:lol:

And look-for once I am NOT in the middle!!!

Remember everyone-we are planning on running a 19t/mod Sedan class Sunday. Should be fun and a nice diversion from stock sedan. Lets see if we can get two heats!!

Ray
I havent been there since Ray touched me!

Also, never pickup anything for Windix60. It's a trap!!!!

Never....Never....sit near Mucho!

:p

GROSS! Too much info!! :p

-Rich

I havent been there since Ray touched me!

Yes, Paul and I were sharing pleasantries on Sunday....see, he wanted to park our cars over there and talk for a while and I was busy trying to run a race. I would have none of that so I told him to leave me alone...sort of.

The competition is fun....watching people improve is fun....No matter where you race you are going to have some intensity. Just ask Jay. Racing at hobbytown is usually pretty relaxed but it can get riled up too. I was present last year to see Jay in action a few times. Yes, you feel bad when its done but its nothing personal. (paul and I were talking minutes later). Just like you yelling at the marshall. I have parked my 12th scale in front of mr. carruba a few times this year and if you have not noticed, he is not a world class athelete. I yelled for him to get there faster....When you are on the stand nothing is fast enough. But as I remind myself later......Tony did not put my car there....I did and its not really his problem.

As far as seeing more types of races, We tried an oval night and had a fairly small turnout of guys from classic (may have been a scheduling conflict) and we had a grand total of 4 of us run oval touring. It was alot of work for not alot of turnout. Remember, our track takes a while to bolt and unbolt apart. Besides, you dont learn on race days..you learn on practice days. Setup Setup Setup...that is how you learn. If you take a car on the track and run it and its not close to a decent setup (ride hieght, droop, rollout etc) then you just wasted a battery pack is all you did. Your not improving your skills by taking a crappy car on the track. It took me 2+ years to understand that. I see cars in some of the lower mains that should not be out there and thats not about budget or anything other than paying attention. Last year at the champs we had a guy rooming with us (hey dude) that was helping Mr. BIll and Tony W.. He was running for the first time and did not ask any questions. After last qualifier he came back to the room and declared that he was not going to use traction compound anymore because it made his car horrible. I suggested that he re-think that and asked him how he was setup. His response was "no different than anyone else". I took a look at his car and was amazed to learn that everyone was running 8mm ride height in the front and 7 in the rear....droop screws tightend all the way down and a car that would turn 1 foot circles to the left and 6 footers to the right.:) Basically he was dirving a 2X4 with a lift kit. Made some suggestions and answered some questions and he went out and won his main getting a few laps more than his best run. When you can make it, come to practice and ask questions....when you ask questions, try to understand the concept behind the answer and then go play. When you learn how changinging droop by 2 mm affects the car, you will be amazed. Once you learn a few things then you can get a car set up that will allow you to get better. There are cars out there that Wayne or Paul could not put in the A main. Tires will be the usual purple plaid or dbl pink/dbl pink orange. Purple plaids will wear longer with a little less bite but at a big race, thats not always a bad thing.

I think a little bit more of word of the mouth about the track and maybe a little more advertising may help things out. With Halo going strong now I know people will be going there to race on Sats and have Sunday off.

I love the track and wish I could race more but traveling and working 2 jobs gets kinda hard. Buddy, Ray, Chris, Paul, Aaron and others have been helping me (Which I am very appreciative about) and that is great, got a great car just need to drive better.

The track is getting more competitive and a little away from fun since I started racing but that is probably due the the halloween race and the indoors coming up. I say that because as Buddy and I walked out the doors to leave Eric and Paul were going at it and cussing back and forth. Granted I got a little peved (voiced my opinion) in my main since father time marshal could not get the lead out of his depends but it is only racing - if cash or title were up for grabs then it is a different story.

I would like to see some different racing - like an endurance race, oval race, pro-am race where a newbie is hooked up with a seasoned racer for the day to hone skills and learn many things about racing, cars, etc, reverse racing where we run the course backwards to what we have been.

You guys have fun this weekend, have to do something with the dear old Dad and finish going thru the tc3 to get it ready for the big race. Any ideas on what tires to run at the race?

See ya later

MC

ummmmmmmmmmm-excuuuse me-I believe I was the touchee and you were the toucheRRRR.......

bshields please come back....we miss you:cry::)

Not sure if anyone is up to the task, I am cleaning the hobby lair in the basement an I have a bunch of old paradox (champs motors) and probably a few p2k2s that I am not going to ever run again. I will hold on to a few for my son to destroy but plan on dumping the rest. I am sure that if someone wanted to, they could build some usable motors out of these for practice or bashing in the street. Probably could build some decent race motors too. If anyone is interested, let me know and I will bring them next time out. If I dont hear anything, I will get dump them after the weekend.

