The conference is all oval.

:confused: Does 1/10th of an oz. or 2/10th of an oz. matter in oval ?? :freak: ( just the axle ) :thumbsup: How many oz. is your axle?? With gear, hubs, diff rings, diff balls, 10 screws and one small spacer!! ( full diff no tires )

:confused: Does 1/10th of an oz. or 2/10th of an oz. matter in oval ?? :freak: ( just the axle ) :thumbsup: How many oz. is your axle?? With gear, hubs, diff rings, diff balls, 10 screws and one small spacer!! ( full diff no tires )John- IMO,only if you're very "hypercritical" about weight (overall car and/or front vs rear). Good question,though. I'll have to measure mine @ lunch. I'll let you know.
-George

New92, 19t is not for the beginner. The car starts to fly apart upon impact at those speeds. Ask Rob about that. Get quick in four-cell stock or Pro-Spec and then move up.

I would think the rear axle weight would be affected more by the tire size than anything. The more weight you shave off the less rotational mass, the quicker spool time, the faster you'll be. Lighter axle = $. Currently I'm running my rears down to the hubs and my car keeps getting faster. I'm running the biggest gear I've ever run as well, 39/120. I've got the yellow fiberglass axle and what ever hubs the L3 came with when I bought it off of Dan last year. Next time I have it off I'll weigh it.

One way to lighten the rotation mass on the rear axel is to use the drill jig from niftech. You can drill a 9 hole pattern on both the right rear hub and on the axel hub itself. That one way I know of are there any others?

...19t is not for the beginner.
What not for a beginner??? Oval??? Please...19t for touring may not but oval???? Come on...Let's see you oval pull trigger, let off trigger a little, turn left, pull trigger, let off trigger a little, turn left pull trigger. Sounds toooo simple too me. :jest:

Anyone wanting to run 19t for their first oval race go ahead and run. It's not that fast :lol:

.......19t is not for the beginner. . .Ha! That's where I got my start 5 yrs ago! I had bought an L3 when they first came out from CPT. I built it in 2 days because I was home from work early & very bored sitting at home. (Hurricane Floyd) Then I found out that 19t was the only class I could run it in. I originally wanted to run w/the Spec guys 'cause they had the cool NASCAR paint jobs,but this is before "Pro-Spec",so I ran in 19t (Chameleon 1 motor/2000-2400mAh era) for a couple of years.

Besides,following the fast guys makes you work harder on your driving & setup! (Right,J. Pilgrim? LMAO!) If ya decide that this is the class you want to race in,work hard,ask a s**tload of Q's & practice a lot. It'll pay off in the end!
-George

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Joe :dude:

Ok, that's fair. Let me rephrase it then, 19t is not for the beginner on a budget since you'll be replacing parts faster than the store can restock them for you. lol ;)

Thanks Joe for the public service announcement. What class you runnin next series anyway???? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's time to pack up and and race...see you all there :wave:

Branford RC Speedway will be running a night race Saturday, June 5th. Starts at 6:00 P.M. Nascar 4 cell stock,Nastruck 4 cell stock,3 or more drivers makes a class. Hope to see ya there http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/wave.gif

Maybe I am lost but I had some 3 wide fun once or 2wice in 4 cell stock Friday night,where is everyone? Am I at the right thread? Kevin

Kevin's RC Oval Site/Branford RC Speedway (http://www.kevinsrc.tk)

Cool...can you say NASTRUCK...this one is coming how about the rest of you guys...it's time to go back to Bradford

Maybe I am lost but I had some 3 wide fun once or 2wice in 4 cell stock Friday night,where is everyone? Am I at the right thread? Kevin


Kevin I had alot of fun Friday too and also thought this thread was broke

Had a great time friday another first for me last race I got my first 31 lap race then on the 2nd qual I got my 1st 32 lap race then this week I tq. man it felt good just wish I could have stayed out of trouble in the main :mad: oh well. watch out next week :tongue:

I just wish I knew how you guys are making those spec motors work like that. Everyone is just blowing by me hehehe

actualy rcgen thats the only motor I have that will do it you notice in the 1st qual I was slow 7.8 7.7s cause I was trying to save the motor for later. the com is almost gone. that motor gives me 7.2s 7.3sbut I think I was over geared cause it was slowing down there at the end.

