I'm not new to the hobby, only to electic stadium trucks. I have one quick question. Should I buy a used FT t3 in great shape or go with the new t4? Will I notice that huge of a difference? I'll be racing guys with the XXX-T and T4. Will the t3 FT be almost equal in performance to the standard t4? Thanks for any response.

If you can set it up and drive, it will be competitive. Just because a vehicle is of "the last generation" doesn't mean it won't be competitve. A lot of it to me would depend on price. If it is a smokin' deal compared to what a T4 would cost, go for it!

Definetly go with the t3 out my home track t3's do better than t4's. they dont break as much as t4's and you can also find them vrey cheap

no definitally the xxxt's are doing the best at are track kybob remember nextime mike wont break

I was running a XXXT MF (all graphite and all the goodies) and bought a used T3 that was all stock not Team Truck (no graphite). I rebuilt it and immediately ran one lap more than with the XXXT MF.

I believe the T3 will work. You can buy them cheap and parts are out there.

Yeah, I'm getting a good deal on one. The lhs stocks the parts because people still race the truck. Although, there is only one in the mod class I'll be racing in.

[QUOTE=craftmastaschiz]no definitally the xxxt's are doing the best at are track kybob remember nextime mike wont break[/QUOTE

don't listen to this idiot I know him he pits right next to me and can't drive an rc car for his life. the t3 is a great truck, it is indestructible and handles quite well. there is a guy at our track who is always in second place who runs a t3 rtr.

In offroad its all in the driving and tuning.

On those brown roadcourses that they call offroad tracks where they usually hold big races its a bit different, but thats not offroad.

I have both a T-3 and a new T-4 and I noticed a difference in handling right off the bat. The 4 will outhandle the 3 on the rough stuff and is almost an inch wider than the 3. It is defianately more stable at highg speed than the 3 was but the 3 still is a good offroad truck, I run mine in Mod class and have got some of the T-4 front end parts in my T-3 to make it wider, I also put T-4 parts in my GT front end to make it wider sweet deal on seting that up[

Everything is competitive, it's all in the set up and driving The T3 will be good and just as good as whatever is out there racing..........alot of it is personnal prefrence and latest and greatest mentality.........go out have fun,try to get the factory manual set up because it is always a good starting point..Good Luck

don't listen to this idiot I know him he pits right next to me and can't drive an rc car for his life. the t3 is a great truck, it is indestructible and handles quite well. there is a guy at our track who is always in second place who runs a t3 rtr. [/QUOTE]

ok the guy in second place does drive a t3 but dont een kid urself the xxxt is so much better and plus u cant say i cant race cause lets see how did u do last week

It certainly should be.

a t3 most definately should be, given the correct tooling to be so... if you used the same tires as the other cars, you'd definately be competitive, as long as the truck itself is in good working order and is set up properly... i've seen mfe's finish dead last in C-mains before due to poor setups..


-Tone

Go for the T3...if you don't like it, you can always sell it and buy something else... :p

What does the XXX-T have that the T3 doesn't?

What does the T3 have that the XXX-T doesn't?

Thanks

Simply put Losi = Externally adjustable diffs and easy building shocks

Associated Great (but a bit harder to do) shocks - Aggressive nature

Outside of that are these trucks that much different...to the average driver...not really. Id say the Losi is a bit easier to drive for a neewB (pushier) but the T3-4 is faster or "dartier". Of course this is completely an opinion from someone that has had both Losi and Associated Trucks.

Simply put Losi = Externally adjustable diffs and easy building shocks

Associated Great (but a bit harder to do) shocks - Aggressive nature

Outside of that are these trucks that much different...to the average driver...not really. Id say the Losi is a bit easier to drive for a neewB (pushier) but the T3-4 is faster or "dartier". Of course this is completely an opinion from someone that has had both Losi and Associated Trucks.

I completely agree with you considering i just sold my t3 and got a mfe xxx-t i now prefer the mfe over the t3 but i still like some aspects on the t3 more than the xxx-t and vice versus

Simply put Losi = Externally adjustable diffs and easy building shocks

Associated Great (but a bit harder to do) shocks - Aggressive nature

Outside of that are these trucks that much different...to the average driver...not really. Id say the Losi is a bit easier to drive for a neewB (pushier) but the T3-4 is faster or "dartier". Of course this is completely an opinion from someone that has had both Losi and Associated Trucks.

