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satrnfreak
06-12-2004, 07:47 PM
Erik, we'll see, i really dont see a problem, but i'll let you know next week. Things are getting a little hecktic around here getting close to the leave date for Hat/Mc. If not i will do it before next race day.

fREaK

craftmastaschiz
06-12-2004, 07:49 PM
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Gotta get myself a buggy too. ;-)



me three i will have a bk2 by next month

kybob
06-12-2004, 08:43 PM
Erik, we'll see, i really dont see a problem, but i'll let you know next week. Things are getting a little hecktic around here getting close to the leave date for Hat/Mc. If not i will do it before next race day.

fREaK

Whenever mike it really does'nt matter when it gets done as long as it can be cut by the next race. Since we wont be at the fatherday thing either it can wait a couple of weeks

USPatriot
06-12-2004, 11:43 PM
Mitchel hall, umm i am working like wed, but my friend isnt getting my parts till tuesday for sure this time, so if you dont mind stoping by tuesday,

USPatriot
06-12-2004, 11:47 PM
Hi guys, I just want to say thank you to all for give me your friendship and let me be in the club, no body know how hard is to be from other country, I think that I can't talk just about RC cars or racing, We can talk about friendship, and you guys are the best, and the only friends that I have, Thanks to all!!!!!!!!!
Galo
P.D. thanks also to the spelling in the computer!!!!!!!

Galo you are a good man, and i have to say that i have seen you really progress as a racer, now i am counting down the race days untill you kick my @$$, you always have friends and competitors in racing, that is what makes it great

wayneny
06-13-2004, 02:27 AM
Good morning fellow fanatics. We are looking forward to a great day of fun and racing on Fathers Day. Since time won't be a problem that day I am going to make the nitro races longer. If anyone wants the electric races to be longer let me know and we can give it a shot too. I was at Critters yesterday and want to let everyone know that he now carries Personal Transponders. If you give him a call at 973-790-3800 Aldo can bring them to the track for you and save you a trip to the shop.Also Cruzin told me to let everyone know that if you know of stuff you need try and give him a call by thursday. In case he does'nt have the parts he can get them at the distributor on friday morning and they can be brought to the track on sunday. If you can plan ahead try and do so. I am really pleased with the way this season is going. We now have parts and batteries available on site. We have come a long way. Thanks to all who have made this possible..................WAYNE

nicwald
06-13-2004, 12:39 PM
Oh yeah, one other thing I wanted to ask everyone's opinions about: tires.

Here's what I've discovered so far (for the T4):

Track conditions:

- If it rained the night before and it's real wet and chunky for 1st race: Step-pins
- Very dry and dusty: Holeshots
- Moderate (typical race conditions): Holeshots/Ifmar pins

Basically, I'm wondering if anyone has tried some of the alternate configs/compounds like the Proline Fuzzie-T, Blade fronts, Evil Twin, etc.

-jon

It could just be the lack of my driving skills, but I do not find a large difference (at our track) between the different mini-pins, if the track is really dry, just about any small pin usually works well, but then again, I usually just run the ifmar pins or step pins, and just deal with the loose. The blade fronts are the proline version of the losi fronts, or are they the split mini-pins and ribs? I haven't tried them, I probably should, since I have a pair.


Nick

nicwald
06-13-2004, 12:43 PM
Really, to keep the motor running healthy and strong you should have it cut each time you change the brushes (some cut every other run in spite of brushes--I don't particularly sponsor that idea myself--some of the lubrication is gone out of the brushes by then.) And, you should change your brushes every four to six runs optimally.

Obviously, you can have it cut far less often, but you'll notice a degradation of performance as well as more strain on the motor.

Some indicators of needing a motor rebuild: severe discoloration of the comm, motor drawing more/less amps (i.e.: 12 turn drawing 2 amps or 25 amps) than normal, discolored or mishapen brushes (also due to overgearing), severe arcing

-jon
With respect to brushes, for our track, I would reccommend the long lasting brushes, something hard, with low silver content. Thats all you need, I of course always run the high siver soft brushes, but thats just beacause its what I have, and as such I should rebuild every week, but I usually can go a couple races without really needing to be rebuilt. But, I pay the price, when you let the motor continue to run without rebuild you lose a lot of comm, so rebuilding more often actually makes your motor last longer. I think a good rule of thumb would be every 2 races.

