Well, wish I could say that I had a great time last night but I made some bad gearing decisions that sent my car going in the wrong direction in the lap time area. After looking at the lap times, can you guys please explain how you could not beat Chicky.....Ray, Brian, Aaron, Jimmy....you were all faster than the guy but somehow he was TQ and won the race. WEAK!!!

For those of you Gate people that are reading this, how about showing up once in a while!!! I am not going to name any names here but I remember hearing people say that they were going to run this summer and blah blah blah. We get the same people out here every week. Jimmy puts a post out there about working on the track and he had to beat all the help away with a stick. A couple of the regular helpers coule not be there that day (Paul and I) and they had a grand total of 2 people work on the track...jimmy and Seaball. I think it would be in our best interest to try to keep this place going. I have not done this very long...but I do know that I dont want to go back to a place like Brathenal. We have an awesome facility with a hobbyshop that has great prices. Try to beat the price on the Xray or the 12L4 or the speedo's that they have in stock. I am sure things will pick back up in the fall but I hope that we can get a few more people out there this summer. THe next race is the 7th and I think we are going to have a good number of people running stock 12th scale. I will probably run both stock classes so dont leave your touring cars at home.

Buddy, its Jay give me a call need to ask you a ? about the Losi XXXs 440-821-8622 talk to ya later!

WoW....pretty weird timing....Ray and I did not even plan that!!!

Joneser-I looked at my times too (about 20x-hehehe) and I threw away my best two runs on -uummmm, lack-of-ability???!!! I had a 24 5:01 going at I think the three minute mark-had caught Rice too and then started to pull a bunch of 13.0-which was like losing 0.5 to 0.7 each time. Subtract them from my 5:06 and-wow-its a 5:04......

RIce (the hacking b@$t@rd!!j/k) was the fastest of all, but Chicky is Chicky and Herrmann and Buran both just popped that one board for a few seconds and that was that. I had a second place car in the Main!!

THe only thing I know about Tony is he does not work at Toyota anymore since about a month ago. Havent heard form or seen him either since the nats

Hey jonser did you get a buggy yet? my FT b4 is just about finished waiting on my receiver. see ya! wanna sell your pro 4 yet? I have cash waiting!

I have been to your facility, and let me say, it is quite nice. The template is large. The boards are rounded and forgiving. The lighting is consistent. The hobby shop and it's prices are awesome. And your clean room for truers is great. I have thought about making the trip out again to race with you, but...

...I have heard growing concern that the racers there are becoming...well, like that Goetz guy. I don't want to start anything, but I for one believe that flames are fast, not flamers. Pink is for girls, not for body colors. To be fast, you need to be macho, tough even. I am worried that I will not be fast at your track if all I hear are feminine screams for this Buddy Blystone, like he is Elvis or something.

Can someone stop the madness? :eek:

I told you I sold the pro4 a while ago. Its all about Xray!Hey jonser did you get a buggy yet? my FT b4 is just about finished waiting on my receiver. see ya! wanna sell your pro 4 yet? I have cash waiting!

I have been to your facility, and let me say, it is quite nice. The template is large. The boards are rounded and forgiving. The lighting is consistent. The hobby shop and it's prices are awesome. And your clean room for truers is great. I have thought about making the trip out again to race with you, but...

...I have heard growing concern that the racers there are becoming...well, like that Goetz guy. I don't want to start anything, but I for one believe that flames are fast, not flamers. Pink is for girls, not for body colors. To be fast, you need to be macho, tough even. I am worried that I will not be fast at your track if all I hear are feminine screams for this Buddy Blystone, like he is Elvis or something.

Can someone stop the madness? :eek:


Roger,

I suggest that you bring in one of those orginizations that restores "confused" people back to a heterosexual lifestyle. This should fix the problem with Goetz.

Once again.....you are not well. The anti abortion people need to meet you!:freak:

Roger....dont let last night get to your head.

I have been to your facility, and let me say, it is quite nice. The template is large. The boards are rounded and forgiving. The lighting is consistent. The hobby shop and it's prices are awesome. And your clean room for truers is great. I have thought about making the trip out again to race with you, but...

