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You guys let Joneser win Mod 12th?? We'll never hear the end of how good he is now!! GEEEZ!!!

So did Hermann run the Pro4 all night? because if he did he was REALLY fast with it.

I guess I just SUCK!!!

Ray

You guys let Joneser win Mod 12th?? We'll never hear the end of how good he is now!! GEEEZ!!!

So did Hermann run the Pro4 all night? because if he did he was REALLY fast with it.

I guess I just SUCK!!!

RayJoneser ran very well in 1/12 tonight. The last qual and main I had motors problems but for the most part my 1/12 was flawless. In the last qual I was on a 39 8:06 until the motor quit.

I hate to break the news to you Ray but Jimmy ran the pro 4 all night. It ran awsome.

Paul

Ray....nothing further will be said....I had a little fun while I was there but I won because I was clean and had run time. I should have broke 36 in the last two heats but had a few issues early on in the main. I am driving well right now.....I would love to see what it would be like with everyone running a 19 turn like I am. I do have a perfectly clear picture of my actual standing in 12th scale so I wont be doing any bragging.

Jimmy and the PRO 4 looked great....I drove it after the main and it was nice. fealt good and it was fast. My tc3 was dialed:rolleyes: I broke 2 arms 2 knuckles (2 knuckles in 1 heat) and ended up finding out that the servo saver screw had backed out....its no wonder it was undrivable.

[QUOTE=joneser]Ray....nothing further will be said....I had a little fun while I was there but I won because I was clean and had run time.


Eric,
Awesome dude. That is exactly what it takes to win races. Do not sell yourself short bro. You are becoming a real threat on the race track.............. I am anxious to see you race next season especially if you continue to run all summer.

Jimmy and the PRO 4 looked great....I drove it after the main and it was nice. fealt good and it was fast.

I just looked at the lap times from the main and I have "NEVER" seen Jimmy run that consistent. He may have found his car. Only three laps not in the 13 second range. Killer............ Wish I lived a little closer and did not work nights.................

Rob,


Just curious, what didn't you like about the car that made you get rid of it?

Jim

Just parts and am starting to parking lot race. Car was too damn pretty for that:)

My car was actually very good at multiple tracks. Just was not goot at the Gate. I tried a new set up and we had a light turn out so there was not enough time to make the right changes. I think you would like the car if you decided to run it.

RB

Lets not get carried away. Yes, I am driving 12th scale much better but no comparison can be made because those guys are running 10 turns and I am running a 19 turn. I know that if we ran stock tonight, I would be much more competitive but I am not crazy enough to think that I'm there yet. Working with Chicky and running this summer will hopefully pay off. I am learning more every week about seeing and feeling what the car is doing. I now need to learn what to do about it after I know it:) . A couple more weeks of 19turn and then we may break out the Hara 9 turn.....just need to make sure there is a supply of 12th scale front end parts at the track! One thing I will say for sure....Huang and Medved will be in trouble in stock 12th scale!!! Sorry Ray!


Jimmy looked good last night.....I was ready to sell the car....having second thoughts right now. Parts probably wont be an issue for too long but for the time being, it certainly does suck! The tc3 is a stupid fast car but after having run and built the Xray and the Pro 4, It is depressing to look at the tc3. I love having to replace parts because they are worn out....not broken:rolleyes: can't imagine doing that on an Xray or the pro 4. What to do?????
[QUOTE=joneser]Ray....nothing further will be said....I had a little fun while I was there but I won because I was clean and had run time.


Eric,
Awesome dude. That is exactly what it takes to win races. Do not sell yourself short bro. You are becoming a real threat on the race track.............. I am anxious to see you race next season especially if you continue to run all summer.

Congratulations Eric I am pumped you won and by a smidge over Brian Rice who we all know is FAST!!!

ON the Pro4-I guess I just have top admit I suck. I too think the car handles well-its looks pretty quick on acceleration to me-but I am running 14.2 and Chicky and JImmy are running 13.3. I am confused :mad: -I mean I know this sounds cocky-but I think I am able to run within 0.2 to 0.3 off of you guys now. Look at the Nats-I ran 12.4 in 12th and 12.8 in Touring -I just dont get it.

I think I am going to go cry now :cry:

I think we are getting a little crazy with the congrats....win by default is not all that impressive. Congrats for driving better maybe but the "win" was worth a little mouthing off on the stand but that was only in fun and I completely understand the reasons I "won".Brian would have done much better had he used his brain and set up his speedo before the evening got started. He will be much better next time out.

