No doubt about it-but now I turned all but three of my packs into saddles-uggghhhhh.....

I am curious to drive and tune a rev4 again after running the 12L's for a few weeks. Remember though-I have a 12L4 in a box. Something on its drilled wrong and havent had time to figure out what part. I sent the chassis back to AE and they sent it back and said its fine. So its either a very bad t-plate or a very bad bottom plate...

Soooooo 12.0 is my best with a 12L. So I hope to run that and maybe do a 11.8 to get more competitive w/ the boys.

Ray


Ray, welcome back to the Dark Side!

Well-its like 900º outside!! Might as well come out of the sun and practice tonight.

Jimmy-looks like a pretty good crowd of 12th scales tonight. Maybe one or two times tonight designate a 12th only track time? The rest of the night well drive the 12th at our own risk.

Ray

Eric,

Are you bringing that body tonight for Jennifer?
If so, how much do we owe you?

Eric doesnt have access to Hobbytalk at work. I'll e-mail him and if he responds-I'll post it.


Ray
Eric,

Are you bringing that body tonight for Jennifer?
If so, how much do we owe you?

STONE-Eric says "Yes, I am bringing it and it is on the house."

Ray

I wont be there, for i am a poor person...:(
-Buddy

Sweet.......see everyone tonight!

Thats a bummer dude! HOpe you have a windfall soon. I am even running a borrowed BMI Tc3 tonight!!I wont be there, for i am a poor person...:(
-Buddy

Ray,

How did the Epic ROAR stock run last night?

Hi,

I am looking for advice on how to get my 12L4 to change directions faster. It seems on the current track layout, the car has trouble transitioning quickly through the many tight turns.

The car is setup with the stock front springs and rear spring, thin t-plate with the three screws holding it down. TRC purple fronts and pink rears. Zero degress of toe, camber set at about -1.25 degrees so that the tires wear flat.

Also the car tends to push going into the turn and oversteer at the end of the turn. I have tried cahnging the caster by moving the white spacers around, but this only made it worse. The stock caster set-up is best, but does not solve the problem.

Adam,

Have you tried a thicker t-plate?

Lots and lots of top end. For a Sedan it didnt have the rip of the Monster-but I am guessing in 12th scale-all that RPM will be able to be put to good use. Also-its possible the ROAR stock can be tuned for more torque. Its so new that Eric Anderson hasnt ever driven one ona track before. I think my best Monsters were around 30,000 rpm on the dyno and the ROAR stock pulled 33,000!!



Ray,

How did the Epic ROAR stock run last night?

If anyone is interested I am selling one of my TC3's.

Paul

Adam,

Have you tried a thicker t-plate?


Hi David,

I haven't tried the thicker plate, but was considering it. Which t-plate r u running?

Try a touch of Toe-out-just a little. A little more dual rate or a touch more sauce on the front tires. Also try a softer front spring (0.018). Come over and have Chicky look at your car Tuesday night or have one of those fast guys drive it too.


Ray
Hi,

I am looking for advice on how to get my 12L4 to change directions faster. It seems on the current track layout, the car has trouble transitioning quickly through the many tight turns.

The car is setup with the stock front springs and rear spring, thin t-plate with the three screws holding it down. TRC purple fronts and pink rears. Zero degress of toe, camber set at about -1.25 degrees so that the tires wear flat.

Also the car tends to push going into the turn and oversteer at the end of the turn. I have tried cahnging the caster by moving the white spacers around, but this only made it worse. The stock caster set-up is best, but does not solve the problem.

Adam, I'm running CRC's graphite t-plate. Which I think is comparable to a .075" fiberglass t-plate. I'm also running .022" springs up front and dope on the inside half of the tire and the 4-2 degree caster setting. I would try Ray's suggestions as well. Remember, only make one change at a time.

Ray, I was thinking about the softer springs as well. But Adam said the car is understeering at turn in and oversteering as the car turns in tighter through out the turn. I know a softer spring would allow more bite at turn in, but as the suspension compresses and more of the car's weight is thrown to the outside, wouldn't the car want to hook more? I'm questioning your knowledge, just doing some analytical thinking.