Stock for me

:lol:

And look-for once I am NOT in the middle!!!

Remember everyone-we are planning on running a 19t/mod Sedan class Sunday. Should be fun and a nice diversion from stock sedan. Lets see if we can get two heats!!

Ray

Pete...turnout overall is down for a number of reasons...we dont have guys like Rowell, Brand, Urban, etc. These guys have been regulars for years...some stopped last year some this year. Many have found other things to keep them busy. Toledo has probably occupied a few people and the off road track in Medina was kept open late this year which probably accounts for a few people.
Joneser, I totally agree with you. There has been a number of our "core" guys who have left for many reasons. On that note, I just found out today that Alan Forro has passed away . . . Don D, or my brother may have more information.

I still feel that it is early in our winter season, and there are people returning who did not run during the summer. I anticipate that the next few races, we will see turn out continue to increase.

As far as fun races, I be the first to admit that we haven't had many, even way back when Dan and I were holding races we talked about a number of different events, and even held some, such as or our Summer race season, and currently and an oval event was held this summer. Most all had low participation. With the large amount of extra work to pull these kinds of events off, it just doesn't seem practical to do often.

I think that it is GREAT that we have some new blood, and fresh ideas. We have quite a few new racers who have taken the spot of those who have exited our sport.

I can still recall my first visit to the race track, way back at "SHOREGATE", back in 1988. I had an Raider, and never raced before, Dan and I went to the track, and I was hooked right away. The next weekend, I had a brand new Invader on the track and ran my first race. We use to run 3 qualifers, adn DOUBLE Mains! I was so excited that there was a place to compete, and I could race against others. Some people don't have the desire, actually, I would go as far to say that MOST R/C owners, don't have that desire. But us few who do, have a passion for it.

Since that day, for me, Sunday has always been "Race Day", not practice day. If you are looking at improving your skills, or trying new setups, I would encourage people to come on practice days. We are very fortunate that we have a very wonderful place to race, an on-site hobby shop, and some very dedicated people who keep it going. That I know is a thankless job, I've been there. I think the track, and the crew, has tried to accomidate just about everyone they can.

I have been racing now since 1988. In the beginning, cars had minimal suspensions, and really no "tuning" tools at all. In the last 5 years, the bar has been raised. Hi tech equipment is readly available for everyone, and those who are using it, have closed the gap. One of my personal challenges lately has been to break my "old school" idea of racing a "board with wheels", and get into the tuning and tweaking of my ride. Quite honestly, I am just NOW beginning to learn this. In the past at large events (i.e. Indoor Champs), I relied on others to "set me up" If it wouldn't have been for Ray Longataino, I would have never done as well as I did.

To summerize, I think the club is doing well. I think it has a little something for everyone. We have held large races, Regional and Haloween Classics, as well as Thrusday night practices. I also believe that turnout will continue to increase over the next months.

See you tomorrow for track maintance! 6:00 p.m.

Pete

I said,

As far as fun races, I be the first to admit that we haven't had many,

What I mean by "FUN" races, are special events, such as ovals, run backwards, enduro races, pursuit races, etc. I don't mean that racing at the gate is not fun!

Pete

Alan Forro....when was the last time he raced? Dont know if I was around then.

Jonser you impress me! I am amazed by how humble you are....It has helped you grow to the man you are today. I don't mean this in a bad way, you are impressive. your skills have improved, infact I tried very hard to hold you off in the main just to be passed with 5 laps to go. It was a blast. Infact your on my list of goals. yep here it is # 3 beat jones. followed by #2 seaball and #1 chicky....HA! the life of a dreamer.......I do feel that we need more at the track, as far as what I have some ideas to many to list here. I to am subject to the bad traits you haad listed. I waste many a pack with out even tweaking my car!! I thank seaball for keeping my head straight but I still forget! I think more and more racers are looking for answers in products or what a "fast guy" does to his car to get ahead. The answer is within- DRIVE- PREPARE-FOCUS on what you are doing.If I focused more I would be better, I know this, we should know this. I am a bit cocky but thats my nature. I know I can compete with some of the big boys around town,again like I said before it's only a matter of time........tick.tock.tick.tock......as I work to find out the problems and fix my flaws.....tick..tock...I will become better...methodlogy is key to success..seaball has just mastered it...he will also get better...as I hope does everyone...

