We'll be leaving around 4:00pm

hey if anyone is looking for a tire truer we will be stocking one come wednesday its a hudy and it will be low priced

Chris,
let me know when you get your losi truck bodies in

Brent

tony love to go but cant get off till five

Tony thinking about going with you Friday got a few question, do they have a truck class? You had said that it was a modified class, if so you got a motor I can use, whoses all riding togather are you taking the trailer, what time do you think that we might get back to t-town? Just a few question Tony.

Michael

brent im expecting them tomorrow

What are ya'll racing in T-town this weekend.
TB

They run mod truck. yes I have a motor to use. Bobby and I are riding together and no trailer. Mark white is going and I'll ask if anyone is riding with him today.

Tony

Alright Tony just let me know.

The dirt this weekend

mclake and everyone else... Just a few notes on the Meridian MOD truck class...

It is modified motors but the truck needs to be stock. If the part came with a Losi tag on it for a Losi trunk, it's OK. If you've got aluminum arms from AisaTees that ain't OK. Same for Associated or any other make.

The Novak Brushless is encouraged but a good 19 turn in a well set up truck is VERY competative. Some run 14 or 12 turn motors but that seems to be hard to manage and run well all night. Gearing is critical. The Novak really makes this a ZERO mantanace class. I mostly run gas but for the effort of charging two battery packs, I can run e-truck.

The stock rear body spoiler is allowed but no side dams or roof wings like the gas class. They are not needed if your truck is setup fairly well and a big wing only adds to the cost and hastle factor.

ROAR TRUCK tires only. No foam or buggy tires.

ROAR 6 cell batteries.

Modifying stock parts in NOT approved. i.e. lightening the stock XXX-T chassis with a Dremel or drilling new shock mounting holes is not approved.

The above sounds threatening and it's not ment to be. Just trying to ward off any hard feelings. The class is ment to be a drivers class for anyone with a truck in the closet. I run a bone stock Matt Fransis (including shock oil and pistons) with a Novak brushless. I bring 2 battery packs and alternate them and really have a ball. Good close racing with minimal thrash factor. Broken parts are on the wall at the LHS.

Sometimes it happens that there is a part on a truck that is a known weak point and a cost effective after-market piece doesn't add too much to the cost and makes the truck more reliable. Those would be considered OK. An example might be the nylon diff gear in the stock XXX-NT. They don't hold up well at all and are a royal pain to change. For about $20 you can add a Robinson Racing alloy gear and never buy another one. That type stuff. There is no list of approved after market parts (yet) for the E-truck class and none has been needed.

Another example... If you have a Associated truck bring STOCK ASSOCIATED TRUCK shocks. You can change pistons, oil and springs but they need to be ASSOCIATED TRUCK springs and pistions. Don't try and run Mugen TC shocks on the front and Losi buggy shocks on the rear. It doesn't help bring new folks to the track.

One other note... It has happened in the past that someone shows up with an after market piece on the truck and wants to race. Trinity hub carriers come to mind. If the part is difficult to change and does not offer a competitive advantage it will probably be OK. The truck police are not going to ask you to leave. Bling screw sets are another example. If however the piece offeres a competitive advantage it will have to be swapped out for the stock piece(s).

Again, not trying to ruin anyones day... just the opposite. If you've got a truck bring it and put it on the track. If you've got a question ask:-)

Bill Vail

But AE has not released their Factory Team truck yet, so is threaded shocks legal. Are titanium turnbuckles legal are graphite arms, shock towers and chassis's legal. All parts are available but not as a kit. So if you can run them on a LOSI can I upgrade my AE truck to the same parts that are on your truck. :cool:

b4wizard I would think that if you can get these items from associated it would be legal,if they are made for that vehicle. For it is not a class of RTR. What would be the difference for a T-3 factory team has all those parts but the threaded shock's.

Bill,
I can't get over the fact that you call a Matt Francis XXX-T, a bone stock truck. Matt himself doesn't run a truck with stiffezel chassis. It has everything on it he thinks it takes to win.

Slider, Since the threaded shocks was not a option when new on a T3, I don't know if your truck would be legal with them.