Its all about corner speed Eugene. Freeing the car up so that you don't slow down in the corner. I don't think there is anything special about my motor. The motor I let you use one night is comprable to the one I'm using and broke track record with.

Oh yea, I had a blast Friday night as well. My 2nd qual I had my "cross brace" (don't know the right term for it), connects from one A-arm to the other. It came loose and fell into the right wheel causing me to pull to the right. I had to pull it. Since that happened I wasn't able to see if my tweak was correct so when it came to the Main I was too loose but I was lucky in that Stoney broke and I didn't get in too bad of a wreck. Me and George are really really close now in points, if not tied. Can't wait to this Friday, its coming down to the last race, as it did last series with Joe Mamma. The pressure is on yet again.

Hey Shawn check your receiver...there was an antenae tube with the antennae in it left at the track after our race

not mine ;) I already e-mailed George about it. Thanks.

Points standings are up.
A huge thanks and much appreciation goes to George for making the points standings every week. It takes a lot to sit there and make sure everyone's points are correct and email them over to me. If you are enjoying seeing the points up there, give him a pat on the back for making it happen. Strong work George!

Shawn

Kevin I had alot of fun Friday too and also thought this thread was broke


Howdy everyone. My computer took a major dump last thursday so I have been MIA until now. I borrowed my daughters boyfriends laptop and my god is it slow.Oh well I'll be without a few more days so the quiet will be over soon. Oh yeah, How about that sliding sideways finish in stock friday night. Losing that way really blows but losing that way by .01 seconds blows worse.

I thought it was a tie? How did you guys resolve it?? I saw the 102 for P.

And one more question. We've opened 19t up to any 19t motor? I like change, and I'm excited about going up to 19t to battle with the Dave Twins and the "big dogs". I'm still pretty green on the whole rules etc, will you guys clear it up for me here on the thread or point me in the right direction so I can read it. I will post it on the hobby world website.

What exactly is legal and what isn't? Is there a 19t motor out there that is illegal and who will be checking for them for this coming series. It sounds like its going to be even harder to tech, not that we are doing that anyway. I would like to see real teching for this next series. John Hart, are you going we ever going to see some type of teching at our races? When i first came to the track two years ago I saw a little of it. I think it can send the wrong message to the newbies who get lapped by three and four times (me this next series in 19t) ;)

Website: have a brief summary of the Oval points races.

Shawn

I dont mind teching the cars but it is hard to tech car and anounce races. If I could get a differnt person in each class to help each week they could check the class before theres and drivers would have to leave the cars at the drivers stand untill they have been teched. ( Without bitching... ) It can be done but I can not do it by myself it will take some effort from fellow racers. I did it by myself for sometime but drivers want to hear there lap times while the race is running. The 19t class is going to be A little harder, with the opening up 19t but not imposible. As soon as we can I will have another drivers meeting and hopfuly have a sample of each motor that we can run so everone will be updated on the rules. We still have 4 weeks before the new series starts and with everones help I think we can get the class and rules worked out as long as the driver will help me in a good way no crazy crap. I know that Phil, Joe, and others will help so that I can make it as fun and fair as possible. Please bear with me until we can get things together and if you want to Pm about it you can. You know I will try to take all good ideas to the drivers but please no off the wall stuff.
Thanks guys,
John :wave:
P.S. I know I suck at spelling there will be no need to remind me, Thanks

these are the ROAR rules for touning car for 2004

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REBUILDABLE 19T “Super Stock” MOTORS (for all electric except Oval Classes)
5-48: Motors submitted for approval as rebuildable 19T “Super Stock” motors must have the
manufacturer’s name in the form of “XXXX 19” (e.g. EPIC 19, YOK 19, etc.) permanently stamped
into the mounting face of the motor can. “XXXX 19” designates the use of the can for 19T “Super
Stock” class racing. The manufacturer name on the can will make hybrid motors easy to identify.
Any deliberate violation of this rule will be cause to remove all motors of that manufacturer from
the approved motor list for a minimum of one year. All motors submitted for approval shall be
freely commercially available at a retail price of less than $50.