Nick

nicwald
06-13-2004, 12:50 PM
Hi guys, I just want to say thank you to all for give me your friendship and let me be in the club, no body know how hard is to be from other country, I think that I can't talk just about RC cars or racing, We can talk about friendship, and you guys are the best, and the only friends that I have, Thanks to all!!!!!!!!!
Galo
P.D. thanks also to the spelling in the computer!!!!!!!

We're glad t have you racing with us Galo, you are truly a great friend, and yes thank god for spell checker! It saves me the easily correctable problems that the youngsters always have in their posts! :lol: :D

Gary NJ
06-13-2004, 01:01 PM
I just saw the Sports Authority flyer in the Sunday paper, and they have the 10' X 10' Quik Shade pop up instant canopy on sale this week for only $64.99. That is by far the cheapest I've ever seen that pop up go for - 50% off the regular price! If you've been wanting one, this would be the deal to catch. The sale is June 13 - June 19th. July is coming.....

Gary

jdwca
06-13-2004, 01:38 PM
> With respect to brushes, for our track, I would reccommend the long
> lasting brushes, something hard, with low silver content. Thats all you

That's a good piece of advice. The long lasting brushes (by Orion in particular) do indicate 4-8 runs I believe.

I think two races is a solid time frame for replacing brushes and having the motor rebuilt: 8-10 runs (6 total heats + 2-4 practice runs).

-jon

sean cant drive
06-13-2004, 07:36 PM
does anyone know if using an epic arm in a yokomo causes any problems?

dendad
06-13-2004, 08:40 PM
hey guys I'm looking for a better set up for my losi nt.Right now I'm running the stock set-up and having a lot of problems spinning out in the corners with too much steering, how do I lessen it any input would be appreciated.

Gary NJ
06-13-2004, 09:11 PM
hey guys I'm looking for a better set up for my losi nt.Right now I'm running the stock set-up and having a lot of problems spinning out in the corners with too much steering, how do I lessen it any input would be appreciated.
Try stiffer front springs (try oranges) and/or softer rear springs (try pinks). Try a front tire like a Losi Taper Pin or a Panther Switch rather than a ribbed front tire. Use at least 1* front toe in. Raise the front ride height and/or lower the rear. Run more rear toe in. Turn down the steering dual rate. Tell the finger pulling the trigger to calm down in the corners (most important tip).

Gary

sean cant drive
06-13-2004, 11:30 PM
hey guys I'm looking for a better set up for my losi nt.Right now I'm running the stock set-up and having a lot of problems spinning out in the corners with too much steering, how do I lessen it any input would be appreciated.i used to have a xxx-t and was having a similar problem(mostly because i sucked at driving at the time) i remember someone telling me that by running the front ride height slightly higher than the rear you will lose traction in the front and gain a little in the rear. i tried it and it worked

wayneny
06-14-2004, 01:16 AM
There is a Gander Mountain store in Middletown NY that has easy up tents for69.99. They are 10x10 too. I have been working on all my stuff getting ready to put a whooping on that school bus in monster oval class. Hope we get some more takers to run that class it is a whole lot of fun. Not as much as Mini-T oval though.

wayneny
06-14-2004, 10:11 AM
Tone, haven't seen you posting at all. Did you possibly find a job? Hope so. Will you be th ere on sunday? Galo, how about you? Are you going to be there?.........WAYNE

nicwald
06-14-2004, 11:09 AM
does anyone know if using an epic arm in a yokomo causes any problems?
The big difference is the air gap, I've run an epic arm in a yokomo setup and it seemed to run well enough for me, you shouldn't have a problem.

Nick

rcnutzz
06-14-2004, 12:40 PM
Hi everybody, I can't go this weekend, I'm going to miss racing may I'm going to the F1 racing in Indianapolis, if not I will be on the track, good to know about the E-z tent in $65 thanks guys
Galo

rcnutzz
06-14-2004, 12:46 PM
Hi John check This out
http://www.outlawracingleague.com/orl2main.html
for turing cars, I wanna go.....Do you want to go?..

