Who all is planning on a little practice thursday? Since this friday night is the official warmup for the next series we need to warm up for the warm up.:confused:

Ill Will Be Practicing Mhl Tipping And Rejoin The Race Friday

Who all is planning on a little practice thursday? Since this friday night is the official warmup for the next series we need to warm up for the warm up.:confused:
I'll be there around 6- 6:30

I should be there thurs. night try to get the new car set up......

Also so everyone knows I will no longer be bring the motor equiptment to the track. If you would like your motors built make sure your name is clearly marked on the can and I will bring it back next week.

Hey jermey that is cool as long aas you still bring the brushes and springs.

Also so everyone knows I will no longer be bring the motor equiptment to the track. If you would like your motors built make sure your name is clearly marked on the can and I will bring it back next week.
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hey Shawn what gear did you end up running????

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buy a lathe FOCKER!!!!!!! It's just a toy car FOCKER!!!!!!!!!

Sorry guys if this is too much of a hassle but I need time to work on both katelyn's and my car. Yes Dave I will bring the brushes....

I did go down for the 2nd qual and it ran faster. I think it was a 36/100, didn't have a 35 or I would have used that. that gave me a 3.76 rollout, with those brand new spec tires @3.3cm. I turned 7.2 for my best laps in the 2nd qual, I think with better tires and some more laps I will be closer to 7.

swwwweeeeeeeeeeeetttttttt hey jermery I don't know how you made it this long!!! I think everybody will understand that your driveing has been suffering lately and you need to worry about that not why there C2 is only a 84 power lol

congrats dave p for posting for the 1,000 time.

Hey Phil what is a good starting rollout for 19t with a 90 pwer 23000 rpm C2

1000 post wow i need a life

well anyways Shawn I ran my C2 with a 2.20 tire 106 spur and 38 pinion that is a 2.57 roll out. I need just a bit more to keep up with Phil and Jerry I am going to start there with a little bigger tire and check the times.

Sorry guys if this is too much of a hassle but I need time to work on both katelyn's and my car. Yes Dave I will bring the brushes....
It's cool Jeremy I was just being my silly self... Dave Shut up ya jackass.

What about a starting roll out for stock?

congrats dave p for posting for the 1,000 time.
Wow 1000 posts.hummmm It's only toy cars FOCKER!!!!!!!! :eek:

What about a starting roll out for stock?Eugene, With a medium to strong monster sofar the most consistantly good rollout is around a 2.20. Dave P. ran a little higher and Shannon Stevenson and myself ran a little lower. One of the benefits of knowing your rollout as opposed to actual gear ratio is it is a constant. In other words rollout has no effect on tire diameter but tire diameter has a huge effect on rollout. A small change in diameter causes a big change in rollout and thats why it's so important to know all the variables. Dont fall into the "well I'm running the same gear ratio as racer X" syndrome. Gears are just an end to a means and rollout is the final answer. Yike! did I just say all that before I had my first cup of coffee?:p

Eugene, With a medium to strong monster sofar the most consistantly good rollout is around a 2.20. Dave P. ran a little higher and Shannon Stevenson and myself ran a little lower. One of the benefits of knowing your rollout as opposed to actual gear ratio is it is a constant. In other words rollout has no effect on tire diameter but tire diameter has a huge effect on rollout. A small change in diameter causes a big change in rollout and thats why it's so important to know all the variables. Dont fall into the "well I'm running the same gear ratio as racer X" syndrome. Gears are just an end to a means and rollout is the final answer. Yike! did I just say all that before I had my first cup of coffee?:p
blah blah blah just go out with the fast guys and see where he pulls u at if he pulls ya down the straight away put teeth on if he pulls ya out the corner take teeth off

But the only guy I will probably be practicing with that runs stock is Chris...:(

He's not considered fast is he? ;) lol

no I'M SLOW..........................current E.T. 30 4:04 hhehehehhehehehhehehehhehwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

no I'M SLOW..........................current E.T. 30 4:04 hhehehehhehehehhehehehhehwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

yea that is slow,and you thought you would break the track record

hi, guys
how are things going? looks like things are still picking up down there.

tip on roll out, once you got your rollout that you like ,
.07 in tire wear is one tooth up on the pinion, works for me.

BIGDON

yea that is slow,and you thought you would break the track record
I did break the track record for missing the entry to turn 3 the most times......hehehehheheheheheh. we'll see how long lighting Dave P's time lasts.. It's early

Oh and thanks Bear for the pep talk......

hi, guys
how are things going? looks like things are still picking up down there.

tip on roll out, once you got your rollout that you like ,
.07 in tire wear is one tooth up on the pinion, works for me.

BIGDONBig Don it's good to hear from you again. Phil got on here and let us all know you were doing good right after your surgery. The sunday racing at Hw pretty much didnt pan out after it started warming up so you'll have to try and make a friday night when you feel up to it. See ya!

Is this Friday the first point series race? Don't know if I'll be able to make it this Friday. Got family over for my sister's wedding last week and this week is my anniversary. So things are still up in the air.

Chris - looks like I'll be racing stock oval too. So get your slow car up to speed when the Eugenes are behind you. :jest:

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Is this Friday the first point series race? Don't know if I'll be able to make it this Friday. :jest:
Well Eugene you're in luck. Next friday is the start of the next points series.

1000 post wow i need a lifeMore like your own thread! lol How about this: "Local R/C action- according to Dave P"? lol
j/k! You racing this Friday??
-George

Hey guys while I am waiting for my super fast computer to download the new Roar rule book I have a question.....On the new 19 turns under the roar rule can you change the brush hoods.....I have heard of the pros using P94 hoods and brushes which would defently be a change Im a little confused......