Pro-4 was good and you have been close to Jimmy and Paul in the past. I am not sure why this would be so different. I do know that when I drove the Pro-4 after jimmy set it up, it was the most drivable car Jimmy has ever had. Normally if you take his controller and car you think....my god...how is this piece of crap beating me this bad!!! Car has some potential. It seems like a tc3 with all the right things done to it. Parts are and issue right now but that cant be the case forever. I am just going crazy.....I was going to sell it but my speedo was causing me some issues with it and its much better now. Then there is my love of the XRAY.....still think its the best all around car out there....lastly there is the TC3....FAST piece of CRAP!

Congratulations Eric I am pumped you won and by a smidge over Brian Rice who we all know is FAST!!!

ON the Pro4-I guess I just have top admit I suck. I too think the car handles well-its looks pretty quick on acceleration to me-but I am running 14.2 and Chicky and JImmy are running 13.3. I am confused :mad: -I mean I know this sounds cocky-but I think I am able to run within 0.2 to 0.3 off of you guys now. Look at the Nats-I ran 12.4 in 12th and 12.8 in Touring -I just dont get it.

I think I am going to go cry now :cry:

I love the TC3 in that speedy way!!! I spent a hour rebuilding the shocks the other night-smooooth as butter-awaiting my new BMI conversion for it!!

I am confident in the Pro4 still. I just wish I could run it a full night as I am left just wondering and I hate that.

The Xray-well I am getting that tricked out chassis from BMI for it this week too. Batteries WAY forward (think Cyrul), but not staggered and some other mods to make it ideal for the short arms.

But honestly-I am just extremely comptitive (arent we all) and I hate not being anywhere near the ballpark right now.

I asked the man himself-Hodgimoto-about the XXXS and getting it to square up on exit and have ANY on-power steering and he said:

quote:ray-Run 1/A rear link...this will help the car rotate. You can run prosquat....it will give the car more onpower steering. I also like to run the 41t pulley in the front. This helps the car steer everywhere. I then adjust the overdrive by just making my front tires a bit smaller than my rears.

So-you see I was right about the pro-squat!! :lol:

Ray

How do i put prosquat on my car??? I am running the 41T pulley in the front, and i am running the 1A position. You are having a hard time driving my car. I feel it but not as much as you do, so if you are going to be there this next wednesday for practice, we will run it until we get it perfect. Let me know on saturday or what not. see you then,
-Buddy

Buddy-its your car-so if you like it you dont have to change it!!! You look really good driving it as is. But I think it would be faster if we did make a few changes. bring your car and all the rear blocks. Was it pushing less on power after taking out some of your throttle EXP?

It was pushing a little less, but still pushing, so i do want to make those changes, it cant hurt....Are you talking about all of my roll center blocks, or my block that i can choose 0, 2, or 4? Either way i will bring both.
-Buddy

The ones to choose 0, 2 or 4. We will end up putting one of them n the bottom or top set of holes and it might be up-or upside down. We'' make it up as we go along.

LOve, Goetz and I found we could feel a dramatic change in handling from a 1/2mm of pro-squat.

ok, sounds good.
-Buddy

Hmmmm, ya me too I could tell the differance too. What in the world is prosquat anyways?

Jim
:rolleyes:

Hmmmm, ya me too I could tell the differance too. What in the world is prosquat anyways?

Jim
:rolleyes:

You dont need it!! You just drive!!! BTW-please leave the Pro4 at track Sat. please so i can nab the 2 deg block off the back.

Thanks,
Ray

Rain-Rain-Rain.....Right now Mentor is calling for Rain Saturday all day, but only 30% and Medina is calling for rain after 6pm-again 30% chance!!!

Lookin like the only thing to do Sat. will be a swap meet!!

Ray

Hey Ray, I got your PM and sent you a reply. My flyer is being passed out in a lot of places so support should grow over the summer

hay guys....with foam tires what does 37 shore mean?....thanks....Mike

hay guys....with foam tires what does 37 shore mean?....thanks....Mike

Its a rating that comes off of a Durometer gauge. It shows the hardness of the tire. Shore and colors (30. 32, 42, Purple BLue, Magenta) assume that all tires of that shore or color are the same Durometer-but often they are quite different if you have an accurate gauge and master a consistent technique to getting the reading.

Gas guys will often durometer alll there tires and make sets as those cars are very sensitive to shore.

I think for us electric guys-we can run Purples all season and not really feel a difference if one sets 37 and anothers 40. Maybe because we use so much traction compound.