Chubs....we have a ways to go to get back to Goetz....he and that car are freaky right now. We did learn last night that the car is on antother planet.

You are picking it up. It took a while to get back to you after paul and I pulled over and had our "discussion". Its awesome when you can improve like many people have. 2 years ago I was marshalling 2 heats before I am racing today and look what happened in 12th scale....where is that coming from. Yeah Wayne and Paul are still tiny figures on the horizon but nothing else is out of the question. Having a blast trying to catch those guys and trying to hold you off. everyones personal bests are going down. Yes, we are learning the track..but I have come down 12 seconds in 2 weeks of touring and more than a lap in 12th scale. New track this week should be interesting.

MO....you going to toledo this week? I hope so, tired of watching that damn silver car!!! Stop ducking 12th scale and race next time. :-)

I'm all for fun races and fun classes. I even bought a Tamiya Mini 2-years ago to show my commitment to that class as a owner of the Gate. I bought a BRP for the same reason.

When the power went out at practice-we fund that with minimal lighting you could still see the track. So a night race is very doable.

chubs-your so cool. But-how much f'n money do I need to pay to get on that list??? :lol:

hey dont start ripping me a new one!!!LOLOLOL
yeah I will be at the nats this weekend but then I plan to run 1/12 to get ready for cleveland, I guess I need to take my woopins like a man in 1/12 for a while but might as well get it over with, HAHAHAHAHA
see ya guys soon
Mo

Hey Ray,

Don't worry, Chubs must have pasted me about a mile back so you've got be about 2 miles back.:rolleyes:

Time to see the Doctor! I have an appointment at 6:00 p.m. tonight (at the track). Perhaps I will get an X-RAY. :)

Pete I have a feeling the x-ray is going to come out negative.

Jim

Pete.....you dont know how funny that is right now :p

Joneser, I totally agree with you. There has been a number of our "core" guys who have left for many reasons. On that note, I just found out today that Alan Forro has passed away . . .
Pete
Sorry to hear about Alan. Eric, I think the last time Alan ran with us was for one race in our last year at the Brat.

Chubs,

Bring your car out tonight. I will send it out to Planet Car, and when it returns you will instantly be looking ahead to goal #2. Sorry Joneser. :tongue: Mine got turned around quickly, I'm not sure what their lead time is for your car. :rolleyes:

Quick question though, legal weight is 41.5 oz for sedan, right? :devil:

- Craig

Mod-Mod-Mod-sunday, sunDAY, SUNDAY!!!!

Now everyne repeat my mantra with me slowly-"slow is fast-slow is fast, slow breaky lot less parts..."

Ray- trust me youre on the list as well as jimmy.See theres goal #3 beat jones..#3/b beat jimmy and #3/c beat Ray...I just didn't feel like going into all that detail.....sorry to all those left out! I show you the list sometime.....Alot of it has to do with political asperations.......(I think I spelled that right) Any who, I am just kidding....I don't care who I beat as long as it is somebody....Win what your in...right?

Win what your in...right?
And you do it so well!!

Jimmy,


I need some Niftech items. 3/32 diff balls, 5/64 thrust balls, traction compound. Got any of it?

Shoot me an e-mail: rblove65@yahoo.com

RB

You guys are having way too much fun, Ray, your right, it is a passion, and Chubsrugby, I said that Jonesy gets my vote for the most improved driver right after the Halloween race, he is really fast. By the way, I have worked EVERY Sunday since the Halloween race and will the next two Sundays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. sniff, sniff, :( I miss racing

Hey guys anyone who has missed Rich Changs offer on PT's we have a huge stock of AMB personal transponders at hobby town USA strongsville(440-846-1770). For the great price of $77.99 + tax Get em while they last!

Thanks Jay, We have them at the track for $77.00 also, and plenty in stock too!

Jim

Mr. Shields!!!!!!

....Never....Never sit by Mucho? What up wit dat yo? Am I a direct threat to your manhood or something? : ) J/K!

Good to see your still alive Bro! Give me a shout this weekend if you're around.
I still have your table/chairs at home in the garage.

Peace, Love, Rock-n-Roll, Apple Pie, Chevrolet........
Later,
JM

Mr. Shields!!!!!!

....Never....Never sit by Mucho? What up wit dat yo? Am I a direct threat to your manhood or something? : ) J/K!