This is why I like the buggy class. If you by parts to make it better and a person just likes them, thats cool. I don't prefer some of the alum. parts but some I do.

hey brent the body came in just letting you know

Tommy,

We've had this discussion before and it's always a good one.

The practice of releasing FACTORY upgrade parts before the factory KIT is the industry standard. It is more profitable for the manufaturers to sell you a down graded kit and then sell you the "upgrade" parts. Once the kit is out for awhile the "pre-upgraded" kits are then released. I would not ask someone to continue to buy "lesser" (opinion) parts that will soon be released in a "fatory" "team" "worlds"... kit.

Sooo... the short answer, and this is what I put out in the first post, is that if it has an Associated tag on it and it is made for the car you are running, yes you can use it. If you are asking if you can run a XXX-T tranmission in your T-3 the answer is no. Can you use Losi stiffezel parts on your Losi RTR? Sure! They are LOSI XXX parts for a LOSI XXX truck all of which can be bought from the LHS. Can you make a hybrid XX chassis and XXX arms and transmission. NO! That is NOT the chassis for the truck you are running. Can you run a stock XX-T sure. We'd love to see folks bring out a low use tuck and run it. Yes you can run Associated theaded buggy shock bodies on your Associated buggy... even though they are not out in a kit yet.

I'm glad you asked about the Ti turnbuckles. They are an item that falls into the simple, cheep, reliable, readily available, catagory of "upgrades" and it would not make since to require someone to continue to buy the sometimes stock steel part. Ti doesn't really make the car go faster or any more reliable and a Lundsford turnbuckle kit comes with many car kits anyway. Further, most if not all LHS's carry a Lundsford turnbuckle kits for the cars they sell. I know in Meridian it's easier to get one Ti turnbuckle at the track than it is to get a steel one.

How could you NOT consider my Matt Fransis KIT bone stock? I opened the box and put the pieces together. Not a part on my truck that didn't come from the box; however, it would be leagal to take a XXX-T NON-stifzel chassis and put it on the Matt Fransis truck. See above.

To be clear... I also like my bling... you've seen my other toys... but that is not what THIS class is about. Bring your stock truck and a good motor and you can be on the lead lap. If you've got a well set-up, stock, T-3/4 or XXX-T you've got what the winner has. I'll make sure of it. I can't fix your driving or setup thought.:-)))

One last thing. I'm not saying this is the right formula for buggies or gas truck. A good stock motor is about 65 watts. A bushless/mod setup is about 200 watts and a good gas .12 is around 1200(!) watts (one HP is about 750 watts). I would not suggest that the buggies go to this formula. They are very much lighter and run at lower power rateings. Winning is VERY tough and we don't need another STOCK chassis class. Like I said, I like my bling also. The gas trucks are VERY hard on parts and upgrades may be required to keep them running.... along with a big wing. I'd like to say that in Meridian we have a fairly open stock motor/buggy class. A fairly stock gas truck class with wings and .12/.15PS and a stock chassis mod motor truck class. That should be something for everyone. I hope the E-truck class with a brushless motor is easy enough to run that folks can run buggy or gas truck + E-truck. I have no idea what the "Maxx" class is all about. I'm going to put R/C gear in a Honda 450 Quad runner and enter.:-)

Bill Vail

Hey Tony, Scott and I are going to ride togather Friday night, I belive that he is going to give you all maybe. See you later.

Michael

Michael,

you're going to enjoy the track at Meridian, i would like to go but have to
work late

Chris,

i've got your message, i'll see you soon

Bill,
I noticed you specifically said .12/.15PS. When I know there are people running .15 Sirios and .12 Turbos. So whats to be the limit on those engines.
It's pretty much thrown the rule book out the window in this class. I mean why would someone want to race a RTR against these people thinking they have a chance if everyone runs well.
I think the STOCK BUGGY class has gotten so close that anyone could win. Last Friday everyone ran 6.6-7.0 lap times. And in the Main it was won by less than .2 of a second.
I know your not a fan of the little motors, but I don't have dynos trick batteries or a bunch of Trinity parts. Someone else has all that stuff.(PD)
I was as fast as he the last time out.
And besides CC motor came off LHS wall and its very fast. I wanted to say he was not legal, but he is.(i hope, by the can anyway)

I noticed you specifically said .12/.15PS. When I know there are people running .15 Sirios and .12 Turbos. So whats to be the limit on those engines
Err... Everyone that runs a non RTR engine runs a non-ROAR legal engine. Who runs a Sirio .15? Not Ryan, me, PD or Lamar... CC?