How do you get the air out of the shocks when rebuilding? With AE's you can pump the piston up and down, but Losi's are bottom loaders.

wish i could find a T3

They are all good trucks its personal prefrence,T3,s are cheep to buy now.T4,s are a little more fore-giving to drive. I run a T4. Another thing to think about -parts?- What parts are available at the track and local hobbie shop? Most places stock a huge associated parts inventory while LOSI is usally smaller. Dont get me wrong they are both exellent choices but I chose Associated because of the parts avalibility.

How do you get the air out of the shocks when rebuilding? With AE's you can pump the piston up and down, but Losi's are bottom loaders.

you do the exact same thing only unpside down

Well, I haven't ran a T4 yet, but I do have a XXX-T, XXX-T MFE, and a T3. I personally like running the Losi's outdoors, mainly because they seem to handle for me more than the T3 does. I haven't really messed with the T3 all that much to actually make it faster, but if your getting a good deal on the T3, I'd say go for it, nothing wrong with getting an older truck to hook up and beat these new trucks out there. :)

Losi shocks...Fill em up, insert the piston and threaded peice in and begin to screw it in about a couple threads only, slowly push in the piston and tighten the rest of the way after venting the air. They are super easy!

Hard to explain via a keyboard...at least for me, hope this made sense.

I agree with an earlier post about t3's being cheap now, but look around so are most of the xxxt's since the XXXT2 or whatever is comming out. (Off on a tangent but quit with the alphabet soup names already!) Pay somebody a cool 20 spot to name the freaking thing something other than the xxxtt-3,4,5,6,7 rtr evo edition I mean call it the freaking Super turd or SOMETHING!

sorry....Ill take my medication now.

kybob was right earlier...with the shock answer

Older trucks are still able to race. I run a LXT at my track, and do good. Last week I was leading the A-Main and there are MFs, T4s, and a T2. I was doing good untill I got pressured and made a few mistakes and then got hit by the dreaded "false peak battery"!

To me, it's all about driving. If you can't drive it, you can't win, it don't matter what it is. It's fun driving a 10 year old truck against the lastest and greatest, and still have a good chance of winning.

wish i could find a T3

Cncapece@charter.net

Do you want pics of my Factory Team T3 I'm selling.

Older trucks are still able to race. I run a LXT at my track, and do good. Last week I was leading the A-Main and there are MFs, T4s, and a T2. I was doing good untill I got pressured and made a few mistakes and then got hit by the dreaded "false peak battery"!

To me, it's all about driving. If you can't drive it, you can't win, it don't matter what it is. It's fun driving a 10 year old truck against the lastest and greatest, and still have a good chance of winning.

You are right about the driving part.
The reason I need a better truck is that on my track the t3 can't handle some of the bigger jumps and deeper ruts that a t4 or MF can just cruise over. Since the t3 is more narrow than the others I can be more aggressive in driving, but it is very easy to overdrive the truck and get into trouble.

If I had to go with a truck on price, I would probably do the XXX-T as they can be had as cheap as the T3 and its design is closer to the current vehicle that losi produces ( MF2 ). The T4 though is my favorite truck overall, as it just handles something fierce. really soaks up the jumps.

I just got me a t3 RTR and so far i like it alot.

gonna get rid of my t4 now, and get me a mini-t, full set of dirt hawgs and a battery holddown for my t3 :thumbsup:

now if i could get rid of a few more cars, id be set!

Losi is great. Associated is great. My first losi was the MF1, now I have a MF2. My reason for sticking with losi is because from what I have see the T4 breaks a bunch and I wanted to stay with a truck that I am familiar with. Some of the drivers I have seen break T4's break them because of the way they drive. All trucks are competitive. No matter what anyone says everytruck is competitive. There is not better truck, only a better driver. Winning is ALL about setup, electronics, and skill. And besides I know people with T4's who have never broke a part.