Good to see your still alive Bro! Give me a shout this weekend if you're around.
I still have your table/chairs at home in the garage.

Peace, Love, Rock-n-Roll, Apple Pie, Chevrolet........
Later,
JM
Mucho!

I'm so glad I got to read your only post for the year!
I was getting late in the year and I was affraid I was going to miss it.
Can you grace the readers with 2 next year?
We need more Madness.
Maybe the Red Haired one can lay down a few words also.
Since we never have time to hang out and eat burgers with SG1 anymore.
Maybe I can bowl for your girl one night, just so I can talk to you in person again.
Hope to visit with you at the champs.

Talk to you soon.
Tracy :cool:

Het Ray or any of you BMI TC3 racers, I recently purchased a BMI chassis and am having a few problems & am not sure if I want to run it or my Factory Team at Cleveland. Locally (Illinois) I'm having a problem with too much bite. When I slow down to enter a corner it acts like the front is digging in, slowing the car way down & almost lifting the inside tires causing it to diff a little. If I roll throught the corner it has a on power push. I'm running the following
Front 70 oil #2 white spring, top mount in, rear tower +.030" shims, front block F+0, 4 degree Losi blocks, std bar, link up/in, 1.5 camber, purple orange tires, 2.30"

Rear 50 oil #2 purple spring, top mount mid, front block on rear +.030" 2+0 block, 1.5 toe, 1.5 camber, in/up camber rod, short w/b, no bar, purple tires 2.30"

Thanks for any ideas. R.W.

He Rick,

dont see anythng glaringly wrong with the set-up-though its quite a bit different from what I have run on that chassis. e-mail me tomorrow and I'll d my best to help you out-ok? kartchamp20002000@yahoo.com

BTW-whata fun race day for me. Mains didnt go well at all-but the qualifying was fun.

When I slow down to enter a corner it acts like the front is digging in, slowing the car way down & almost lifting the inside tires causing it to diff a little. If I roll throught the corner it has a on power push.
Thanks for any ideas. R.W.[/QUOTE]
R.W. Rick I had a similar problem this summer at the gate.
Ray H. chime in if you feel I'm am wrong with my info.:confused:

I had the same problems with a different brand of car. (xxx-s)
The car was not rotating fast enough for corner entry, so you have to use more steering imput to get the car to cut. Joneser noticed it by the tight circles I was cutting.
In working with Wayne Gerber this is how we sorted it out.

1) Looking at your set up, I would say you are a little stiff all around, but not by much. The car is tight.

First suggestion would be 50 or 60 wt oil in the fronts with #2 pistons.
Allow those shocks to give a little.
Next would be Purple #30 lb springs in the front. If you feel that is to soft try yellow #35 lbs instead.
Leave the shocks standing up in the outer hole in tower. If front tower is used. Inner hloe if rear tower is used up front.

2) Camber link- Put link in the down and in position for carpet. From what you describe, it sounds like your camber gain in the corner is allowing the tire to go to much to the orange part of your tire. Try to make the tire stay flat when the chassis rolls in the corner. Even if it bumps in to the purple side , that will be better. I fought this steering condition at Ultra in Cinci 2 yrs ago.

3) Swaybar- Stay with and medium size bar. Don't go to stiff! The car won't rotate soon enough for corner entry.

4) Droop- Try to use the least amount of up travel possible. 1mm for starts.
That's 1 mm over ride height. This will help compensate for the softer springs.

5) Rear Shocks- Try 40 wt oil w/ #2 pistons.
This may sound soft, but try the red #22 lb springs. Or if not sure, go with copper #25 lbs instead. I have always liked the feel of the reds though.

6) Rear camber link- Try in the down and in position also. See what feels better to you.

7) Droop- Try 1 mm over ride height first. If the car skates around on you, try more droop. 1 mm works good on softer springs for me.
No rear bar.

Set your camber settings to 1* both front and back.

These tuning tips allowed me to run softer tires (Cyans and Magenta) then I thought I would ever be able to drive on a high bite track.
Make sure you dope to the orange ring on the fronts the first time. After that, dope what you feel comfortable with. Chicky showed me that.

I believe it was Josh Cyrul that said, when tuning a touring car, you are going to have some chassis roll in the corner. It is not a pancar. It was posted on his website under chassis tuning.

Rick, I hope this will help you.
I have raced against you in the Masters class at a few different venues.
So I do know who you are. I'm usually pitting close to Kelly Bean when we make a road trip somewhere.
If I run into you at the champs, I will introduce myself to you.
Any questions that I can help with, please ask.

