Yah, but what if YOUR monkey-ass dont remember to BRING the jumps??? and DONT tell me that wouldnt happen either.....
as for you guys CRAVING a 19 Turn truck class.... you guys can barely handle the stock trucks as it is....
now you guys want better jumps??? i will admit, the jumps from last year were lame, but what else can be done? you got storage issues, you got size issues (dont forget that the Mini-T's use them too - altho, a mini-t could take a slightly larger jump), you got safety issues, running space issues, and all that goood stuff to go along with it... honestly, with the current layout and size of the track (which i really really like) i dont think it'll be possible to go any larger with the jumps...
keep in mind, that these comments are just my $.02, and prolly dont mean jack-squat... but i just thought i'd share my input......

-Tone

WOW someone saw my point. I thought it was lost by the children.......


Mike

Yah, but what if YOUR monkey-ass dont remember to BRING the jumps??? and DONT tell me that wouldnt happen either.....
as for you guys CRAVING a 19 Turn truck class.... you guys can barely handle the stock trucks as it is....
now you guys want better jumps??? i will admit, the jumps from last year were lame, but what else can be done? you got storage issues, you got size issues (dont forget that the Mini-T's use them too - altho, a mini-t could take a slightly larger jump), you got safety issues, running space issues, and all that goood stuff to go along with it... honestly, with the current layout and size of the track (which i really really like) i dont think it'll be possible to go any larger with the jumps...
keep in mind, that these comments are just my $.02, and prolly dont mean jack-squat... but i just thought i'd share my input......

-Tone

i wouldn't forget the jumps first of all.

about the safety issue, we have huge jumps outdoor with friggin 1/8 scales flyin off them and those dont cause a problem.

we need 19 turns cause we pin it around the whole track except for one part with stock motors.

one more thing tone, you owe me $$$ and i needs it before October 10th.

i wouldn't forget the jumps first of all.

about the safety issue, we have huge jumps outdoor with friggin 1/8 scales flyin off them and those dont cause a problem.

we need 19 turns cause we pin it around the whole track except for one part with stock motors.



Ok... first thing first.... OUTDOORS is DIFFERENT!! outdoors only the MARSHALLS have to worry about gettin Conked in the branial area.. indoors, it'd be different - being that the pit area in front is soooo close to the track, PLUS we gotta watch out for the WINDOWS and stuff too.... do ya think that if it was able to be done, that we woulda done it last year? i'll look into the jump situation.... mebbe if i cover the jumps w/ a little OZITE, you guys would be a little happier... i dont exactly think they need to be BIGGER, but maybe a little different... but then again, what we had last year was kinda cool, little speed bumps.... ANYWAYS, we'll just have to see..... i'm sure the board members are reading this, and thinking about it....

as for the 19 Turn bitch-post - get it outta your head! faster isnt always better! i guarantee, if i raced that truck class w/ the 19 turn, it would be the LAST damn time because i'd prolly wind up KILLING some poor spectator... i'm not saying that YOU guys cant handle the power indoors, but what about some one like me, or O'DOrk? someone WILL get hurt... i BELIEVE the board had discussed a 19 Turn class for trucks - and i believe that the board DID come to the same safety issue... Guys, please speak up if i am wrong..... Cheese, i believe you were there for the discussion as well - can YOU remember what the reasons against it were???

... wow... now i got another $.02 in! i am on a roll tonight - my brain must be turned on or something!

-Tone

one more thing tone, you owe me $$$ and i needs it before October 10th.
You wanna know something??? Sniff my undercarrage, and then i'll give you the $$$!

in all seriousness though, i'll prolly bring cashish for it on SUNDAY at the race!

