se a rookie of the year award for the most improved driver. are you going to race this season bryan?

Are the r brushes stamped like the s brushes?

Yep, the R brushes have a big R in the same spot that the S brushes do. The "R" brush is what ARCOR spec classes run that are "closed" brush.

Yep, the R brushes have a big R in the same spot that the S brushes do. The "R" brush is what ARCOR spec classes run that are "closed" brush. ]

Here is the quote from the Spec rules from ARCOR.
"13. Only R/C Legends or Street Spec motors are allowed, with the label intact. Replacement brushes must be RACE PREP “R” brushes, with the “R” stamped into the end of the brush. (RP-9000 or RP-9001) Solder or eyelet brushes may be used. NO SERRATIONS ALLOWED. Stock Legends/Street Spec motor springs must be used. Label may be removed. Motor must remain Stock with no internal or external modifications permitted. No lightened arms allowed. "

There are a few Spec classes under ARCOR rules. It would be cool if we ran a few of those classes run at HW.
http://www.arcor-rc.com

Sorry,Chris! I miss having the 2 extra cells & being fast! lol BTW,I'm gonna work on your #'s this week. Any particular color?? LMK
-George
Miller blue and white is cool

George will you email me the sheets from touring and 4 cell stock Thanks man..

You pro spec guys think your so BAD with your 2 more cells and 6 less turn motors don't ya..... lol Seriously though you all are so far away from being spec it's not even funny. I think you all should either run true spec or quit calling it spec. How about 6 cell stock trucks huh huh huh. now that would be fun. and the rate you all are going probly cheaper.

......There are a few Spec classes under ARCOR rules. It would be cool if we ran a few of those classes run at HW.
http://www.arcor-rc.com (http://www.arcor-rc.com [/QUOTE) Except for the open tires & brushes,we're running close to their "6-cell open spec" class.

Stock guys spend more dough than i do and go slower, period. My batteries are 17 bucks each. my tires are just over 10 bucks a pair, and my motor is 20 bucks. Remember, i didn't go into the Stock thread and start whining, oh wait, there isn't a stock thread ;) j/k kidding dude, you're all right, and when you want some competition, you'll come and run some spec ;) hee hee hee... had to.

George, you're right. I like that Open spec class, I think the better tires would last longer. Again, if we change the class enough we can make it into a seperate class and still let the newbies run in Pro-Spec. We can just call it "Open Spec" and make the only rules these, Spec battery, Spec motor. Done. Everything else goes. Since we are going with ARCOR in 19t, makes sense to use them for our Spec classes.

Let's do it!

ARCOR 6 Cell OPEN SPEC

Any pan car chassis. Any radio and electronics. Any tire combination. Street Spec/Legends motor and 6 Cell Street Spec batteries. Any gearing. Any brush/cut and spring combination. Sponsor stickers and decals may not be displayed on the body, car, or any portion thereof.

Here is the link to the above.
http://www.arcor-rc.com/arcor2003/Rule_Book_Page13.asp

We can leave out the "sponsor sticker" part of it. Or I would have to take off my Maverick stickers ;)

I may try putting some 4383's on my Spec motor & run my 19t tires Friday night,just to see what they'll do lap-wise.
BTW,there's nothing wrong w/those Stock guys. I couldn't figure out their gearing for anything. Even Chris gave me his gearing & I was still slow. Maybe if I charged at 8 amps,I would be fast? But I think I've recently inherited his hard-charging driving style. Not much different than mine,except for a few new things. lol Ask Stoney about how he got passed in Sunday's practice! lol
-George

That's right George I usually give them one lap to let me by ...Then it's time for me to assist you in getting out of my way!!!!!! JK Most of the time it just racin. I am just a wreck maginet.lol

If you have'nt run stock yet give it a try. It's really the same on the $$ and the racing is alot closer once you get the hang of it. It's not like the other classes where when you miss the line or bump the pipe the power is there to bring you right back up to speed you will get frieght trained. That is the only down side. Remember Spec Boys 4 cell stock is a step up not down . Alot of ya'll skipped a step and went to 19 turn and are now going back to spec. just my 2 cents. Atleast George tried it. What did you not like about it George?? Turn spec back into spec so the newbies have there own place to start. What happen to sarting a 6 cell Truck class??? I am just starting conversation I don't want to upset anyone it just seems like If you are new there is no place to start and have fun. Just be a road obstacle :(

are you going to race this season bryan?