Ray

Ray -- Thanks....
one more question -- for the TC3 at the Gate -- are the best tires still Jaco purple and plaid? Or is Jaco dbl pink and dbl pink/orange the way to go?

Hey Ray, i am bringing my car on wednesday, as well as Goetz is letting me borrow his TC3 to see what i do with it. So what time will you be there so that we can get started with my car as soon as possible?
-Buddy

Hey Ray, i am bringing my car on wednesday, as well as Goetz is letting me borrow his TC3 to see what i do with it. So what time will you be there so that we can get started with my car as soon as possible?
-Buddy

losidude-I have no idea till that day. Remember-when i do come I have Audrey so I spend 25% of the time chasing her down and I try to leave early-ish.

microracer-both are fine. It comes down to what you like best AND tire wear on the dblpinks is higher. Also-if yu tend to run your tires big (2.35 and up-dbl pinks might make your car tipsy or erratic handling-or they just might tear from the side loading. They are pretty soft.

ok Ray, i may not even work on my car at all if i like the TC3, chris said that i can borrow it for a while, if i end up liking it, and i am faster with it, say goodbye to the losi, but i am gonna try and run it for a few weeks before i decide on what i am gonna do. See you then.
-Buddy

ok Ray, i may not even work on my car at all if i like the TC3, chris said that i can borrow it for a while, if i end up liking it, and i am faster with it, say goodbye to the losi, but i am gonna try and run it for a few weeks before i decide on what i am gonna do. See you then.
-Buddy

Well-dont be fooled by its raw rip. You might find over time that yes-its whicked fast-but you can go faster over 5-minutes with the Losi.

Ray

Losidude....I will go out on a limb and tell you that you will be faster for 1 lap with the TC3. Virtually everyone that has tried the tc3 goes faster with it. The issue that I have seen is being consistant. I was faster over 5 minutes with my XRay. With Chicky's setup, the TC3 was awesome....but little stuff started happening to the car and it transformed into a POS. A steering rack screw that has been in place for over a year, decided it was time to back out....makes it hard to drive. That is why I hate that car so much...it just falls apart due to wear.


Eric

Joneser-what time are you going to be at Gate on Wednesday? If youve got a saddle pack-charge it up before comin to run the Xray of mine. I should be there early. Hopefully I will get the Xray and the Pro4 out on the track before leaving.

Ray

hello everyone .... in response to a few posts .. and remember this is MY experiences not anyone elses and not ment to get anyone pissed ...

That is why I hate that car so much...it just falls apart due to wear.
joneser
Member

Well-dont be fooled by its raw rip. You might find over time that yes-its whicked fast-but you can go faster over 5-minutes with the Losi.
Ray
rayhuang
HobbyTalk Pro

in response to these two posts ... I have both cars in question the losi xxxs and the assc tc3 ... both were base models ( racer for the tc3 and the old plastic for the losi ) when I started this hobby two years ago ... I ran both intially and yes the losi can string more laps together in a row more dependably even for a then rookie. But over all in MY opinion the tc3 was always faster ( I have time sheet from two years ago to prove it somewhere ). now I run the TC3 exclusively in racing .. I still have my xxxs in a box here and I can load it drop it on the track and get a good string of consistant laps .. but nothing close to the times I have gotten from the TC3 ... and on the issue of mantainence ... yes ALL cars need to be gone over after every race to make sure that everything is in proper working order ... I have learned that lesson well now that I have a gas car ... so the comment of falling apart due to wear ... wouldnt that be falling apart due to lack of maintainence ... just my thoughts .. I am still running that plastic chassis racer from two years ago ... and aside from dumb driver breakage and old motors .. I have never not finished a race due to parts loosening .. or falling off due to wear ... just my thoughts on the issue ... thanks for the time .. and have fun racing ...

E
:dude:

Just stopping in to say "HEY" to the Cleveland crowd..........