...I have heard growing concern that the racers there are becoming...well, like that Goetz guy. I don't want to start anything, but I for one believe that flames are fast, not flamers. Pink is for girls, not for body colors. To be fast, you need to be macho, tough even. I am worried that I will not be fast at your track if all I hear are feminine screams for this Buddy Blystone, like he is Elvis or something.

Can someone stop the madness? :eek:

Which kit would you suggest as far as the xray goes? besides cost of parts what are the other features of one over the other? Jonser you have an Xray for sale? what are the prices of these 2 cars at the gate? I have been working wednesday nights or else I would be there! :confused:

xray factory kit and the prices are 289.00 for th xray, 279.00 for the hpi. They both need diffs for the front unless you want to try your hand at a one way. Both are good cars...with similar features. last night we had 3 different cars that were all fast...Xray, HPI, and the tc3...its good to have choices.Which kit would you suggest as far as the xray goes? besides cost of parts what are the other features of one over the other? Jonser you have an Xray for sale? what are the prices of these 2 cars at the gate? I have been working wednesday nights or else I would be there! :confused:

...I have heard growing concern that the racers there are becoming...well, like that Goetz guy. I don't want to start anything, but I for one believe that flames are fast, not flamers. Pink is for girls, not for body colors. To be fast, you need to be macho, tough even. I am worried that I will not be fast at your track if all I hear are feminine screams for this Buddy Blystone, like he is Elvis or something.

Can someone stop the madness? :eek:


45% Gay

Thanks joneser, I think I am still sticking with the pro4, dont feel like reconfiguring battery packs for the xray.

You better be able to wheel like Jimmy if you want the pro4!!! if not-the XRay is flat out awesome. The FK kit mind you!! Not the FOC with long arms!! Either way he has both kits on the wall at AJ's!!!

Ray

Thanks for the info, What are the charactersitics of the Xray or pro4 compared to the TC3? do they push like a Losi or touchy like a TC3? just curious. Also, anyone with setup tips for the B4 or XXXs let me know please! Got the kid a XXXs and the other is gonna run my TC3. the FT B4 is mine for the dirt if I ever get it finished! They will be running outside @ Hobby town for now in T/C. then at the gate. do you guys have a problem with 2 beginners on a wednesday night? they can run against them selves for all I care. I know on sundays you had a novice class. Only way to get started is to get em on the carpet! Hey ray with your import company do you have access to the smaller electric R/C helicopters like the hornet and others? please let me know as i would like to import one or a bunch. You better be able to wheel like Jimmy if you want the pro4!!! if not-the XRay is flat out awesome. The FK kit mind you!! Not the FOC with long arms!! Either way he has both kits on the wall at AJ's!!!

Ray

Does anyone have a problem on wednesday nights putting up with a couple of young learners on the carpet? trying to maximize there wheel time. then on sundays once we get back to the regular schedule I will put em in the novice class, god help them! LOL

Joneser-the extensions pieces are done and in the mail to you. They are NOT pretty-but they will do the job. A minute with a dremel will shape them up nicely!!! Call me if you have any questions installing them.

Thanks Ray...when I do your rollout chart I will make sure to spill something on it so that it wont be pretty either!:rolleyes: Joneser-the extensions pieces are done and in the mail to you. They are NOT pretty-but they will do the job. A minute with a dremel will shape them up nicely!!! Call me if you have any questions installing them.

WOW!!!! I'm so jealous. I think I need to start looking for a job in the Cleveland area. Can't wait to get to race there again.

Brian Anthony

Is an X-ray FK a bad idea for a beginner to touring cars like myself? I'm getting the itch to wrench on a car with a bit more sophistication than a 1/12 scale. Of all the touring cars at the track, the x-ray seems coolest to me.

Jason,

If you want a Pro 4 I have one. E-mail me if your interested.
jim_racer24@yahoo.com (jim_racer24@yahoo.com)

Thanks,
Jim

Actually not at all. Its build quality is superior to anythng out there (Pro4 is darn good too actually) so that means-when you build it-it comes out perfect. With a Tc3 for sure and also, but to a lessar degree-the Losi require a lot of handfitting and even more Experience on how to build one right (I.e. shimming the diffs and input shafts, freein up the arms, freeng up the diff cases). I have seen your attention to detail-but even you might be flustered at getting a Tc3 to free spin for 5 to 8 seconds!!!