I'll be racing all four Fridays in August. I'm trying to get my work schedule changed to allow me to race regularly again after that. If we go to Saturday night racing, I'm definitely going to be racing.

But, I'm getting the car ready and practicing like I'll be there.

I may try putting some 4383's on my Spec motor & run my 19t tires Friday night,just to see what they'll do lap-wise.
BTW,there's nothing wrong w/those Stock guys. I couldn't figure out their gearing for anything. Even Chris gave me his gearing & I was still slow. Maybe if I charged at 8 amps,I would be fast? But I think I've recently inherited his hard-charging driving style. Not much different than mine,except for a few new things. lol Ask Stoney about how he got passed in Sunday's practice! lol
-George
george kept saying I learned that from cris.

Yep, the R brushes have a big R in the same spot that the S brushes do. The "R" brush is what ARCOR spec classes run that are "closed" brush.
I think the R brushes would be good than. just need to keep it ez to tech. :thumbsup:

anyone up for branford saturday night. nastruck short track yea!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:

I've run 4-cell and 6-cell stock at stricklands, the rug, cpt, hobby world, and snowbirds. sorry dude, but its slower. You yourself are still trying to run 32 laps, 6 or 7 guys have done that in spec, including me who has turned 33, and we only have like 7+ guys that are regulars. I do give you credit for making them almost as fast with 2 less cells though. Stock is a great place to start because its slower paced so you can learn to drive and setup the car. My experience in 4-cell at the snowbirds made me start winning at HW in pro-spec. So much so that my motor got taken apart a little ;) I love how stock guys always try and dog Spec. Many have come before you dude, Katfish, Big Don, etc. "The spec motor is a fishing weight".

I agree with you though about "no place to start" at hobby world. A mandatory "break-out" class where you have to turn 30 laps before you can go into the other classes would be nice to see.

If you know for sure you will be doing 19t, I recommend doing stock to start off with. But if you just want a class that won't cost you as much and is just as fun, run spec. Its faster with $17 6-cell packs. ;)

If you have'nt run stock yet give it a try. It's really the same on the $$ and the racing is alot closer once you get the hang of it. It's not like the other classes where when you miss the line or bump the pipe the power is there to bring you right back up to speed you will get frieght trained. That is the only down side. Remember Spec Boys 4 cell stock is a step up not down . Alot of ya'll skipped a step and went to 19 turn and are now going back to spec. just my 2 cents. Atleast George tried it. What did you not like about it George?? Turn spec back into spec so the newbies have there own place to start. What happen to sarting a 6 cell Truck class??? I am just starting conversation I don't want to upset anyone it just seems like If you are new there is no place to start and have fun. Just be a road obstacle :(
George, just don't start going any faster using the same equipment as the stock guys, or you'll get into even more trouble.. lol j/k imagine using the same brush/springs and tires as the stock guys do?? Then we'd be doing all 6.9's all the way down ;) Too bad we are stuck with these 10 dollar tires and we're all using this crappy "S" brush still and only doing 6.8's ;( ;( hee hee you know I'm just messing with you stock guys. I like stock, its a great class to get started in. ;)

Blah Blah Blah is it my turn yet....Let's see I've ran Pro-spec, 4c stock, 6c stock, break out....oh yeah ran 6c mod one time....opps last Friday I raced legends...race what ever class you enjoy and gives you the most competition. For me pro-spec is the class and a whole lot cheaper.

Let's keep the same rules. We have some new guys racing with us now and let's not scare them away. Plus there are three other guys thinking about racing spec with us. If we change the current rules they may not be able to race or have enough for their class.