RB Love

I appreciate your comments on the upkeep of my car but that does not account for the knuckles that consistantly come loose and need to be replaced because they strip out from the ball stud threads. Put a brand new tc3 together and run it fro 1 or 2 race weekends and see how much slop you have in it. I am certainly not a spectacular driver but I dont hit much and certainly dont break much at all. I very rarely DNF. This week was the exception due to the steering rack screw. I take care of my equipment and spend big bucks on this hobby and that is exactly why I make those comments on the TC3. I built and ran an Xray....and never broke an arm, bent a hingpin or replaced 1 part that was not broken. Other than a freak run in with a mod car at full speed, I only broke a couple of steering knuckles and like everyone, a number of C-hubs. When I broke a knuckle, I bought 1 knuckle for 3.25....and did not have to buy front and rears for 12.00. When I built the car....i did not have to use a dremel or a knife....which are the most important tools when building the TC3. I promise you my car does not fall apart out of neglect. I keep my cars clean and replace anything that has slop....which sometimes means replacing every part on the tc3. Having a screw back out that had been in place for more than a year is a little odd. Not sure why it decided to do it now. Yes, the TC3 is probably the fastest car out there. It also has the most people running it. If you gave Xrays to the top stock and mod guys out there, they would be as fast as they are today with a little experimenting. All you have to do is look the last few big races....indoor champs, snowbirds, carpet nats. So, I will stick with my comments. For a new racer, they will go faster with a TC3 for a lap or two....for 5 minutes it will probably equal out....they need to decide what they feel better with. In the long run the TC3 will probably be the car that they go fast with.....one reason being they can get the hot set up real easy....no work on their part. Just dont get speed confused with quality. The TC3 is a BOS compared to an Xray.....all you would need to do is open the box and build for 1 hour and you would agree. I use Xray as an example because I have not built a losi touring car. And one more thing to add, I do a good job of maintaining my cars....but also have one of the best stock tourers in the US that helps me out a great deal....my car wearing out has nothing to do with neglect or from abuse!

hello everyone .... in response to a few posts .. and remember this is MY experiences not anyone elses and not ment to get anyone pissed ...

That is why I hate that car so much...it just falls apart due to wear.
joneser
Member

Well-dont be fooled by its raw rip. You might find over time that yes-its whicked fast-but you can go faster over 5-minutes with the Losi.
Ray
rayhuang
HobbyTalk Pro

in response to these two posts ... I have both cars in question the losi xxxs and the assc tc3 ... both were base models ( racer for the tc3 and the old plastic for the losi ) when I started this hobby two years ago ... I ran both intially and yes the losi can string more laps together in a row more dependably even for a then rookie. But over all in MY opinion the tc3 was always faster ( I have time sheet from two years ago to prove it somewhere ). now I run the TC3 exclusively in racing .. I still have my xxxs in a box here and I can load it drop it on the track and get a good string of consistant laps .. but nothing close to the times I have gotten from the TC3 ... and on the issue of mantainence ... yes ALL cars need to be gone over after every race to make sure that everything is in proper working order ... I have learned that lesson well now that I have a gas car ... so the comment of falling apart due to wear ... wouldnt that be falling apart due to lack of maintainence ... just my thoughts .. I am still running that plastic chassis racer from two years ago ... and aside from dumb driver breakage and old motors .. I have never not finished a race due to parts loosening .. or falling off due to wear ... just my thoughts on the issue ... thanks for the time .. and have fun racing ...

E
:dude:

Whoa...well i am gonna run the TC3 tommorrow, and maybe for a few weeks, if i like how it handles, i am more than likely going to run it, if not, i want to pick up an X-RAY just for a different variety of cars. But anyone going to the Gate tommorrow, i'll see ya there.
-Buddy

I was just chatting with a buddy about cars and I was tellig him about how great my XRay handled just before the Nats and how I was torn on what to runXray or Tc3. IN the end I chose Tc3 because it was fast for me at Birds, Champs and of course-I know more about tuning it than any other car AND-the "chicky factor"-come-on joneser-you can say it. :lol:

And yes-the pre-BIG RACE tune-up for a Tc3 is replace every carbon part, hingepin block, hingepin and sometimes even the chassis a weekend before the race.

Sorry-but JOneser is correct on this one-the TC3 is the fastest hunk-a-junk in the galaxy!! ITs fast-it handles Great-even better for a Great driver and it takes hours to get the drivetrian free and the arms to flop free-but not have slop too.

losidude-two things-the Purple TRC tires are cut to 28mm width-I forgot to mention that at swap meet.

Also-I will be there too-so see ya then!!

Ray

Ray, I may take my car out for one run first thing tonight, Jeff Switzer let me run a pair of his Jacos a while back, and my car felt a little more loose than with the TRC's, so i am gonna run a pair of my Jacos to see if it will help my cars on-power steering, since i have a brand new pair of trued Jacos but never ran them before. But we will have to see. See you there.
-Buddy

So Eric, can you tell me how your really feel about the TC3?

Jr Norton's HPI Pro4 is runny flawlessly at Ultra. He has all the records as well. It appears to me that the HPI shocks are the best you can use. That has a lot to do with the success of his car. Wonder why many oval drivers use that shock on the center of their oval cars?!