It's pretty much thrown the rule book out the window in this class. I mean why would someone want to race a RTR against these people thinking they have a chance if everyone runs well.
The "if" is what gas is ALL about. I do fairly well each week and I have ONE goal in mind. Be running at the end. You, Todd, Buddy and a few otthers have won a lot of races with Losi RTRs by just racing for 5 min. Nothing more. I think it's also why we tollerate some "cheating" with non ROAR motors. That is, more power in gas may be a disadvantage(!) and turbo motors are only $20 more anyway. Turbos are more effecient at making power and I find I don't have to lean on them as hard as a RTR motor to go fast. I guess the question is does a turbo motor hurt the racing? I don't understand ROARs 3 port non-turbo rule and apparently no does anyone else. We could go to 3 port/non-turbo .08 or .049s but you would have to lean on the skinny little SOBs so hard they wouldn't last. You could shoehorn a .21 in a LosI XXX-NT but at 1200 watts(!) for a .12 there is more than enough power for ANY conditions. I don't think gas is won with motor HP. Don't tell anyone though... It's my stratagy for winning.;) One other point, and we've also talked about this before, there is no ROAR rule book for dirt oval gas truck. Right?

Everything you said about the buggies is true. It's a very tough class to win. Chassis, motors and batteries are all so close now that, like mod truck, winning often comes down to driving and setup. The only reason I don't run buggy more often is that I've cut too many comm's in my life. Really I'd like to call the E-Truck class the "Brushless truck" class but so many people have a mod motor and so few people have a spare $240 for a Novak setup that we allow mod brushed motors. I like buggy racing and I do have a XXX-B but I run gas and the Truck/Brushless really is ZERO maintanance. Look at it this way... if you were me and holding a gas truck, brushless truck and a XXX-B and wanted to run gas+ something which would you run? It's too easy for me to toss the E-Truck in the car with 2 battery packs. Most times I don't bring spare tires/pinions/spare brushess/shock springs.... Just one truck and 2 batteries. The end. If that isn't enough to win then so be it but it's enough to be on the lead lap. In buggy I find that the serations are gone on the brushes before the mains and my motor has gone soft. The thing doesn't run competatively for one full night! I don't like getting up Saturday morning and HAVE to do maintenance on my stuff especially when I HAD to do maintenance on it before the mains. I'm not bashing buggy.. Just explaining why I don't run buggy more and why I feel the e-truck class needs a different racing formula. In short, we don't need the e-truck to be just another buggy class with long arms and big tires.

Bill Vail

The last time I was over there I brought a buggy and radio. I ran 1 battery and motor all night. that included practice. I turned 6.6's and did 35 laps all night.



Tony

I've run the same motor for the last month and a half with no signs of it getting week. I have however keep the com in good shape though. But you are only talking about something that takes 10 min. to do. I usually get two full nights of racing out of my brushes. They are not wore out when I change them then.
I've had gas before and just really didn't care for the mess or the noise. It seems that class is for the newcomers as they just want to go fast and hear the noise.

weather permitting is any one running nitro monster trunks

if there are three they will probably be a class

Well T-town, my stuff is still packed and I am patiently waiting for the sunrise of a bright sunny day. I asked a couple of the guys if they wanted to make the trip and they was obligated to do other things(bummer), so if the weather holds out, I plan on making the trip solo.
If anything should change, hope someone posts it. I plan on leaving home between 2:00-2:30.

I'll let you know Tommy.

how bout it pearce how have you been im coming to race soon see ya

Still just trying to keep my head above water. I don't post alot, just look at what everyone else is stirring up!!

Pearce Dickson

I'm going to the track around 11:30 to do the dirt and then go home. If it don't rain we will race. I should be back at the track around 3ish. Tommy we are going to try and race but use your own judgement. I think several are coming over next weekend to race with ya'll.