-TOne

Ok... first thing first.... OUTDOORS is DIFFERENT!! outdoors only the MARSHALLS have to worry about gettin Conked in the branial area.. indoors, it'd be different - being that the pit area in front is soooo close to the track, PLUS we gotta watch out for the WINDOWS and stuff too.... do ya think that if it was able to be done, that we woulda done it last year? i'll look into the jump situation.... mebbe if i cover the jumps w/ a little OZITE, you guys would be a little happier... i dont exactly think they need to be BIGGER, but maybe a little different... but then again, what we had last year was kinda cool, little speed bumps.... ANYWAYS, we'll just have to see..... i'm sure the board members are reading this, and thinking about it....

as for the 19 Turn bitch-post - get it outta your head! faster isnt always better! i guarantee, if i raced that truck class w/ the 19 turn, it would be the LAST damn time because i'd prolly wind up KILLING some poor spectator... i'm not saying that YOU guys cant handle the power indoors, but what about some one like me, or O'DOrk? someone WILL get hurt... i BELIEVE the board had discussed a 19 Turn class for trucks - and i believe that the board DID come to the same safety issue... Guys, please speak up if i am wrong..... Cheese, i believe you were there for the discussion as well - can YOU remember what the reasons against it were???

... wow... now i got another $.02 in! i am on a roll tonight - my brain must be turned on or something!

-Tone

well if we do build a larger jump it will be far away from spectators and over toward the wall. and believe me we wont be building anything high enough to break the windows

and i don't think 19 turns will be that much more powerful than the stock motors that it will be a cause for concern

well if we do build a larger jump it will be far away from spectators and over toward the wall. and believe me we wont be building anything high enough to break the windows

and i don't think 19 turns will be that much more powerful than the stock motors that it will be a cause for concern
Ho Ho Ho......... there isnt a PLACE for a larger jump on the WINDOW side of the track, silly boy! the interior part is like 1/3 of the "spectator side straight" , and that is pretty damn small... no room for anything bigger! i mean, i WISH i had dimensions that would PROVE my point..... but alas, i do not... i'm just sayin, its 75% impossible to put something bigger.... at least that is MY OPINION.....

as for the speed of the 19 Turns...... they are fast..... real fast..... i believe they are faster than the chami 2's that a lot of people were runnin last year. it WILL be a great deal faster, and will cause somesort of safety issue! i mean, remember last year? when ya hit the stage with the cars??? imagine it at a faster rate! there will be dents in them doors for sure! a MOD TC3 will hit it and not put a dent in it, but a truck w/ a 19T will do some damage!

well anyways, shouldnt you be IN BED, ASLEEP?? its late, and you got school tomorrow!

-Tone

Ho Ho Ho.........

well anyways, shouldnt you be IN BED, ASLEEP?? its late, and you got school tomorrow!

-Tone
ho ho ho? what are ya santa now? yea i prolly should be asleep. in fact i think i am going to go to bed now and i will continue my bitching in the morning.

ho ho ho? what are ya santa now? yea i prolly should be asleep. in fact i think i am going to go to bed now and i will continue my bitching in the morning.
no, i'm not SANTA, maybe SATAN, but DEFINATELY not SANTA.... it was more of a Ho Ho Ho meaning that you actually had the BALLS to try to continue the discussion, after i firmly planted a well thought answer up your silly 'lil arse....

i just wish that someone else would at least agree with me........

-Tone

If it isn't broken, why fix it....georgeW.

I agree with G.W. Last year the truck class was really popular and had some good racing. The stock trucks were fast too. If you went with the 19turn motors what will happen is a lot of parts will start to get broken and the class will fall off. Remember we are limited by the size of the room. Tony is right about the safety factor. The cars that are going faster are not going over jumps. There is less chance of someone getting hurt. A lot of stuff comes into play when you have an area that size. Plus the pit area and spectator area are right next to the track. If you go back through the the years and check the classes that moved to much faster motors you will see that those classes got smaller and smaller as time went on....Well that's my .04cents....................WAYNE :eek:

well if we do build a larger jump it will be far away from spectators and over toward the wall. and believe me we wont be building anything high enough to break the windows

and i don't think 19 turns will be that much more powerful than the stock motors that it will be a cause for concern

Where do you expect the trucks to land with a larger jump? You will need some straight away to hit the jump and then land. There is no way anyone would be able to land the jump in a turn. A larger jump would be cool, but untill we have more room its probably NOT going to happen.


Mike

Where do you expect the trucks to land with a larger jump? You will need some straight away to hit the jump and then land. There is no way anyone would be able to land the jump in a turn. A larger jump would be cool, but untill we have more room its probably NOT going to happen.