IN fact I really like the Xray a lot-so much so that i am contemplating offing my Tc3, but when Ithink of all the hours spent on it to make it really, realy good-I think-better keep it!!

So I think the Xray is a perfect car for a beginne. Even more sweet is tha fact thatit is not a whole lot more expensive than a Tc3 or Losi!!

Is an X-ray FK a bad idea for a beginner to touring cars like myself? I'm getting the itch to wrench on a car with a bit more sophistication than a 1/12 scale. Of all the touring cars at the track, the x-ray seems coolest to me.

Actually not at all. Its build quality is superior to anythng out there (Pro4 is darn good too actually) so that means-when you build it-it comes out perfect. With a Tc3 for sure and also, but to a lessar degree-the Losi require a lot of handfitting and even more Experience on how to build one right (I.e. shimming the diffs and input shafts, freein up the arms, freeng up the diff cases). I have seen your attention to detail-but even you might be flustered at getting a Tc3 to free spin for 5 to 8 seconds!!!

IN fact I really like the Xray a lot-so much so that i am contemplating offing my Tc3, but when Ithink of all the hours spent on it to make it really, realy good-I think-better keep it!!

So I think the Xray is a perfect car for a beginne. Even more sweet is tha fact thatit is not a whole lot more expensive than a Tc3 or Losi!!


Sounds like it would be a good choice then. How about other things that I will need?

I don't know what motor, servo, tires, range of pinion gears, or body I need.

It seems that everyone runs the Alpha body, althogh I'm not a big fan of it's looks. Are there any other bodies that work as well as the Alpha?

My pink body means nothing Roger...I am straight.
-Buddy

Sounds like it would be a good choice then. How about other things that I will need?

I don't know what motor, servo, tires, range of pinion gears, or body I need.

It seems that everyone runs the Alpha body, althogh I'm not a big fan of it's looks. Are there any other bodies that work as well as the Alpha?

High speed high torque servo. I prefer digital ones like the JR 8800s or the KO 2343. I also have a Diigital Airtronics thats been working GREAT. 0.09 transit time as well as at least 90oz of torque as minimums. I have a bunch of these type servos to save you a few bucks there.

TIres-Jaco Dbl pink orange fronts and dbl pink rears. Or if longevity is more important than outright speed-then Jaco Purple orange fronts and Purple rears. I'll tru the tires for you if you like.

PInions-Easy-same as on your 12th scale. 29 to 36 will cover stock and 19t. You'll need to buy a 128 spur gear in 64 pitch_Kimbrough and PRS work well-just make sure if you buy a PRS its a Sedan one-not a pan ar spur.

Motor-same as 12th scale. MOnster.

Bodies-well-the Parma Alfa works well on the car-but so does the Parma X20. bean would kill me if I recommended anything other than a PArma body.

Let me know if you need any other help. The cars super durable, but a couple extra top bumper braces, c-hubs and steering blocks wouldnt hurt.

I might have a short arm FOC type car for sale soon in near new condition I'll unload cheap. Two diffs, short arms, solid top deck, etc. I am buying out a guys Xray stuff whos getting out of the sport.

Ray

High speed high torque servo. I prefer digital ones like the JR 8800s or the KO 2343. I also have a Diigital Airtronics thats been working GREAT. 0.09 transit time as well as at least 90oz of torque as minimums. I have a bunch of these type servos to save you a few bucks there.

TIres-Jaco Dbl pink orange fronts and dbl pink rears. Or if longevity is more important than outright speed-then Jaco Purple orange fronts and Purple rears. I'll tru the tires for you if you like.

PInions-Easy-same as on your 12th scale. 29 to 36 will cover stock and 19t. You'll need to buy a 128 spur gear in 64 pitch_Kimbrough and PRS work well-just make sure if you buy a PRS its a Sedan one-not a pan ar spur.

Motor-same as 12th scale. MOnster.

Bodies-well-the Parma Alfa works well on the car-but so does the Parma X20. bean would kill me if I recommended anything other than a PArma body.

Let me know if you need any other help. The cars super durable, but a couple extra top bumper braces, c-hubs and steering blocks wouldnt hurt.

I might have a short arm FOC type car for sale soon in near new condition I'll unload cheap. Two diffs, short arms, solid top deck, etc. I am buying out a guys Xray stuff whos getting out of the sport.