We have something good here. One type of motor, one type of battery (well two at HW), three types of tires. Compare all that to 4c stock or 19t. Not to knock on those guys. Spec is suppose to be low cost racing and lets keep it that way.

Stoney let Gary know he has to learn in real race situation. The more he race with us the better he will be. It doesn't matter if the wrecks or crashes into someone. It's all racing.

anyone up for branford saturday night. nastruck short track yea!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:
Didn't know they were racing hmm....I might have to join you in some nastruck

well said Eugene k.i.s.s. if you want a open tire race stock if you want a open brush run stock leave it alone.

Fockers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there just toy cars!!!!!!!!!!!

George, just don't start going any faster using the same equipment as the stock guys, or you'll get into even more trouble.. lol j/k imagine using the same brush/springs and tires as the stock guys do?? Then we'd be doing all 6.9's all the way down ;) Too bad we are stuck with these 10 dollar tires and we're all using this crappy "S" brush still and only doing 6.8's ;( ;( hee hee you know I'm just messing with you stock guys. I like stock, its a great class to get started in. ;)
Give me 2 more cells or take away 2 of yours and we'll see what's what. I am not dogging spec I just think the concept of spec was .
1. It cost the least
2. they are slow and the kits are simple.
3. learn how to drive cheap. then upgrade to stock. then 19 and so on.
you guy's have just turned it into something else that takes away from new people tring to get in. That's all I'm saying.
Now you can run whatever chassis , what ever brushes and it's just not SPEC!
instead of having 10 16 $ batteries buy 3 B+T's. and run 6 cell truck or just run 4 cell stock.
Guy's look I am not tring to insult you or be an a-hole. There are guys in 4 cell stock and "pro spec" who could really use SPEC and all these Pro mod, spec, open class ya'll got going is taking that away. Oh and I raced tom's Spec car one night your very lucky you all are the only ones with 6 cells at HW. And from what I hear Tom's spec car is pretty good.
GO SOX!!
Chris

Shawn do you really think spec is more advanced then 4 cell stock????
If stock is the place to learn then they will have to pay more so they can learn how to drive and tune a car . Then what's all this low cost crap for people who already know how can race for less?? Look I am just throwing out an idea to help get more racers. I am not insulting anyone. All I know is people come to the track get waxed and we never see them again. Guy's there is no class for them right now :confused:

the only reason I want to open up tires is the cost. sure the spec tires are cheaper per pair but I think in the long run the better tires would be cheaper with longer wear.as far as the brushes I don't realy care I just want to be able to tech them with eez. shawn has said they are not as hard on the comm. so if I can make my motor last longer too, well I am all for that. I don,t think that will scare anyone away from the class. I know when I was a rookie I started out in 19 turn and I won a third place plaque in my 2nd season but I did not win any races I was just consistant.

Chris,

You are right about that. I started racing R/C last October. After a couple months in Pro-Spec of finishing last and about 6-8 laps behind the leader, I gave it up and switched to TC.

It turned out that it was good decision because TC teaches you to DRIVE a car. A properly setup oval car just needs to be guided around the track. An improperly setup car is just a brick on wheels out there. In TC, you learn to race with a car that is loose in some places and pushing in others. You are racing in corners that are 4-6' wide. You are racing on tires that change over a 5 minute race. You learn to drive the car and the track, no matter how much the two are trying to wreck you.

There's also a lot of chassis setup skills to be learned from TC.

And when you get comfortable with your driving and Crew Chief skills in TC, its time to try oval. The speeds are much higher, but it almost seems slow motion after driving TC.

Now, I'm not bashing oval drivers or saying that TC is harder. Actually, I'm saying that TC is easier! The good oval drivers (and TC drivers) at HW are real artists out there on the track and I don't even try to kid myself that my car and skills can beat them (yet!). But, I think that true beginers should be steered toward TC and we should take a serious look at running T-Spec for beginners to teach driving skills before they get an oval car and turn it into a badly-guided missile in Pro-Spec.

Pro-Spec should be athe class for beginner oval drivers, but not for beginner R/C drivers.

I get where your coming from bryan. and your t spec idea is a good one.hmm :thumbsup:

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