5-49: All ROAR rebuildable 19T “Super Stock” motors may be either bearing- or bushing-type
with an endbell that locks the timing at 24 degrees. The space between the magnets must be
centered on one set of mounting holes, which will be marked on one side of the can to indicate
zero degrees. The brush hoods will be aligned at 90 degrees from this mark, plus up to 24
degrees of timing. Only single piece (2 magnets in a can) ceramic magnets are allowed. No Rare
Earth or Cobalt magnets permitted. The center of each magnet must be 90 degrees from the 0
degree timing mark on the can. Offsetting magnets with the intent of increasing motor
performance/timing is not allowed. Any deliberate violation of this rule will be cause to remove all
motors of that manufacturer from the approved motor list for a minimum of one year.

5-50: Endbell and can must be designed with a method of locking the timing at 24 degrees. This
feature is in addition to any method which secures the endbell to the can (e.g., screws running
through the side of the can). The endbell must incorporate a molded tab that keys into a slot on
the can — locking the timing at 24 degrees. Endbell timing may only be set at 24 degrees. Extra
locking devices (e.g., extra notches in the motor can that allow timing to be changed to 36
degrees or 5 degrees) are not allowed.

5-51: Endbell may have inspection/cooling holes on each side between the negative and positive
terminals. These holes would facilitate inspection of commutator tabs. Endbells must be marked
with manufacturer’s name.
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5-52: The brush configuration can be of any type as long as that configuration appears on a
ROAR approved modified or stock motor.

5-53: Motor can must have inspection holes/slots between magnet tips so that the armature may
be viewed for inspection of armature tag (see 5-57). These holes/slots may be no closer than
.220” from the top or bottom edge of the motor can. View through inspection holes/slots must not
be obstructed by anything covering the holes/slots (e.g. motor label).

5-54: Magnets must be permanently glued to the motor can and may not be removed. No magnet
shims are allowed (e.g., an extra shim that could be added on the end of the magnet or between
the tips to change performance). Flux collector/timing rings are allowed as long as their only
purpose is to secure the endbell to the motor can.

5-55: Rebuildable 19T “Super Stock” motor armatures must be machine-wound using a cross
wrap technique. The legal 19T “Super Stock” wind is a minimum of 1170mm of round 19 AWG
(American Wire Gauge) wire, having a maximum wire diameter (including insulation) of .914mm,
resulting in no less than 19 continuous turns of wire on each pole. There is no tolerance on the
minimum length of wire, nor is there a plus tolerance allowed on the wire diameter.

5-56: Tabs on the armature’s commutator may only be “compression welded”. No after-market
welding or silver brazing will be permitted. All Commutators must be locked to the armature
laminations to prevent timing changes.

5-57: Commutator slots must be aligned with the center of the individual poles. Full stack
armatures made only of magnetizable material. No modifications to the stacks will be allowed
other than the normal drill balance holes. Any modifications to the original OEM
Importer/Manufacturer configurations, including but not limited to, excessive drill
holes/milling/turning to lighten and/or enhance the performance from that of the full stack will not
be allowed. No linear separations of the stack segments will be allowed.

5-58: No split, skewed or tri-rotor armatures will be allowed. Minimum armature stack length is
21.3 mm. Vertical slots will not be allowed on any armature manufactured by the original OEM
Importer after January 1, 2002. Vertical slots on all armatures manufactured prior to January 1,
2002 will not be modified from the original configuration as manufactured by the original OEM
Importer. At no time will any material be removed from the armature, whether hidden or visible,
except those from normal balance holes.