John Tag
06-14-2004, 03:34 PM
The next race is at Jackson R/C its a huge asphalt roadcourse. Its awsome.I live 10 min awayand cant wait ,the ORL deal is great stock touring is usally the most poplar class with atleast 3 mains or more. Ive ran a few shows and thought its a good deal. Great racing,Door prizes and people. Some come from NJ,NY,PA,VA.You can run rubber tires like take offs but the fast people will be running foams,(purple rears, double purple fronts). Track is in Jackson NJ They have a web with track photos I Think its Jackson r-c racing.com

craftmastaschiz
06-14-2004, 06:39 PM
We're glad t have you racing with us Galo, you are truly a great friend, and yes thank god for spell checker! It saves me the easily correctable problems that the youngsters always have in their posts! :lol: :D

i never mess up my post maybe one comma

craftmastaschiz
06-14-2004, 06:41 PM
hey wayne do u think u can sign me in again, i got work again and cant find anyone to cover for me if u can i am in truck mod offroad with channel 86 thanks

kybob
06-14-2004, 06:42 PM
craig just one mistake you always make is saying,"eryone" that is not a word. The real word is everyone not "eryone"

craftmastaschiz
06-14-2004, 06:44 PM
tone y rent u ever on anymo

craftmastaschiz
06-14-2004, 06:46 PM
craig just one mistake you always make is saying,"eryone" that is not a word. The real word is everyone not "eryone"

hey i wasnt talking to u ok i was tlaking to eryone else

sean cant drive
06-14-2004, 08:00 PM
uh oh, here we go again with the stupid arguements. we were doing so good there for a while.

craftmastaschiz
06-14-2004, 08:11 PM
hey does anyone no if anyone found a silver cell phone i lost it last sunday and still have not found if anyone does just hola back

USPatriot
06-14-2004, 08:48 PM
tone y rent u ever on anymo


ahhhhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, lol, lol, lol, ahhhhahahahahahahahahahahaha, what where you even trying to say, i couldn't even make that one out, lol

kybob
06-14-2004, 09:21 PM
mike if you go to mikes house tomorrow please dont froget my motor and my battery

jdwca
06-14-2004, 09:46 PM
> I just saw the Sports Authority flyer in the Sunday paper, and they have the 10' X 10' Quik Shade pop up instant canopy on sale this week for only $64.99. That is by far the cheapest I've ever seen that pop up go for - 50% off the regular price! If you've been wanting one, this would be the deal to catch. The sale is June 13 - June 19th. July is coming.....

Actually, Gary, we picked up one today at Sports Authority for $31 bucks! I think it was the same deal you were referring to PLUS 50% off. Something to that effect...

So, if any of you are looking for a tent...like Gary said get it THIS WEEK!

-jon

jdwca
06-14-2004, 09:49 PM
> The big difference is the air gap, I've run an epic arm in a yokomo setup
> and it seemed to run well enough for me, you shouldn't have a problem.

Hey, Nick, was the air-gap difference significant? What kind of difference did you note when switching to the Epic arm from a Yokomo-sized arm?

Just out of curiosity...

-jon

jdwca
06-14-2004, 09:54 PM
> The next race is at Jackson R/C its a huge asphalt roadcourse. Its awsome.I live 10 min awayand cant wait ,the ORL deal is great stock touring is usally the most poplar class with atleast 3 mains or more. Ive ran a few shows and thought its a good deal. Great racing,Door prizes and people. Some come from NJ,NY,PA,VA.You can run rubber tires like take offs but the fast people will be running foams,(purple rears, double purple fronts). Track is in Jackson NJ They have a web with track photos I Think its Jackson r-c racing.com

Yeah, Galo. Gary H. and I will be racing at this in two weeks. I haven't practiced yet because I've been waiting for the drivers stand to be completed. I just visited the Jackson site and it looks almost done.

Hey, anybody here interested in going down with us Surge boys? We can do a DirtRunners deal or something. (It's an off-week.)