Ray


Thanks for the help Ray. It looks like I should be able to buy most if not all of the stuff from the Gate. Not ready just yet, but soon.

I have a tire truer and have gotten pretty good at using it, so won't need you to true the tires. But, what height should they be trued to?

Does the chassis need to be sanded and superglued like the 1/12 scale?

Thanks for the help Ray. It looks like I should be able to buy most if not all of the stuff from the Gate. Not ready just yet, but soon.

I have a tire truer and have gotten pretty good at using it, so won't need you to true the tires. But, what height should they be trued to?

Does the chassis need to be sanded and superglued like the 1/12 scale?

Cool deal-support the LHS and build from new!!

Tires-well I start at 2.32" , but you can start at 2.35 or so for practice and when the get to 2.3 to 2.28-they are race ready. Chassis-yup-same prep work as a 12th scale chassis.

Ray

Thanks for the help Ray. It looks like I should be able to buy most if not all of the stuff from the Gate. Not ready just yet, but soon.

I have a tire truer and have gotten pretty good at using it, so won't need you to true the tires. But, what height should they be trued to?

Does the chassis need to be sanded and superglued like the 1/12 scale?
Krisgel,

You should always sand and glue a carbon plate chassis. As for tire size on your touring car, try to get the diameter about 2.3" - 2.35". Maybe 2.25" if your going to be using the double pinks and double pink/orange. By the way, are you still planning on racing 1/12 scale as well?

Damn it! Ray's faster than me on the keyboard to.:(

Damn it! Ray's faster than me on the keyboard to.:(

HI Dave,

I'll be running a T-plate car with the rest next club race!!! I ran one pack through my old school 12LC and it felt GReat!! Worked on it tonight, made some changes and cannt wait to run it again.

Ray

Krisgel,

You should always sand and glue a carbon plate chassis. As for tire size on your touring car, try to get the diameter about 2.3" - 2.35". Maybe 2.25" if your going to be using the double pinks and double pink/orange. By the way, are you still planning on racing 1/12 scale as well?


Thanks for the help David. Yes I will still be running 1/12 scale. I enjoy working on the cars and trying to make them as good as possible, and I am running out of things to work on with my 1/12 scale. The x-ray should help feed the need to wrench.

I have some items for sale in the rc accessories swap section..


Thanks,RB Love

Hi all just bought a tc3 & am ready to race . i've raced brp at the gate with varying results , crashes and wins lol just had a couple of questions.
1 what tire works well at the gate for the tc3
2 what traction additive ie.. gripper , paragon , niftech
3 how much additive do you apply to front and rear
4 do you clean the tires after every round
5 what gearing ( stock motor ) works well
6 what time does racing start on wed.

sorry about all the questions , but i'm completely new to this whole 4wd touring car thing
thanks for any help
Tom B.

Hey vn1500, you have a PM

1.Purple and Orange Purple Jaco. For more grip-hence faster lap times-But wear quickly are Jaco Dbl pinks and Dbl.pink Orange.

2.YES-All three work at the Gate.

3. Always full rear, vary front for your driving style. Start with 1/4 and add more if you need more steering.

4. Not at club races.

5. 22/72 with 2.35 tires is close or 30/96 if using 64p gears.

6. Doors open at 5:30 and racing starts at 7 to 7:30pm. Next race is July 14th.

YOu can also come out and practice on non race Wednesdays. Doors open at 5:30 and pratice runs till 10:30pm!!!

Hope this helps,
Ray
Hi all just bought a tc3 & am ready to race . i've raced brp at the gate with varying results , crashes and wins lol just had a couple of questions.
1 what tire works well at the gate for the tc3
2 what traction additive ie.. gripper , paragon , niftech
3 how much additive do you apply to front and rear
4 do you clean the tires after every round
5 what gearing ( stock motor ) works well
6 what time does racing start on wed.

sorry about all the questions , but i'm completely new to this whole 4wd touring car thing
thanks for any help
Tom B.

What tools will I need to precisely set-up the x-ray? I already have a tweak board, ride height guage, and camber guage.

Adam-Just a droop gauge. I have a ton of those plastic ones you get from Tc3 kits you can have for free. I mean if you want to drop a load on some bling for your pit box-you can get the INtegy alignment tools or the Hudyy Ulimate set-up tools, but your gauges and your eyes will be good enough for a C-hub car.