5-59: The crowns on armature pole segments must be symmetrical with a constant radius. They
may not have any steps on them or longitudinal holes through them.

5-60: Armature must be tagged in a way that it is easy to identify both in and out of the motor. The
tag must be permanently affixed to the armature and made of materials that will not self destruct
from the heat of the motor or standard motor cleaning agents. The tag should be positioned
between two poles of the armature and must be a minimum of .500” in length. The tag must be
printed with the OEM manufacturer’s name and “19” (e.g., “EPIC 19”, “YOK 19”, etc.).

5-61: Armature shaft must extend .125” beyond the endbell bushing when motor is assembled.
The overall length of the armature shaft should be 2.775” with .385” extending beyond the end of
the commutator. The commutator end of armature shaft must have a machined “step” that differs
from the standard radius or taper currently used by OEM manufacturers in production of other
stock or modified motors. The step should continue for a minimum of .060” from the end of the
shaft.

5-62: No modifications to the physical construction of the motor can, endbell, or armature will be
permitted (e.g. adding or removing material from the armature stack, changing the brush hoods
from the original manufacturer’s configuration, relocating spring posts). If a motor shows signs of
tampering during post race inspection, the driver will receive no score for that qual or main.

5-63: Epoxy balancing of armatures for rebuildable 19T “Super Stock” motors will not be
permitted. No more than 2 holes on any 2 poles of the armature are allowed, i.e. no more than
one hole on the third pole.

5-64: The armature, motor can, and endbell of a rebuildable 19T “Super Stock” motor must all be
from the same motor manufacturer and can contain only components from the same model. No
hybrid motors or mixing of parts from different models will be permitted.

these are the oval rules

19T Modified Class Rules (Oval Racing only)

5-65: 19-turn modified oval motors shall be based upon any ROAR approved modified motor
combination (arm and can) with an armature wound with 19 turns of 19 AWG round wire per pole.
Components from different approved combinations may not be mixed.
Quad magnet set-ups are permitted.
Any brush type is allowed.
Both drill-balanced and epoxy-balanced armatures are permitted.
A maximum of 36 degrees of timing is allowed.

5-66: Armatures may be hand or machine wound, and must bear a mark or tab identifying the armature
and winder. Example: NAME 19X1, NAME 19T. Marks may include etching or engraving on the
armature stacks, and/or tags epoxied between the stack spacing and must be permanent, as to see
any tampering. If it is found that these markings/tabs/tags are not legible, or tampered with, the
armatures may be deemed illegal.

5-67: Commutator slots must be aligned with the center of the individual poles.

5-68: Suggested retail price for a complete motor shall not exceed $65. Armature may not exceed
a suggest retail price of $30. Can and endbell combination may not exceed a suggested retail
price of $30.

Thanks Dave p!! ;)

I think it would be easier to just follow these rules. so that way we don't have special HW only ones

these are the ROAR approved mod motors that you can put a 19T arm in. keep in mind that a epic 19t arm must go in a epic can and a yokomo 19t arm in a yokomo can.


to make it simple if you own a c2 you can buy a D5 mod motor and put the c2 arm in it if you want to.

i couldn't paste it right so follow this link

http://www.roarracing.com/products/smotor.htm

I thought it was a tie? How did you guys resolve it?? I saw the 102 for P.........
ShawnShawn- It initially was a tie. Butt(tm) the "Dave & Dave Show" photo-finish was decided on the 1/1000ths of a second. The Computer screen only gives the total race times up to 1/100ths,until you hit the "Print" key. Butt(tm) in case of a tie,now the computer decides by figuring out the time in the 1/1000ths/sec. Actually the computer thinks in 1/1000ths all the time,but you don't see it.
EXAMPLE:
Dave P & Dave Butts both cross the line w/a time of 4:00.51,or 240.5 seconds. The comp screen shows this,too. Butt(tm) because they both cross at the same time at 240.5 seconds,the comp now looks at both cars time down to the 1/1000ths & rounds up. Thus,Dave P came out as the actual winner by 1/1000ths/sec & shows Dave Butts' time as 4:00.52. Take 240.5 & divide by 60 (=4.00888) and you'll see how close the finish actually was!
Also,lap times are calculated this way,too,but in 1/100ths.