Mikeif we were to put the jump in the small straight in the center there would be enough room to land and turn before hitting the pipe and it would also be far away from spectators. erik and me aren't talking about building a 4 foot monstrocity just a small table jump. maybe 1- 2 feet high. the trucks wouldn't get too much air because that straight is too short to pick up a lot of speed.

if we were to put the jump in the small straight in the center there would be enough room to land and turn before hitting the pipe and it would also be far away from spectators. erik and me aren't talking about building a 4 foot monstrocity just a small table jump. maybe 1- 2 feet high. the trucks wouldn't get too much air because that straight is too short to pick up a lot of speed.
ok, so, you do realize, that the straight is like only 4 feet long AT MOST??? and so, what would be the point of having a larger jump if it wasnt put in a place where it would create a little excitement? anyways, if you're talkin a table that large, where would it FIT under the stage? and dont even bring up that you'd store it at your crap-house and bring it every week.... what would happen if you got into an acident while bringing it up there? not to mention....
Forget it.... i just cant seem to carry on this discussion....

-Tone

ok, so, you do realize, that the straight is like only 4 feet long AT MOST??? and so, what would be the point of having a larger jump if it wasnt put in a place where it would create a little excitement? anyways, if you're talkin a table that large, where would it FIT under the stage? and dont even bring up that you'd store it at your crap-house and bring it every week.... what would happen if you got into an acident while bringing it up there? not to mention....
Forget it.... i just cant seem to carry on this discussion....

-Tone

Tone we are fighting an uphill battle. Nick HELP!! please shed some light on the subject. I dont think it will be a good idea to put in a bigger jump. Yes it would be more fun and be different, just have to realize that there isnt room for one and it would cause more problems than fun.


Mike

Tone we are fighting an uphill battle. Nick HELP!! please shed some light on the subject. I dont think it will be a good idea to put in a bigger jump. Yes it would be more fun and be different, just have to realize that there isnt room for one and it would cause more problems than fun.


Mike
I dunno if even Nick could help us w/ the explaning.... i guess what will happen is that at the practice day (OCTOBER 30th) that we'll get out the tape measure, and SHOW them that it prolly wont work.... other than that... mebbe i'll at least "design" a few new jump styles until then, just in case the old ones are broken. all i need is lane width dimensions, as well as the length of the CURRENT jumps we have... thats all.... i mean if we do decide on newer jumps (who said they'd have to be different) at least we'd have some sorta good design.... but i think the ones from last year are FINE!

-Tone

I dunno if even Nick could help us w/ the explaning.... i guess what will happen is that at the practice day (OCTOBER 30th) that we'll get out the tape measure, and SHOW them that it prolly wont work.... other than that... mebbe i'll at least "design" a few new jump styles until then, just in case the old ones are broken. all i need is lane width dimensions, as well as the length of the CURRENT jumps we have... thats all.... i mean if we do decide on newer jumps (who said they'd have to be different) at least we'd have some sorta good design.... but i think the ones from last year are FINE!

-Tone

I want to say that the jumps are 4 maybe 5 feet long. Dont quote me on it though.


Mike

Guys it's this simple, none of the track will be stored in anyones house, it would create an unwanted situation. If the said person was not to turn up at the track for a race, it would create more unneeded hassle for the board. I think there will most likely be something done with the jumps this year, but they will not be made much larger, if any larger. The entire track must remain at the church and kept in our assigned space under the stage, no exceptions.

Nick

Guys it's this simple, none of the track will be stored in anyones house, it would create a unwanted situation. If the said person was not to turn up at the track for a race, it would create more hassle for the board that is not needed. I think there will most likely be something done with the jumps this year, but they will not be made much larger, if any larger. The entire track must remain at the church and kept in our assigned space under the stage, no exceptions.

Nick

Thank you Nick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike

Anyone else see the pictures for the prototype losi?

Nick

Anyone else see the pictures for the prototype losi?

Nick
Which Prototype?? the new 1/10th TC prototype?? i havent seen any pics....

-Tone

Guys it's this simple, none of the track will be stored in anyones house, it would create an unwanted situation. If the said person was not to turn up at the track for a race, it would create more unneeded hassle for the board. I think there will most likely be something done with the jumps this year, but they will not be made much larger, if any larger. The entire track must remain at the church and kept in our assigned space under the stage, no exceptions.