Ray
got the glasses today, thanks.
I sent some cash to your paypal acct.
Thanks again
Eric

Shoot-I didnt want anything for the shipping. You helped me a ton!!

No prob Ray,
Hit up Micky D's on the way home and grab yourself a Combo meal, LOL
Dinner is on me tonight

Guys and gals,

I just bought a ton of Xray stuff from a buddy of mine and now I need to unload some stuff to pay for it. This kills me-but I would like to unload my FTTC3. But heres the catch!!! And its a weird one!! I do not have a new chassis for it!! But I do have the fullest parts box of TC3/Losi parts, spares, dogbones, screws, bushings, SPurs , bearings, hingepins, arms, Ti turnbuckles, alum screws, TONS of new screws in every size and length, C-hubs (losi and AE), steering racks and hardware, Losi rear hubs, Losi steering knuckles, tuning options in triplet, Warpspeed diff cases and my ownblueprinted diff cases, extra complete shock sets (all FT THreaded and even a set of adj.Serpent shocks), diffs and diff parts (stock, steel and IRS and Hardcore, etc.) and the entire built suspension, steering and drivetrain ready to install onto a chassis. Also have spare driveshafts, new RPM bumper, Rubberneck bumper, battery braces (alum and carbon fiber and plastic), IRS transponder/servo mount.The car is about as perfect a TC3/racing outfit as you can imagine. I even recently rebuilt the diffs (Nats only on them) and I just rebuilt the shocks with new seals, o-rings, bobbins and used Green slime on o-rings and Yokomo caps!! Best shock I ever built.
There will be two chassis with it, but one is Old and been run outdoors and the other one is a Blemished one from when I was doing the milled chassis. It will work, its new, but its got a bad gouge from the milling bit.
E-mail me to come see it all or if you have any questions. I live in Cleveland Heights. (questions.kartchamp20002000@yahoo.com)

kartchamp20002000@yahoo.com

Ray

thanks for all the answers ray you are a great help. one other question , sorry what does shore mean is that like a color designation for foam tires or a size?? :confused:

Best shock I ever built.
Ray
I'ld hate to see the other 3.

thanks for all the answers ray you are a great help. one other question , sorry what does shore mean is that like a color designation for foam tires or a size?? :confused:

Shore refers to the hardness of the foam as measured by a duromoter gauge. So say a 30 shore which is like a Pink compound would be softer than say a 45 shore which I think is like dbl. Purple. So-yes-shores and colors refer to the same thing.

SHore ratings are used in gas racing more and electric foam tires are usually reffered to by color.

Also-gas tires are also seperated by both shore and as a front or rear tire. The reason being that gas racing front tires usuually have more rubber in them-which leads to greater life and a bit less grip than there rear tire counterparts.

I am switching form Jaco to TRC on my 1/12 scale. The white rear TRC's feel a lot softer than the white rear Jaco's. Should I be using a diffent color with the TRC's? How about for the fronts?

Jaco Grey is harder than TRC Grey.

Jaco White is very conparable to TRC Grey.

TRC White is Very soft.

Dont forget-the rear axle spacing is much different with TRC than Jaco. With TRC-you will need to space out your hubs farther out than with Jaco's to hit 6.77" width.

ON the front-I think Jaco Purple is softer than TRC Purple, but not to the degree that the rears are different.

Krisgel.....dont buy too many trc tires. Parma is coming out with tires for 12th scale and touring and they will be the same rubber that is on the trc tires. should be selling them within a month or two. Might as well try to keep Paul's job secure since he is not much of a slot car guy anymore:p

I have no problem buying the parma tires when they come out. The reason I am switching from Jaco to TRC is actually because of the front Jaco's are weak around the point where the inner bearing is seated. The hole gets on enlarged and eventually the plastic cracks. The TRC's seem to be much thicker plastic.

Until the parma tires are available, what color TRC rears should I be using? How about fronts?

Adam,

I was going to let someeone else answer, but oh well!!!!

I would have these TRC compounds on hand. I am guessing a bit as I dont normally run a t-bar car, but here goes:

Front:
Purple
Tan 1-pr.

Rear:
Pink
Grey 1pr.

The reason I put one pair was just to have something to tinker with and the other compound just might suit you better. if it feels good-you can always buy more.

Ray