Bear while your way works. that only tells yah how you stack up against other cars but what if they are slow cars.

I use roll out to find out what the motor likes with the tire size.

On my track record run I used the following a 36 pinion 106 spur and a 2.20 rear tire. that is a 2.34 rollout.

now if I put new tires on which are 2.40 in size I would have to drop 3 teeth to equal the rollout.

to make it simple as the tires change so does the gear. once you find the rollout that a motor likes you should change the gear to keep that rollout.

rollout is pinion * tire dia * 3.14 divided by spur

these are the oval rules

19T Modified Class Rules (Oval Racing only)

5-65: 19-turn modified oval motors shall be based upon any ROAR approved modified motor
combination (arm and can) with an armature wound with 19 turns of 19 AWG round wire per pole.
Components from different approved combinations may not be mixed.
Quad magnet set-ups are permitted.
Any brush type is allowed.
Both drill-balanced and epoxy-balanced armatures are permitted.
A maximum of 36 degrees of timing is allowed.

5-66: Armatures may be hand or machine wound, and must bear a mark or tab identifying the armature
and winder. Example: NAME 19X1, NAME 19T. Marks may include etching or engraving on the
armature stacks, and/or tags epoxied between the stack spacing and must be permanent, as to see
any tampering. If it is found that these markings/tabs/tags are not legible, or tampered with, the
armatures may be deemed illegal.

5-67: Commutator slots must be aligned with the center of the individual poles.

5-68: Suggested retail price for a complete motor shall not exceed $65. Armature may not exceed
a suggest retail price of $30. Can and endbell combination may not exceed a suggested retail
price of $30.

It is my understanding that arcor rules do not allow p 94 brushes or laydowns. but the roar rule underlined above says that you can run the p 94 brushes but only if the motor is approved that way. meaning that you can't put p 94 brushes on a C2 or you can't put laydown brushes on a D5 can.

I am looking into it more to come!!

OK here is what I found
5-65 19-Turn modified oval motors shall be based upon any ROAR approved modified motor combination (arm and can) with an armature wound with 19 turns of 19-AWG wire per pole.

Components from different combinations may not be mixed.
Quad magnet set-ups are permitted
Any brush type is allowed
Both drill-balanced and epoxy-balanced armatures are permitted
A maximum of 36 degrees of timing is allowed.

So if any brush type is allowed can we change hoods. Not to try to complicate things but I think we need to decide for the next series so there is no confusion

so far this is what I have found. it was posted buy Kenny B he is the roar oval guru.

Now 19-turn....P94's were allowed due to the fact that we as ROAR miscommunicated with the racers. There was no "one" voice from ROAR discussing brushes with those drivers asking the question and not only adding insult to injury was the confusion with those replying on the difference between 19-turn mod for oval and 19-turn stock for the rest of ROAR and no formal website rule clarification. To resolve the issue early on the event, I called a 19-turn driver's meeting shortley after I arrived Friday (quals started Saturday) to discuss what everybody understood and interpreted the rules as. As a result, the P94's were allowed based upon the rule book as printed. All drivers were given a chance to react and further prepare for the race. Now I realize some just had setups of standard standup only...but again a clear interpreation of the rule book and no published rule clarifications on the ROAR website.

so what he is saying is they allowed it for that race but have since changed the rule

*%&*#^%&#^%*#*%(^#(^%(#@^ I think its a load but I guess we will decide what we want to do and do it.......

I'll ask roar the question and post the answer.

Off the cuff answer: you run the motor as it was manufacturered. By the way the ultrabird motor is not reconized by arcor as a legal motor. Although that has nothing to do with a ROAR question I thought I'd bring that up.The answer is why it's not legal in that organization is "it was never submitted for approval by Triniy".
Basically if it's an adjustable 19 turn motor it is legal. But it's also not a cheat proof motor.You can use both however (fixed and adjustable) in racing. You can ask Kenny B what they were doing at the snowbirds.
The fixed timing motor is the ONLY motor you can use in On-Road racing(Touring,1/12th).It is the same for Off-road- fixed timing.

Does the ARCOR rules allow lay down brushes? The rule book seems to say not. Do ROAR rules trump ARCOR? I'm confused.

Good Question Shawn Me Too??

ARCOR does not allow lay down brushes in 19t

3. Brush’s and brush hoods will be STANDUP brushes only. "L" cut and/or timed brushes will not be allowed. Modifications to the brushes to imitate and/or act as a laydown brush will not be alllowed.

Aren't the C2s laydown?

No laydown brushes on adjustable endbell motors. Laydown brushes on 24 degree locked timing only.

Come'on guys you should'nt be changing the motor in any way. run it the way it was bought and you want have to worry if your cheating or not.

IMO.... Changing the motor from the way it was bought is cheating

Good Luck.

i agree go with a set of rules the ARCOR rules are the best i have seen on the 19t the roar rules are a joke.

Well said use arcor guide lines for 19t and roar for track rules

The Ultra-Bird is not approved by Arcor though. Can I run this tomorrow if I come?

[QUOTE=David Butts]In all seriousness. The C2 style motors up until last week were all that were supposed to be run in the points series races or any races run at HW but the racers voted to open it up to basically any 19t motor that meets roar/arcor rules so bring on those ultrabirds. We aint skeered of no epoxy. The next series starts next week so any 19t motor can be run and this friday night will be a great warmup event.