-jon

wayneny
06-14-2004, 10:01 PM
Hey dendad, is that you Dennis?Just wondering. It's good to see more and more of our members taking advantage of this forum....WAYNE

jdwca
06-14-2004, 10:07 PM
> The next race is at Jackson R/C its a huge asphalt roadcourse. Its awsome.I live 10 min awayand cant wait ,the ORL deal is great stock touring is usally the most poplar class with atleast 3 mains or more. Ive ran a few shows and thought its a good deal. Great racing,Door prizes and people. Some come from NJ,NY,PA,VA.You can run rubber tires like take offs but the fast people will be running foams,(purple rears, double purple fronts). Track is in Jackson NJ They have a web with track photos I Think its Jackson r-c racing.com

Yeah, Galo. Gary H. and I will be racing at this in two weeks. I haven't practiced yet because I've been waiting for the drivers stand to be completed. I just visited the Jackson site and it looks almost done.

Hey, anybody here interested in going down with us Surge boys? We can do a Dirt Runners deal or something. (It's an off-week.)

Check out the link for Jackson: http://www.jacksonrcracing.com

-jon

dendad
06-14-2004, 10:24 PM
Hello Wayne ,yes it's me might as well use it if you've got it ,right.

sean cant drive
06-14-2004, 11:27 PM
tone y rent u ever on anymo
no more rap music for you craig, that garbage that isn't even deserving of being called music is rotting you're brain.

wayneny
06-14-2004, 11:47 PM
Nobody posted a reply about running the electrics longer than 4 minutes on sunday. I can understand spec not wanting to but I thought we might have some takers in other electric classes. Come on guys, it's only for one day. Lets be daring. What is the most that can happen? You might dump. But I doubt it. Let me know..............WAYNE

wayneny
06-14-2004, 11:49 PM
Tone, where you been hiding?????????? It's the first time I've seen your name on here in a while. ......................WAYNE

eviltone
06-15-2004, 12:00 AM
Tone, haven't seen you posting at all. Did you possibly find a job? Hope so. Will you be th ere on sunday? Galo, how about you? Are you going to be there?.........WAYNE
Been Taking a break.... i have not found a Job yet... just not interested in much of anything r/c related.... i might come up to the father's day race w/ my mini-t.... but that'll prolly be the ONLY car i go with. gonna be generatorless as well... its like a week off of racing.....

-Tone

eviltone
06-15-2004, 12:01 AM
i never mess up my post maybe one comma
LIAR!!!!!!!! OMG Craig..... that just made me wanna cry...
-Tone

eviltone
06-15-2004, 12:07 AM
Wayne.... make the mini-t oval a 6 or 7 min. affair.... i think it would be a GAS to see who dies first (it'll be me...)
as for the other classes.... make them 5... it would be a h00t to see who takes care of their batteries and who doesnt..... i need to make a run up to zeppelin for some diff gears for that mini-t..... :) i need to rebuild it CORRECTLY this time... it appears to be "binding" i guess putting the graphite powder in it wasnt too smart... made it really quiet..... but its slow as molasses.... i also think i put a little too much gear coating.... i DEFINATELY over applied it... i didnt read the instructions (damnit). well, i am goin to bed.... gnite all....

-Tone

eviltone
06-15-2004, 12:12 AM
> The next race is at Jackson R/C its a huge asphalt roadcourse. Its awsome.I live 10 min awayand cant wait ,the ORL deal is great stock touring is usally the most poplar class with atleast 3 mains or more. Ive ran a few shows and thought its a good deal. Great racing,Door prizes and people. Some come from NJ,NY,PA,VA.You can run rubber tires like take offs but the fast people will be running foams,(purple rears, double purple fronts). Track is in Jackson NJ They have a web with track photos I Think its Jackson r-c racing.com

Yeah, Galo. Gary H. and I will be racing at this in two weeks. I haven't practiced yet because I've been waiting for the drivers stand to be completed. I just visited the Jackson site and it looks almost done.

Hey, anybody here interested in going down with us Surge boys? We can do a Dirt Runners deal or something. (It's an off-week.)