[QUOTE=rayhuang]Try a touch of Toe-out-just a little. A little more dual rate or a touch more sauce on the front tires. Also try a softer front spring (0.018). Come over and have Chicky look at your car Tuesday night or have one of those fast guys drive it too.


Increasing th dual rate causes the car to no longer understeer on the turn-in, but it exacerbates the oversteer coming out of the corner. I have tried saucing up to 3/4ths of the front tires. It helps a little. I will try the toe-out.

Dave-yup-your right!! Balance is the key!!

Adam-try a combination of things to get the balance. Its sounds like you need less caster to me. But you say it didnt help. So maybe a combination of less caster (arms strighter-up) to stop the entry push and exit over-rotataion and then if it helps, but you need something else-change somethng else.

Ray

Ray, I was thinking about the softer springs as well. But Adam said the car is understeering at turn in and oversteering as the car turns in tighter through out the turn. I know a softer spring would allow more bite at turn in, but as the suspension compresses and more of the car's weight is thrown to the outside, wouldn't the car want to hook more? I'm questioning your knowledge, just doing some analytical thinking.
So heres my dilemma-I ran my rev4 and on its first pack-car felt great, rotation was unreal and corner speeed felt high. Actually it had too much rotation for me to be consistent. It didnt like ertan bumps so I droove around them. So on the second run two hours later I sauced less, but car was an unholy beast to drive. It was bouncing over bumps, edgy at turn in and I couldnt drive it consistent corner to corner. HHHHmmmmmm....... Now what am I to do?!?!?! hahaha!

So heres my dilemma-I ran my rev4 and on its first pack-car felt great, rotation was unreal and corner speeed felt high. Actually it had too much rotation for me to be consistent. It didnt like ertan bumps so I droove around them. So on the second run two hours later I sauced less, but car was an unholy beast to drive. It was bouncing over bumps, edgy at turn in and I couldnt drive it consistent corner to corner. HHHHmmmmmm....... Now what am I to do?!?!?! hahaha!
Go back to a t-plate car! LOL

Don, I see you. How's the 1/12 scale coming along?

Soon!!Go back to a t-plate car! LOL

Soon!!
Are you serious, because I was just joking.

by any chance could you e-mail me jimmy, or chris g for that reason. chefmo88@msn.com

Jimmy, you have a P.M.

big noodle-my HEEERRRooooooo!!!

Does anyone know what the big spider looking thing is refering to for a new Trinity product, says it is coming 10/1/04. On back of car action, and xtreme?
-Buddy

I believe it is a motor.

That is just a myth.....isn't it:confused:

Jimmy-I cut a set of Purple/ornage and Purples. I never ran them. Wanna trade for your Orange/ dbl pink, dbl. pinks if thye are still big?

Joneser-thats funny!!

Thats what i thought, but is it stock or mod?
-Buddy

Back in the area and I will be going you guys running 12th scale and maybe tc if I can find a car.

Just got Aarons RugRat 12th scale and will be running that.

Ray have a extra tc3 laying around?

BuddyB - give me a jingle or pm so we can hook up and goto the races.

Feels good to be back in Ohio!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Going love to smell the traction compound also!!!! Sorry if my racing is a little rusty.

See ya all out there......

Getting the itch to race again. Already ran off copies of MB's mod sedan setups from Snowbirds and the Champs. Just need to get new batteries ordered.

Both myself and Chicky have Tc3 for sale. Mine is one with a brand new BMI chassis kit on it.

Chicky's has the tub-but its dialed. Well mine is too!!!

See you at track soon. 12th isalways a strong class at the Gate.

Back in the area and I will be going you guys running 12th scale and maybe tc if I can find a car.

Just got Aarons RugRat 12th scale and will be running that.

Ray have a extra tc3 laying around?

BuddyB - give me a jingle or pm so we can hook up and goto the races.