-Dustin :dude:

I think Associated missed with the T-4. I drove one and was not impressed with it so I modifyed my T-3 and now it drives more like a XXX-T. over all the T-3 is more bullet proof than the T-4 and XXX-t .

Why do you need a bullet proof truck?? I havent got shot at lately in my MF2. Maybe your in the bad part of town??

haha funny

Yeah,

Losi makes a tough truck. I love my MF2.:thumbsup:

I have beat alot of losi trucks and not from my driving. because I did not brake. Even losi guys know that Associated builds the tranny

that is true a coupel people from my track have mf2's and they put powerful 13 turn motors in them and the transmission case actually melted and caused the truck not to move.

Sounds as if you havent seen the new MF2, Swamp thing. And yes it was your driving that helped you win because if not you wouldv'e hit something and broke!!!! Guys you have to get over what company is better. Each one of us drives a diffrent style. some just punch it while others that have throttle control just fly by them!! Others cars that are not set up well will always drive like crap no matter what the car company!!!

Tranny case melted??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOW THATS FUNNY I DONT CARE WHO YA ARE!! HAHAHAH

i have to agree with otto i had a t3 then i went to a mfe 1 and the mf was just set up perfectly thus making me a better driver and the car doing what i wanted it to do, because i had a good setup.

Tranny case melted??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOW THATS FUNNY I DONT CARE WHO YA ARE!! HAHAHAH

both of them are sending back there broken or melted cases back to losi and losi is going to replace them free of charge

If the tranny case melted it was operator error. The only things I know of that will melt a trans case is way over-gear, Diff way loose, or inproper assembly.

All the trucks are competitive if setup properly. when ever associated or losi come out with a new kit there is a learning curve on setup. Both cars are equally fast but will break if you crash alot.

I like my MF2!

Well otto 3478s you must not have seen my driving I manage to hit a tube or two every race. And a tranny case melt down sounds like some one goofed when building the tranny. And no I have not seen the new MF2 have heard nothing but good about it. Over all set up is the key to if the car or truck will handle or not. I raced a home made truck for ten year and was competitive with it. I will say the losi XXX-t I dove was easier to drive than the T-3 or T-4.

Even losi guys know that Associated builds the tranny.
Dunno about the rest of it but I'll agree with you on the diff. Ive never been able to get a Losi diff as smooth as an AE, close but not quite the same. What I do find funny though is Losi in the XXX Gen 2 tranny, going to the AE style spring in the diff. :) Of course they previously had gotten rid of the thrust bearing "cage" in favor of the AE style, another good idea.

Be for you know it you will not be able to tell losi and associated apart it seems like as time go's on they take idea's from each other. Not that is a bad thing.After 14 years of racing I have seen a lot of changes.

If the tranny case melted it was operator error. The only things I know of that will melt a trans case is way over-gear, Diff way loose, or inproper assembly.

All the trucks are competitive if setup properly. when ever associated or losi come out with a new kit there is a learning curve on setup. Both cars are equally fast but will break if you crash alot.

I like my MF2!

A bearing seizing up will melt a diff case. Best way to do that with losi bearings is put it in cockeyed or have gritty bearings before install.

XXX-SCapece- umm wouldnt that go under INPROPER ASSMEBLY :rolleyes: WOW! :lol:

I just wish you could adjust the associated diff without disassembling the truck.
I have ran my bk2 diff for 5 months and it was still smooth as glass.

I have had losi cars for a few years now, and i baught a mf2 and a bk2 a couple of months ago and they are awsome, my mf2 has not lost to a t4 yet, most of the people who drive my mf2 and have t4s are jumping ships to losi

That dose suck with associated when the diff needs to be adjusted. but when set you very seldom adjust till time to rebuild. Are any of you going to the race at RC World in LYNN INDIANA this coming week end and for the hog roast. If you are see you there.

Tranny case melted??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOW THATS FUNNY I DONT CARE WHO YA ARE!! HAHAHAH

I agree with you otto,

I am looking at my MF2 tranny case right now and it baffles me to think that is would melt! :jest:

I agree with you otto,

I am looking at my MF2 tranny case right now and it baffles me to think that is would melt!


u know what with all the problems that i had with my mf2 before i sold it that actually wouldn't surprise me.
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