Check out the link for Jackson: http://www.jacksonrcracing.com (http://www.jacksonrcracing.com/)

-jon
dont you also have to be a ROAR member or some BS like that.... i think that thing is like 30 bux.... i have a TC that i'd LOVE to abuse on some asphalt, but i really wanna know what the deal is, and i cant get their website to load properly....
i was able to get this off of it...
19t 4WD Touring Car: We've opened up the rules this year to allow any ROAR legal 19t motor. 190mm four door sedan bodies and rubber tires only. No Can-Am or GTP style bodies.
yippee....
-Tone

nicwald
06-15-2004, 05:59 AM
> The big difference is the air gap, I've run an epic arm in a yokomo setup
> and it seemed to run well enough for me, you shouldn't have a problem.

Hey, Nick, was the air-gap difference significant? What kind of difference did you note when switching to the Epic arm from a Yokomo-sized arm?

Just out of curiosity...

-jon
I'm pretty certain it was not a large difference, I didn't measure (probably should have) but from a performance perspective, there wasn't really any difference.

Nick

John Tag
06-15-2004, 07:02 AM
The Orl race is touring stock and mod (open mod) they run rubber tires weekley but ORL has a open tire rule,foams are faster.As far as roar membership it is waived for the ORL race .

jdwca
06-15-2004, 07:10 AM
> dont you also have to be a ROAR member or some BS like that.... i think that thing is like 30 bux.... i have a TC that i'd LOVE to abuse on some asphalt, but i really wanna know what the deal is, and i cant get their website to load properly....
i was able to get this off of it...

From what I understand (and has been previously posted) they'll waive the ROAR membership for the ORL race. It's its own organization.

I mean, it's $30 because it's a series race with trophies, etc. They don't have the privelege of membership fees, etc.

BTW, Wayne, I'm cool with 5 minutes. Actually, I'm completely neutral. If the general concensus is 5 minutes, then count me in. If it's 4 minutes then that's fine too.

-jon

Gary NJ
06-15-2004, 09:35 AM
Nobody posted a reply about running the electrics longer than 4 minutes on sunday. I can understand spec not wanting to but I thought we might have some takers in other electric classes. Come on guys, it's only for one day. Lets be daring. What is the most that can happen? You might dump. But I doubt it. Let me know..............WAYNE
We are the ONLY track I have found since I came back to RC 2 years ago that still runs 4 minute mains for off road, dirt oval or carpet. Since I had made a rules proposal for this season to go to 5 minute qualifiers and mains in electric, you know where I stand. I do agree that in spec Rustler the race should remain at 4 minutes with the 1500 packs. Actually, even if you made them 5 minutes, the race would still end in 4 minutes when the lasy one dumped...

If somebody can point me to another track still running 4 minutes with open batteries, I'd sure like to know...

As to the nitro classes, we voted in 5 minute qualifiers and low mains, and 6 minutes for the A mains for this year. So far this year, with the noon starts and big turnouts, everything got cut back to 4 minutes. I am assuming with no time constraints this weekend, we will run 6 minutes in nitro. Since we're not actually qualifying for the mains this week, it might be a nice thing to make all the nitro mains 6 minutes for this week in fairness to those people that get placed into a B.

Gary

Gary NJ
06-15-2004, 09:49 AM
The big difference is the air gap, I've run an epic arm in a yokomo setup and it seemed to run well enough for me, you shouldn't have a problem.

Nick
The other thing to make sure of is that the size of the comm on the arm is compatable with the setup you're putting it into. There are basically three comm sizes in use now, and you want to be sure that the comm diameter is compatible with the endbell and brush setup. Not just physically fitting, but being sure you don't take a small comm diameter arm designed to be used with standup brushes and putting it in a setup with large laydown brushes. That much brush wrap on an arm wound to be used with standup brushes will run hot and poorly.

Last point is arms are wound in one of two directions, which determines which way they rotate. When you swap arms make sure the motor isn't running reversed.

sean cant drive
06-15-2004, 05:45 PM
thanks for the info guys. it's nice to see this forum used for something other than whining and bickering. i am going to try it. the can and endbell i am planning on using with an epic arm are that of a yokomo pt which has the same arm as kr so the original comm was oversized, however it does have standup brushes so i don't think that it will wrap around too much. i will be sure to check the temp after a couple laps just to be sure but from what i gather from you guys it should phase correctly.

sean cant drive
06-15-2004, 05:55 PM
5 minute mains sound good. thats a full 25% more racing, it will also give us more time to make up for those first turn pile ups.