David.....I run the tc3 so in the end that says it all. However, I dont have to like it:( . I just think it is somewhat garbage (quality) compared to some of the other products out there. I have admitted that it is all around the best car (performance wise) but if you gave Xrays to the top 10 stock drivers, within a few weeks they would be just as fast and I would go out on a limb and say they would like working on the car much more. As far as the hpi shocks...yes, they are the best shocks I have ever put together and would consider putting a set on any touring car I have. Jimmy had the Pro4 looking good this past week....first time out.

Have you run you 12th scale Xray yet? How is that class?


So Eric, can you tell me how your really feel about the TC3?

Jr Norton's HPI Pro4 is runny flawlessly at Ultra. He has all the records as well. It appears to me that the HPI shocks are the best you can use. That has a lot to do with the success of his car. Wonder why many oval drivers use that shock on the center of their oval cars?!

A guy in Florida told me the 1/12th TC will run circles around a Nitro sedan or a electric sedan in handling, but you pretty much have to run a hot mod as they are slow with a stock motor and 4-cells.

Ray

Just wanted to let the Cleveland guys know that I have a sweet 12th scale for sale. Speedmerchent Rev3 with Blue dress kit, old school front end (with blue aluminum braces), complete Niftech rear end...Axle/diff, right and left hubs and even the side pods. The car is currently set up with a custom thick chassis and I will throw in the original chassis. does not include turnbuckles. This is a very good car.....just ask Ray....he has seen the back of it many times:p. If I dont have to ship this thing to someone, they can have it for $160.00

Now thats just cold blooded!!!

the "Ray" in question.......

Wouldn't you know it... I get my XRAY outfitted with the BMI chassis and start seeing some improvement in my consistency... and WHAM! end of carpet season...

Anyone know of tracks, within driving distance of Cincinnati, offering on-road carpet racing over the summer? If so, can you post a link or schedule... I've got the summer schedules for Ultra and the Gate.

TIA,

J

Buddy-sure was a blast running 5 minutes with you tonight!!! YOu were fast and the Tc3 does seem to suit you. my new Xrays got a lot of potential and so does the Pro4. I made a lot of changes to the pro4 for so few packs run and got better with every change. I picked up a bit of over-rotation on exit witht the caster change and I think its ti me for a shot of ant-dive to settle the nose down a tad.

The Xray was pushing on power badly, but even so-that was slap a receiver in it and set-subtrim and run!!! but it was my onlt 13 second lap of the night so I am going to keep w/ it.

Ray

Eric - Thanks for asking. I have experimented with the mini Xray for about 3 days. It responded very nicely to my tuning efforts and handles the course at Ultra similar to my 1/12 scale on that same track. I had to use a 53/112 gear combination with the stock motor, and it could probably still use a larger pinion. I estimate that it was about .5 to .7 seconds per lap off the time Jr. Norton was running with his Pro4. I think that is pretty good for 4 cells versus 6 cells. The car comes with the 2.25 pulleys. I put a 19T in next with 49/112 and was virtually as fast as the 6 cell car. It was very cool. I could race these.

David Lee you have PM

Ray, i got down to a 13.85 as my fastest, i wanted to buy chris's car, but he backed out, so i bought jimmy's car and all of his spares for only 150. So well have to see the next time we have a race, not just practice what goes down. I definatly like the TC3 better.....FAST.
-Buddy

Buddy-see I told you-you were faster than me on the track. I could see you eating me alive in the corners. JUst take extra, extra care when building this car. There shouldn't be a single bent hingepin or arm that doesnt flop free!!!

That was cool of Jimmy to cut you such a sweet deal!!!

I guess if you make beating me a regular weekly thing-I will just have to build up another BMI TC3 too!!! hahaha!!!

There is no possible way that a car of Jimmys could have a bent hingepin.:freak:

Buddy, you looked good out there yesterday....you will be faster......you will break more but you will be faster. Throw the Chicky setup on there and all will be well.....just dont neglect your car like I do:) . Oh, and dont forget the Parma Alpha body....that is a must have for that car at our track!

Buddy-see I told you-you were faster than me on the track. I could see you eating me alive in the corners. JUst take extra, extra care when building this car. There shouldn't be a single bent hingepin or arm that doesnt flop free!!!

That was cool of Jimmy to cut you such a sweet deal!!!

I guess if you make beating me a regular weekly thing-I will just have to build up another BMI TC3 too!!! hahaha!!!