NOOOO RRRRAAAAIIINNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tony

It looks like it's starting to break up here, and the radar looks ok right now. So at the worst, I'll just be on a joy ride. So I'll see you in a bit.
Tommy

The weather looks above us and below us. The track is done. I'll see everyone around 3.

Tony

hope everyone has fun on the dirt . tuning motors today, got my new dyno(didnt realize how crummy my motors were)

Hey Tony,
Was the outside of the track muddy or anything?

What's the track record for stock buggy-full body?

Well Tony, that was a nice little ride. I'm glad I came over to visit. The one pack I got to practice with, I got the feeling that I needed more torque. I may have to make a visit to the LHS to get a motor. Just feel like the corners are sharper than they are here. But it's just a feel thing. I wish we could have raced to see where I was at with motors and lap times. I do like the track though. It was loose and I like'm loose.
Like the "Termanator" said, I'll be bock. :jest:

Soon.

Yes the outside was a mess also. I'm sorry for a few of my comments. 3 hours of sweatting your a$$ off on a track and then rain,it sucked. But as it was raining I had a ball watching Bill slide in the water in the middle of the concrete track. Tommy if I come over this coming weekend I'll bring drops. There is no track record for the new Dirt track. Its rained everytime we've raced since the new rules. 33 with rubbers is good though.

Well the Crete is next weekend and the winner of the Nascar class A-Main will receive a $25 Gift Certificate at MACHOBBIES. (I'm excluded from the certificate)

Tony

I was asked this weekend about a dirt oval truck body for the Dirt Oval Class. We will NOT use truck bodies in this class. We have a truck class (offroad rules but 4 min ) and this body is legal in it. This was stated at the meeting I held at MACHOBBIES also.

If you are fixing to get a body or something you aren't sure about please post it or call me(339-4950) before you buy.

Tony

Tony how many did you have there last night? Yall going to try to make it over to Mississippi next Friday?

well sorry i missed yall fellas but i watched the weather till 4:00 and knew it would hit us sorry tony

Dang Tony, if ya'll keep giving things like that away, I might have to buy an oval car and become a regular. Thing like that make it worth wild.

Are you going to try to do it for the dirt guys to.

Sounds like you guys got rained out again. I was coming, but one of my
men got hurt and I had to catch his calls. We had half the shop working
saturday on air conditioner calls. Was there any gas trucks that showed up?

GOT JUICE, what's the deal about the truck bodies? I just bought
a crowd pleaser for my xxxnt. Does this effect the gas truck class?

B.A.Sanders If it is a truck body there should be no problem. as long as it is not like the Nastruck body.

Racer9 you can run that body on your T-4.

B4 we will have a certificate run on the dirt next month. I'll post when later.

That body will be fine Sanders.

Tony
Hobby Raceway

So far I know of 3 wanting to go and race this Friday night. So if you want to go run on the fastest Dirt Oval in Sippi let me know or ya'll get up with each other and go with us.

Tony, Is the dirt oval truck body that I saw at your track legal. Or was that the one in question.

Or was he wanting to put it on a buggy.

I missed the meeting.lol

That was a McAllister dirt oval truck and he was wanting to run it on a Buggy.

Tony

Tony, I don't mean to start anything, but whats the difference if your running a full body with buggy's.

Isn't the name of the class buggy stock, electric stock, dirt oval stock or something like that.

b4wizard i won't get into the full body deal,But we have a truck class and that is what it is, a truck.not a buggy truck.That is why everyone was one the same page. it is a truck clearly defined. That is how we got all things so screwed up before .it didn't take long and looky here.we got buggy tires and wheels on truck.and the list went on.so if it looks like a truck it is going into the truck class.Some may get P.O at me for this but the rules were clearly put down.I was as guilty as the next. And im not trying to stirr nothing up. TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The first problem with a truck body in Dirt stock oval is some one will think it's a truck chassis which is wider. 2nd we have a truck class that runs offroad rules. If you have a truck you run it in truck with a truck body. If you have a buggy,kranel or sprintcar you run the nascar,wedge,east coast,buggy or sprint car bodies. I'm trying to keep it simple and have 2 classes. Really I'm being nice letting this body run in truck. It's not an offroad body but I'm trying to let the guys have a little different body. I can't make everyone happy but I will at least look at things and decide if it is good for the racing at the track.

The End

Tony