Feels good to be back in Ohio!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Going love to smell the traction compound also!!!! Sorry if my racing is a little rusty.

See ya all out there......

Eric,

I hope you havent bought spares, option parts. I doubt I am going to run a Tc3 again and I have my parts box filled to the top with parts.

Ray

Getting the itch to race again. Already ran off copies of MB's mod sedan setups from Snowbirds and the Champs. Just need to get new batteries ordered.

Ray - send some pics and info plus prices to me.

tazmanmc@aol.com

Thanx

Cool, Ray. I still have most of the parts from running a TC3 before, but more parts are good, let me know what you have and how much u want for it. You need any Xray parts? I sold my cars, but not the parts box yet. Email me. Also, I just bought a Fussy Brush setup for breaking in/serrating brushes. :) I'm a sucker for cool gizmos.

I'll e-mail ya some info tonight-then tomorrow I'll send some pics. The cars got Warpspeed diff cases and a super free drivetrain and just rebuilt shocks wiht new o-rings, bobbins, Yokomo caps, etc. Very smooth-havent even hit the track yet. Suspension is basically all new as it was rebuilt right before the Nats and not run much if at all since then. IN fact-I think i sold the chassis off of it right after Nats to a local guy. Hmmm-I guess I dont need to send that e-mail now!!

Pics tomorrow. I guarantee its in mint condition and very well built.

Ray

Ray - send some pics and info plus prices to me.

tazmanmc@aol.com

Thanx

chicky,

You have a PM

chicky,

You have a PM
I got it. You could have called ya know.:freak:

Paul

Jimmy, were you thinking of ordering some of those motors that Ray was using the other night from EA Motorsports? I might be interested in trying out one of those ROAR stocks.

Hey all,

So I take it Stock Sedan and Stock 12th are the hot classes next Club race?

Anyone want to run Mod or 19t sedan soon? I got all these hot motors and nowhere to run-em!!

Ray

Woot! Hotel rooms for the Champs are reserved! Do you have your room for the Champs yet? It's never too early.
New batteries are also on order! Now to stock up on tires!

Eric-remember-Parma is coming out with there own line of foam tires. They will have the usual plaids and purples and dbl pink and dbl. pink/oranges on a white rim and 28mm for sedan and also 12th scale tires.. I am trying to run my tires down to the rim in expectation of those tires.

Good to know. Hope they come out soon, the time to stock up for the Champs is now, cuz there is ALWAYS a shortage of tires right before the Champs. Need to get more Parma Alpha bodies too, seems like that's the hot body to run now. What about a price on your TC3 spare parts box?

Bean's my hero, can you get me a price for the Integy C22340 Team Auto Super Lathe and the C22339 Team Autotruecut Tire Trueing Machine and the C22306A touring car tire adapter? I'm interested in ordering these, but need a better price than directly from Integy. Thanks.

Need some advice for gearing for 12th scale at the gate. Arron suggested 100-29.

Also looking to get some good 4 cell packs if anyone has some extra.

Also check my for sale items on rctech if interested in any contact me and I can bring it to the track.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44111

See ya at the track

Hey all,

I just sold a 12th scale car-but didnt realize the chassis on it was cracked.....Does anyone have a good condition LC chassis I can buy cheap and pick up Monday or Tuesday?

Heres my cell if anyone has one. Please call Monday!!

216-870-3263

Ray

Hmm, I'm on vacation week after this coming one, maybe I'll come that Tuesday to race. And hopefully pick up the stuff I asked Jimmy to order for me.

Eric-awesome!! Do it-but it might be a practice night-I'll have to check. if you do come-out on a race night, lets run Mod!!!

man-I am still PO'd-I gotta let this stuff go.

RayHmm, I'm on vacation week after this coming one, maybe I'll come that Tuesday to race. And hopefully pick up the stuff I asked Jimmy to order for me.

man-I am still PO'd-I gotta let this stuff go.

Ray
I guess this guy never heard; Buyer beware, buy as is, or all sales are final! I would tell this guy he should have looked the car over before buying and to go pound salt.