Nick
Damn man! took ya long enuff.... i think i had squelched the "storing of track at anyone's house" thing.... but yah, its good to see another person having a SOUND Mind..... thanks!

-Tone

Chris M.,

Here's a little something ya need for your TNX.....

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178696

-Tone

Which Prototype?? the new 1/10th TC prototype?? i havent seen any pics....

-Tone
They were posted on rctech...then got taken down

Nick

damn.... that is unfortunate.... rctech.net?? mebbe you got them in your browsers cache!

-Tone

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51239&perpage=40&pagenumber=4

Theres a link on that page to it

Nick

THis Link???

http://www.imagefile.net/TFTRWebsite/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=455

-Tone

That would be it, but I'm not affiliating myself what-so-ever with those pictures...sounds like someone might be getting in trouble over them...

Nick

That would be it, but I'm not affiliating myself what-so-ever with those pictures...sounds like someone might be getting in trouble over them...

NickProlly.... heh... hey, all you and i did was find them in an open forum... rofl.... but i wont post the ACTUAL images.... never never..
-Tone

Sean: Stock motors are a lot slower then 19t (68watts/18,500 rpm vs, 108watts/24,000(cameleon)). Anyone want a 68 watt CLUB stock motor :)

Sean: Stock motors are a lot slower then 19t (68watts/18,500 rpm vs, 108watts/24,000(cameleon)). Anyone want a 68 watt CLUB stock motor :).... Thanks for the INFO on tha, Jim...

Ryan: See, that is EXACTLY what i was trying to say, and if JIM hadnt posted the #'s, i dont think you guys would understand...

Jim: as well as we went to a new CLUB 19T motor (see Trinity's ULTRaBIRD Motor)

-Tone

ok, so, you do realize, that the straight is like only 4 feet long AT MOST??? and so, what would be the point of having a larger jump if it wasnt put in a place where it would create a little excitement? anyways, if you're talkin a table that large, where would it FIT under the stage? and dont even bring up that you'd store it at your crap-house and bring it every week.... what would happen if you got into an acident while bringing it up there? not to mention....
Forget it.... i just cant seem to carry on this discussion....

-Tone
that straight is like 10 feet long. and thetable jump isn't going to be that big. just 1 ft high and like 3 feet long end to end.

nevermind...

that straight is like 10 feet long. and thetable jump isn't going to be that big. just 1 ft high and like 3 feet long end to end.i really dont think that it can be 10 feet..... but whatever... maybe 6 feet... but a jump 4 foot long, and 1 foot high by track width wide is still HUUUUGE!! how the frigg is that supposed to be stored??? you really need to turn your brain on....

-Tone

EDIT: i am REALLLLLLLLLY starting to get FRUSTRATED with you!!!!

nevermind...
i woulda LOVED to HEAR that..... c'mon man.....
-TOne

p.s. i dont think they will take NO for an answer.... friggin kids.....

i really dont think that it can be 10 feet..... but whatever... maybe 6 feet... but a jump 4 foot long, and 1 foot high by track width wide is still HUUUUGE!! how the frigg is that supposed to be stored??? you really need to turn your brain on....

-Tone

EDIT: i am REALLLLLLLLLY starting to get FRUSTRATED with you!!!!
its a table jump so we could build it in two sections. that way we would only have to store 2 1.5x1 sections. i said three feet not four

its a table jump so we could build it in two sections. that way we would only have to store 2 1.5x1 sections. i said three feet not fourwell, whatever, but then you have a JOINT in the middle, that if someone SMACKS into it from the pit stretch, it might get moved - therefore seperating it into two pieces... PLUS.... that kinda jump would probably ruin the carpet..... i can see the carpet getting ripped around the joint areas and such.... plus, any kind of TABLE jump would HAVE to be lined with carpet on the outside....

i guess you just cant take NO for an answer.......

-Tone

how about you just let me, erik, craig, and cheese draw somethin up and then you can say whatever you want about it when you see it on paper?

Point of reference....

3 feet long by 1 foot high, 12 foot straight, 4 inch pipes...


Nick

Point of reference....

3 feet long by 1 foot high, 12 foot straight, 4 inch pipes...