Tracy Rumschlag :cool:

Doorman-very impressive!!

Doorman!

It would be my pleasure to make a second post here just for you!

I don't think you'll see a post here from the "Red-Haired One" though, I don't believe he can type. He really only uses the mouse & SG1 told me that his keyboard doesn't work because it's always "sticky". I have know idea what that means. :p

By The Way.....To The Gate Crew: Awesome track layout Sunday.
I know it wasn't the favorite for alot of people, but layouts like that every once in a while are what make you a better driver. Exactly what you want before a race like The Champs. Good job Fellas.

Peace, Love. Rock-n-Roll, Apple Pie, Chevrolet.....
Later,
JM
:thumbsup:

JM-great job driving Sunday!! Really schooled me in the corners!!

If anyone missed my offer at the track I have just 1 broken KO radio for sale at the track....get it while it lasts!!!!! I also carry broken arms and bent hinge pins too! Hold on don't get your money out yet..there's more! who wants a over worked over milled and warped TC3 chassis? Anyone want trashed bodies? Got 2 in stock! Give me a call (555-555-5555) or see me at THE GATE-every thursday and sunday!

Mucho....good job Sunday. Are you runnng the champs this year?

Track...the thoughts after it was built was that is "sucked" but race day traction made it better. The only issue is the ever changing layout because of the number boards that go out without being anchored. Definately a test before the Champs.

Doorman!

It would be my pleasure to make a second post here just for you!

I don't think you'll see a post here from the "Red-Haired One" though, I don't believe he can type. He really only uses the mouse & SG1 told me that his keyboard doesn't work because it's always "sticky". I have know idea what that means. :p

By The Way.....To The Gate Crew: Awesome track layout Sunday.
I know it wasn't the favorite for alot of people, but layouts like that every once in a while are what make you a better driver. Exactly what you want before a race like The Champs. Good job Fellas.

Peace, Love. Rock-n-Roll, Apple Pie, Chevrolet.....
Later,
JM
:thumbsup:

Thanks Doorman. R.W.

The sad thing about the layout is theres at least three turns tap-con'd down now. And putting tap cons down everywhere will only shorten the lifespan of the carpet as it intruduces places where it can rip or lift up. I think we need to look at it again and tweak it so certian areas arent 4' or 5' wide as they have moved to now. Little hard to pass someone when you go to there left and run straight into an angled board headon!! Hmmmm-was that me-whackkkk-yup that was me....

Thanks Doorman. R.W.
Rick, Please get back to me. It helped me a lot, it should do the same for you.
e-mail me @ trumschlag@neo.rr.com

Talk to you soon.
Tracy :cool:

JM-great job driving Sunday!! Really schooled me in the corners!!
Ray, knowing Mucho the way I do, you should of said, "Really SCREWED me in the corners!!" He'll understand.

Tracy :cool:

Can anyone tell me the JACO double pink and double pink orange tire equivalent in PARMA tires? i was thinking Cyan and magenta ? any help would be great. Thanks :thumbsup:

Can anyone tell me the JACO double pink and double pink orange tire equivalent in PARMA tires? i was thinking Cyan and magenta ? any help would be great. Thanks :thumbsup:
Mr-Tamiya- YGM!

Tracy

Joneser - Thanks Brutha. Yes, I will be at The Champs fo shur.

Doorman - you're a tool.

Oh Great Red-Haired One - Where you at? Holla back yo.

Later Fellas-
JM

Can anyone tell me the JACO double pink and double pink orange tire equivalent in PARMA tires? i was thinking Cyan and magenta ? any help would be great. Thanks :thumbsup:
cyan/magenta is the equivilent. Much smaller ring of orange on the outside of the front tires though. Good tires!!! Great Price!

What sizes are you guys cutting your tires too? (touring)

dan/pete

any of you ran a pro 3 at the gate? i need some setup help. cant afford to get a tc3 yet, so i gotta run what i've got. its my first time on the carpet.


the lonely pro 3 racer.

What sizes are you guys cutting your tires too? (touring)

dan/pete Dan,

2.30" or as close to it as possible.

Pete,

Right out of the package-whats a truer???? :lol:

Ray

cyan/magenta is the equivilent. Much smaller ring of orange on the outside of the front tires though. Good tires!!! Great Price! Thanks for the info much appreciated! :thumbsup: