If you didn't see it on our website the race time has been changed to 12:40pm. Signup will still start at 11am.

See ya there tomorrow!

Full details here:
http://p203.ezboard.com/fcolumbiathunderfrm12.showMessage?topicID=78.topic

Kelly

:D WHOOPEE!


I can't believe it ... my LD3 didn't break today, it actually finished 3 races! :D :D

John -- I can't believe how FAST electric sedan is getting... And COMPETITIVE too!

Before today, I think I had the only official 34 lap run, and that was one time, two weeks ago... Today, Mitch and I both ran 34 in the second heat, and John was on the same pace before he had trouble... Then in the A-main, John took the win with 34, and I was second with 34 (only one second back!)... Dang!

But then there's the electric gearbox class... Two weeks ago, Jesse and I ran 30 laps in qualifying, today I ran 30 laps in the main, and got lapped TWICE by Jesse, who ran 32 laps twice today...!

WOW! NOW we're having FUN!

if you guys would slow down a bit i wouldnt have to get a sedan :D

Tom, it may have been your motor, but it is still JESSEFIED! hahaha

:)

We got some GREAT pictures at the Lowe's event, take a look! http://www.columbiathunder.org Go to the "Lowe's Safety Fair June 26th" Take special looks at pages 21, 22, and 23. Thanks to everyone that came out, what a deal!

Wow, Mitch that Monster looked a little messed up.

Man seeing you guys onroad makes me want a onroad car SO BAD but I know that it is only just this season. If I had a touring car to race or if I had one I would be out there in a heart beat guys. Hint, Hint, Wink, Wink, if anyone has a touring car that I could run I would use my own ele. and I would run it for u. Not saying you Tom. LOL If anyone has one that they wouldnt mind me using I would come up and run with you guys onroad. I just dont have the money to buy one at this time.

Dustin

Man seeing you guys onroad makes me want a onroad car SO BAD but I know that it is only just this season.

There are a lot of on-road folks and our intention all along has been to have an On-Road track at our Cosmo area too.

So go get that touring car you always wanted!

Kelly

Yeah Kelly I knew that but the thing is, how much longer is it going to be before we can get the land from Columbia or did we already, and if we did how much longer will it be after we get the dirt track because I was told that the dirt was comming before. I know I will be helping on the tracks but I was just wondering. If the track is not built (onroad) before next summer, are you planning on trying to find another place to run onroad at???
Just let me know because I am really wanting a onroad car again just because I am starting to get tired of running on the dirt. You know what I mean. If anyone has a onroad car that they are wanting to get rid of let me know.
If you guys say that we will have another track FOR SURE next year I will for sure get a onroad car. Let me know Kelly. THANKS

Dustin

We are close to getting our lease, we expect to have it in early to mid July. With that said there is still a lot to do before we can even start building out there. Most of that will depend on P&Rs part and also we have other levels of approval from the City of Columbia. We will continue out our season at Home Depo and go from there for next season.

A lot of the club are on-road racers and I personally would like to not innterupt the on-road season next year. That would mean starting off next year at Home Depo again until the Cosmo area is totally ready or we have the Cosmo area ready by then. There are just a lot of factors though that make it hard to know what the club as a whole will be doing that far off.

We'll keep everyone up to date as things develope. But that shouldn't stop you from getting a touring car, we have a lot of races left this season and its really good racing. Even the stadium and monster truck classes are a lot of fun and getting very competive.

Kelly

I know that Kelly, that is why I want a touring car so bad. I see that racing is very competive and fun. But when I get one I dont want to just get rid of it at the end of the season because of not being able to run it, but I want one so bad that I am probley going to get one anyways. LOL Thanks for bringing me up to date Kelly.

Dustin

Ok this is just my opnion and I will leave it at that. Being a member of CT I would love to see the on road track built first at cosmo. Here are my list of reasons.

1. We currently run the only on road racing in the area if I want to run dirt it is only a short drive to 4 or 5 diffrent tracks in the area.

2. Any r/c car can be driven on asphalt but you can't drive a touring car in the dirt.

3. With the onroad track we can still use the road rails that we bought and wont have to do anything but get the asphalt poured.

4. With the money we can bring in with the on road racing we can apply that to the fund for getting the dirt track built and built right the first time.

5. On road is alot more fun this year now that we have a good track.

Ok I am done with my reasons. Now go buy a touring car Dustin so I can beat you. :jest:

See I am with Eddie, we can go to jeff, harrisburg, st.louis, Kc, Novelty, and Chilli but we cant go anywhere else for onroad, but the thing that I want on the new onroad track is something where you arn't running 8 second laps. If I want to do that I can go to hallsville. I really can't say anything because I have never seen the CT track so I better shut up but I know how fast you are running and I have heard from a few people. On tracks like that you can't wreak what so ever and I know that is your falt and you shouldnt wreak but I want to know that I wont go a lap down just by wreaking once. I think if we make a onroad track I think we should a big, fast, but still challinging track. I know that sounds fun to design in all but I guess that is the fun. All in all I think Eddie is right and I am with you Eddie. AMEN BROTHER!!!! LOL Well enough with me. If we get this, I will most definatily have a onroad car. I just don't want to get a onroad car and not get to run it after the season.

Dustin

Okie Dokie -- I'll "jump in"...

I vote ONROAD for Columbia Thunder as the first formal track to be built... Similar reasons to those mentioned -- and even stronger... For example -- if onroad can remain strong, it's a monopoly -- never hurts... Also, a strong onroad can, as Eddie said, help finance doing a dirt track RIGHT the first time...

Not to criticize anyone, but I think it's a fairly widely held opinion that the Jeff City guys need better dirt, but they can't afford it right now... They did a great job of getting started, but they didn't have the money to do "everything"... They built a great driver's stand, bought a great AMB lap counting system (great to have lap counting fully automated), put up fencing, etc... The first year's track was OK, and the dirt was OK too, but to build the track up to "full size", they were not able to get the quality of dirt they wanted. So they have a state of the art facility with not so state of the art dirt... Overall a great deal, but if they had been able to finance top quality from the start, imagine how great it would be! (Imagine their facility with "Chillicothe quality" dirt! -- makes you drool!)...

Take full advantage of the GREAT situation you have, grow from that strength! :thumbsup:

OH, I also "vote" for Hallsville Wednesday Night!

id like to see on road first myself its a track for everyone besides i just bought a car :devil: COMING FOR EDDIE :D DUSTIN AND I WILL TAG TEAM YA :tongue:

Jesse -- The motor you had geared with the 22 pinion in your buggy at Home Depot... which one was it?

Jesse -- Those LOSI wheels may be 26mm wide... All the tires Bo has (at least all the Sorex's) are 24mm wide, and they won't fit the 26mm's....???

Who is this old man, and why is he wearing my shirt...? :D

http://www.columbiathunder.org/Pics/06-27-04_hd_Raceday/DSC03271.JPG

I dont know Tom but I think I would do something about it if I was you!!! LOL

Jesse-sure I will help you tag team after I get a car. LOL And this will be going on after I finish kicking my butt for paying for a entry fee that was $50. This is a good chance to go and get beat but at least I will see the pros and do my little poor kid face and get some FREE stuff. LOL I need to go because it is one of them "once and a life time chances". I dont have to pay for stay, eats, and etc. Just the entry fee so......

Jesse I still have a good chunck of $$$ left over, if I see a car I should be able to afford it before to much longer. Grass cutting survice is going pretty good so I should get one before to much longer.

Kelly-We all gave our 2 Cents but what do you think of a onroad track??? If you say no, WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN!!!!!:devil: "I will get jesse to do it for me. LOL :dude:

Dustin

Dustin...I'm thinking of going to that race...maybe i'll see you and Nick there. :)

id like to see on road first myself its a track for everyone besides i just bought a car :devil: COMING FOR EDDIE :D DUSTIN AND I WILL TAG TEAM YA :tongue:


What is this tag teamyou speak of. I Don't think you want any of this buddy.
Remember Jessie if I break I still finish the race I have two races under my belt that I have finished with just 3 wheels so your gonna have to take at least two wheels out in order for me not to come back and get ya in the race

What is this tag teamyou speak of. I Don't think you want any of this buddy.
Remember Jessie if I break I still finish the race I have two races under my belt that I have finished with just 3 wheels so your gonna have to take at least two wheels out in order for me not to come back and get ya in the race
That sounds like a challenge :)

Would a 3-wheel car still meet the minimum weight rules? OH -- wait... We don't weigh cars around here... Hmmm -- could this be a "speed secret"... :D

Ya Tom you found me out as you can see I am still working out the bugs in this idea but with only three wheels there is less resistance on the ground thus creating lower drag coeffecent. Follow along ok

X= the car and Y= the pavement at its mean tempeture in kelven squared. So if we assume that Z is the missing wheel then you would get this.

X+Y/Z=the cars speed there fore we can see that the car is much faster with three wheels now if I can only get it to handle better but thats a totaly diffrent equation.

but here is another that we all can follow along with

X=car Y=roadrails and Z=PVC pipe


X+Y= no broken parts :D
X+Z= $$$$ spent you do the math! :mad:

I agree with X+Y, but there is a flaw in your physics equation for speed. Less tires means more PSI on the remaining tires, which equals more rolling resistance. Sorry to burst your bubble. :)

:freak: doh! thanks mitch I will have to go back to the drawing board!

Thats some funny stuff guys....Kinda weird though, I just finished looking at a cool physics of racing site before I read your post...LOL! Thought I'd post the site in case anyone else wants to look at it...


http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/

Phil

Hmmm... Making the trip to Hallsville tonight... Be there or be square... (All the "fast guys" will be there, right..? LOL!)

Ron -- you're there every Wednesday night anyway, why not bring some of the R/C "stuff" you have and race...? :devil:

I'm in for truck tonight.

Tom I might be at hallsville tonight if I am I will post later so you can sign me up because I wont get off till 7pm


I will post again later
:thumbsup:

Just to let everyone know, Ron, Robert and Myself are planning on racing at dirtburners in St. Louis this Saturday. If anyone is interested in meeting up and following us to St. Louis just let us know. I think we are meeting in Kingdom City early Saturday to start the drive. I believe that Nick and Dustin are planning on racing also. Would be great to have more people to make the trip. This will be the new "Kyosho Challenge" layout so it should be fun.

Later
Phil

Light turnout last night, but we had enough to race!

Jesse's ?carpal tunnel? acted up and he had to drop out early, but that just earned him the job of "official scorer" for the night! (Pretty harsh punishment!)

Eddie made it up, and actually looked pretty good with his truck -- it's been a long time since he ran "dirt", so that was pretty cool!

The track was a real challenge for everyone, as it started the night dry and slick and only went down from there... Lap times and performance in general gradually suffered as the night went on -- we gotta get Phil back on the work shift that had him out watering the track 2-3 times a week! LOL! :thumbsup:

Stock Buggy was a ton of fun all night long, and the main was maybe too much fun!? As you can tell by the laps/times, nobody was on a "record pace", but it was close between all 3 of us for the full 5 minutes! If Jared and Gary would have had just a tiny bit more "fun", I might have gotten past them! (Yeh, a guy can dream, right?)....

Stock truck started out the night pretty strong, then faded with the failing track conditions... Ryan just charged along and beat us all -- BIG TIME! :D

"R/C RaceTrak"(tm) Professional Race Management Software
RC TRAX -- Columbia, MO -- 06/30/04


Class: EXPERT STOCK BUGGY
QUALIFYING HEATS
Car Finish Best Flg Best
Pos No Last Name First Laps Time Round Chan Clr LapTime AveMPH
--- --- ------------ ------- ---- -------- ----- ---- --- ------- ------
1 0 PHILLIPPE ,GARY 28 05:10.25 2 62 RD 00:10.49 150.76
2 3 PHILLIPPE ,JARED 27 05:05.97 2 84 WH 00:10.47 147.41
3 4 FRAHM ,TOM 27 05:07.98 2 5 BL 00:10.21 146.45

A MAIN- EXPERT STOCK BUGGY
Finish
Pos Qua Last Name First Laps Time Car Type
--- --- ------------ ------- ---- -------- ----------
1 2 PHILLIPPE ,JARED 26 05:03.71 XXX
2 1 PHILLIPPE ,GARY 26 05:03.95 XXX BK2
3 3 FRAHM ,TOM 26 05:05.52 XXX


Class: EXPERT STOCK TRUCK
QUALIFYING HEATS
Car Finish Best Flg Best
Pos No Last Name First Laps Time Round Chan Clr LapTime AveMPH
--- --- ------------ ------- ---- -------- ----- ---- --- ------- ------
1 0 TRASK ,RYAN 29 05:10.33 1 1 RD 00:10.07 156.10
2 0 FRAHM ,TOM 28 05:09.57 1 5 BL 00:10.25 151.09
3 1 CRAIG ,JESSE 26 05:08.82 1 80 WH 00:10.41 140.64
4 0 BENNETT ,EDDIE 16 03:50.51 2 90 GR 00:11.36 115.95

A MAIN- EXPERT STOCK TRUCK
Finish
Pos Qua Last Name First Laps Time Car Type
--- --- ------------ ------- ---- -------- ----------
1 1 TRASK ,RYAN 28 05:01.75 RC-10 T4
2 2 FRAHM ,TOM 26 05:06.66 XXXTMFE
3 4 BENNETT ,EDDIE 22 05:10.55
4 3 CRAIG ,JESSE 0 00:00.00 XX

Man guys that was a good race last night in expert buggy. If we wern't going to play hockey last night I would have come up to watch but guess what we did???

Phil, When I get ahold of Nick to see if he is going and to see if I can get a ride with him or not, but if he is not going do you think I could catch a ride with you??? I live right off of I70. I am off of Lake of the Woods exit. I will let you know if Nick is going or not. But let me know if you could give me a ride so I know even if Nick is not going I still would be able to go. I would help on gas money like I always do with Nick.

Dustin

Phil, Nick is aready in St.louis so if I could maybe get a ride from you that would be great. If you have any questions or anything call me at 424-4661. I would chip in on some gas $$$$. Let me know.

Dustin

Tom you need to go to the Ozark r/c thread and read what is going on.



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Jason -- I did... I "sort of" think this is a good thing for Gene, but I still feel sad... I sure hope you guys will be posting lots of info on the new deal... Maybe Brent can get some pictures, etc. up on the web site? Will there be a new web site?

Phil, Nick is aready in St.louis so if I could maybe get a ride from you that would be great. If you have any questions or anything call me at 424-4661. I would chip in on some gas $$$$. Let me know.

Dustin
Dustin,

We are kind of short on space but if you keep your stuff to a bare minimum we will work it out. You'll have to probably hang on to your stuff until we get from your house to kingdom city and then we will put your stuff in Ron's truck and you can ride with Lisa and I. Call me after 3:30pm today and give me directions. We are leaving very early tomorrow so be ready. My cell number is 573-864-8641.

Later
Phil

Aw.... Phil -- just strap Dustin onto the roof of the car, and you'll have plenty of room!

Tom, what are you trying to say, hint, hint, wink, wink, im the fat kid! I see how it is Tom. I'll get you back.

No problem Phil I pack light anyways and sadly to say, Tom is right, I would ride on the rough of the car. I just have to get up there and get some practice after spending $50 at hobbytown today. As Tom would say, " if you have the spare parts you wont break, but if you dont, you will". Right Tom???

Dustin

R/C version of Murphy's Law:
You only break the parts you don't have and they WILL be out of stock at the Hobby Shop...

Sigh.... :(

Tom,


I know you don't use a Fantom Dyno, but what numbers do you usually get on your dyno?

Torque in Nmm
Power in Watts


Supposedly Fantom uses a Fantom Dyno, but I always come up 10w short of what their stickers say. :) Even though my motors run good!

Dustin: There's a good chance that Tom and I are going to Dirt Burners tomorrow. If we do, you're welcome to ride with us.

Phil: Where are you guys meeting and what time? Don't they start racing at 11:00am?

We are planning on meeting at McDonalds in Kingdom City between 6:30am and 7:00am. We would like to leave at 7 that would put us there around 8:30 - 9am and signup ends at 10:30am. Racing starts at 11:00. Hope to see you there.

Phil

Mitch -- some "sample" numbers from the TD45 at 5.0v (so they sort of compare to a Fantom dyno). For each motor type, the first set are the RPM, torq (oz/in), and power (watts) at a 20 amp load. The second set are the RPM and power at a 25amp load (those are the two main loads I look at)...

Monster 14,878 5.9 65
13,109 74
GM3 14,888 5.8 64
13,133 73
P2K2 14,035 6.1 63
12,005 72
Binary 18,220 4.2 56
15,691 72
P2K 12,659 6.8 64
11,159 71
Paradox 13,018 6.5 63
11,280 71

Phil: Any thoughts on the weather? Looks like thunderstorms all day tomorrow in St Louis. :(

well, we will check the outlook in the morning and make the decision then. You can call me anytime after about 5:30am tomorrow if you want to know if we are still going. I'm thinking of going even if it rains and just hit the hobby shops and stuff down there.

Phil

Here is a link to the kirkwood weather just in case anyone wants it.

http://www.wunderground.com/US/MO/Kirkwood.html

Phil

Sorry guys--I'm going to skip Dirt Burners tomorrow. When I made the first post, I wasn't aware of the weather forecast. I have too much to get done to gamble a whole day on 70% chain of rain. Hope to see some of you on the 4th.

Stacy

Carl WON! -- even after getting 'hacked' on the first lap!

Darn, that guy can DRIVE!