Watch a close race finish,either in horses/dogs,the Olympics,a NASCAR race (Ricky Craven's 2003 Darlington finish or Kevin Harvick's 2001 Atlanta finish comes to mind),or any other race & look at the times,especially in the 1/1000ths.
-George

The 19t rules will be easy to follow as long as we have some type of tech to prevent anyone to stretch the rules and take a unfair advantage.

yeah a good tech area would be good , since i hear that deo guy is a cheater..:p ,

Na seriously a good tech guy that knows what hes looking at and for would be something to look into which it looks like Johns got some kinda plans for something like that.


BIGDON

Thanks Dave P.

George, I sure wish i could have stayed to watch the stock race, it would have been nice to get it on film too to add to the close end. Does that lock up the first place plaque for P? Its gonna be close in all the oval classes.

Shawn

BUTTS(TM),whats up hey phil sent u a pm 3 weeks ago no response what up with that????

Looks like DaveP locked it up by one TQ. For Butts (tm) to win, he will need to TQ and win the main and DaveP would have to finish at least fourth. If DaveP finishes third in the main, the series would be tied at 502 a piece. If DaveP finishes second he wins the series.

For all this to happen BUTTS(tm) has to TQ and win the main. No pressure right. Isn't this exciting!!!

Which race will you guys be watching??? Can a spoiler come in and race and ruin Butts(tm) chances? Come on Friday...

Here is the new 4 cell stock entry. I will be running both fri. just to finish touring for the series. Next points I will just run 4 cell stock. I hope I don't give either Dave's a headache.. lol :thumbsup:

The 19t rules will be easy to follow as long as we have some type of tech to prevent anyone to stretch the rules and take a unfair advantage.
if you look at the new rules it is going to be pretty hard to cheat. why are you guys so worried about teching motors?


I would like to see the cars be teched better. weighing the cars and checking wing sizes and bodies. that is where you can pick up a bunch.


I would count butts (tm) out just yet!!!!!!!!

I am selling my TC3 here is the link

http://www.hobbytalk.com/swap/showproduct.php?product=229&sort=1&cat=6&page=1

touring nerd gone oval for good uh oh skull boy

No way Tim I just am going to sell this car and take a look aroung before buying another one .

Dave P. if you need me to take some pics 4 the sell and swap let me know.

i guess iu better buy an oval car.does anyone have one for sale?.....bear

[QUOTE=xpss]i guess iu better buy an oval car.does anyone have one for sale?.....bear[/QUOTE
Touring is getting smaller by the min.lol I am only running oval in the next point series then back to lefts and rights. :tongue:

Do I dare ask who will be running touring w/me? Or should I go ahead and stick with oval only. I did have fun running the main in legends...maybe I'll race against my son and we can hit each other :lol:

Oh is anyone interested in running a Nastruck class? Only heard talk about it. That would be great class for those guy from touring (hint hint) you will only have to invest in a truck body for those who already have a pan chassis.

Or better yet, ever heard of touring oval hehehe

I'll be running touring stock when the new series begins.

Now that I have two TC chassis, I'd like to see us run touring oval at HW. Would that be a 6 cell 19T or 6 cell stock? Do you still run 4wd in touring oval or do drivers turn their TC into a 2wd?

i guess iu better buy an oval car.does anyone have one for sale?.....bear
Bear I am going to sell my KGB Assassin ready to run with radio. I will have it at the track Friday.

Oh is anyone interested in running a Nastruck class?
I am interested and will have a truck at the track on Friday. I think Kevin will have a truck also, three to make a class.....................

Cool count me in for Nastruck this Friday

guys lets not start anymore classes don't you think that we are there late enough on friday night??

maybe we should just cancel the touring classes :wave: .


Just kidding.