Nicktry it like 4 foot long..... so its 1 foot on the up, 2 foot flat, 1 foot down... i think that is what they are lookin fer... but i see problems as well.... what happens if som jackoff jumps on that thing, and lands on the pit-side stretch going the WRONG way???

Blah Blah Blah Blah - that is what i should be saying to him, i think..... he isnt hearing what i am saying.....

-Tone

Point of reference....

3 feet long by 1 foot high, 12 foot straight, 4 inch pipes...


Nick
that looks pretty doable to me. in that reference thing the angle of the jump looks a little steep but that shows that there will be plenty of room to turn after the trucks land.

how about you just let me, erik, craig, and cheese draw somethin up and then you can say whatever you want about it when you see it on paper?
ok... listen... i am NOT trying to be a dick about this.... but we've given you SEVERAL reasons why its not a good idea. now Nick is creating little CAD drawings for references... and you can see where it is getting you.... i applaud your desire to make it more fun, and possibly better. and i applaud your persistence (http://www.mirriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=persistence) (notice the LINK so u can find out what the word means) on this issue. PLEASE turn on the brain tho.. think logistically (i think i need another one of them LINKS) about all the issues entwined in this request for a table jump (or other jumps for that matter) before responding again......

-Tone

that looks pretty doable to me. in that reference thing the angle of the jump looks a little steep but that shows that there will be plenty of room to turn after the trucks land.
but in order to have ANY sort of table-esque type action, the face of the jumps HAVE to be that steep.... anyways, i still think there will be all sorts of issues....

-Tone

that looks pretty doable to me. in that reference thing the angle of the jump looks a little steep but that shows that there will be plenty of room to turn after the trucks land.
Looks pretty ridiculous to me!

Nick

<<Jim: as well as we went to a new CLUB 19T motor (see Trinity's ULTRaBIRD Motor)>>

This is the club 19t motor ? When can I get mine ?

btw guy good bargins at http://jimsmith.iwarp.com/RC/RC.html :rolleyes:

<<Jim: as well as we went to a new CLUB 19T motor (see Trinity's ULTRaBIRD Motor)>>

This is the club 19t motor ? When can I get mine ?

btw guy good bargins at http://jimsmith.iwarp.com/RC/RC.html :rolleyes:
Definitely the first indoor day (October 30th, practice day), possibly before if they are done getting engraved, can't beat the price, $25!

Nick

<<Jim: as well as we went to a new CLUB 19T motor (see Trinity's ULTRaBIRD Motor)>>

This is the club 19t motor ? When can I get mine ?

btw guy good bargins at http://jimsmith.iwarp.com/RC/RC.html :rolleyes:Hopefully soon.... i KNOW the club has them, but i DONT know when we will have them at a race - Wayne, Charlie, are you guys bringing them on SUNDAY to the outdoor race?

but what i do know.... they are 25bux with springs and brushes - and are mandatory for use in our 19turn classes..... that way - at least the motors will be 89% similar (hehe i said 89%) for closer competition!

-Tone

EDIT: See Nick's post above.....

I have question about membership dues. When is it due? Twelve months after I signed up as a member or at the begining of each year? Please let me know.

I have Monster GT and it seems to have very poor steering. I have a lot of trouble making the tight turns on the track. My Savage truck has no problem at all. Does anyone own an MGT and runs it on the Dirtrunners track? I have tried so many different thing on my MGT to improve its poor turning radius that Im about to give up on it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have question about membership dues. When is it due? Twelve months after I signed up as a member or at the begining of each year? Please let me know.

I have Monster GT and it seems to have very poor steering. I have a lot of trouble making the tight turns on the track. My Savage truck has no problem at all. Does anyone own an MGT and runs it on the Dirtrunners track? I have tried so many different thing on my MGT to improve its poor turning radius that Im about to give up on it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.i can answer the membership dues thing pretty soundly... you'll need to renew in January 2005.....

as for the MGT setup.... lemme take a look at the damn thing on the associated website.... what steering servo do you currently have in the truck?

-Tone

nick not to be a bigger pain but i decided to read about the t spec and its rules and it said only the tspec body r we going to be running that rule cuz before u said we could run any 190mm body