Just figured maybe it's time to start this thread fresh to help keep things current. There is still a lot of good info in the old thread, so you can find it here if you want to read some of the older messages ---> http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=28483

And Hankie starts us a new home???

Fresh it is.

As I was saying,

Chris I was thinking about UPS at this end. Things take a rough ride... tossed on and off the DC3 airplane, bounched down the dusty road and then tossed onto our cement loading dock. I'm sure the truck could take it but all the other stuff would have a hard ride unless packed very well. Just thought you should know.

Without a doubt the support equipment could take a beating, shaking about in a box. Certainly wouldn't be nicely sorted when it arrived! The truck though? Somehow I doubt that even UPS could do more to the trucks than we do though :devil: . I will have to get an idea of how much a package would weigh and find out what it might cost to ship. I was thinking about it and you could break it/them down pretty small. Not that four Clod tires will ever be small but relatively compact as compared with a truck itself. just a few screws and nuts and the whole thing is in three smaller pieces.

Thanks Hank! I like our new home.

Just checked the end of the last thread...

Bill, glad the AM2K's helped! I had no doubt they would. The stock tires are very rigid and just don't do a great job on most surfaces. (unless you want to do donuts on wet pavement, I guess).

It does not neccesarily mean round trip in that in the same way I could carry them with me on the way out, I could reverse the process. I am thinking that a medium/large Rubbermaid container, strapped shut with something reusable might be the way to go. That way plane type people could open it, inspect it and reseal it, it would get there with me and I could insure it for a zillion dollars in case they crush it!!! That's one thing that always bugs me. They can charge me $100 each way to transport my bike but theymake me sign a damage waver saying it is not their fault if they wreck it. Go figure.

Just figured maybe it's time to start this thread fresh to help keep things current. There is still a lot of good info in the old thread, so you can find it here if you want to read some of the older messages ---> http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=28483
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-Tone

Whatchu referring to tone? His Picture?? You think that's scary, you should see him in person!!! :lol:

Whatchu referring to tone? His Picture?? You think that's scary, you should see him in person!!! :lol:
i'd never even thought of the pic.... rofl... yeah, i guess that is scary too....
i was referring to the NEW THREAD!!!!! i was SHOCKED and AMAZED when i saw it... i thought the original was lost....

-Tone

:freak: :drunk: :hat: new thread paaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrtaaaayyyy!!!!

-Tone

Chris I would think FedEx or UPS would be easier/cheaper if you really want to do it. Besides they let you insure it for a zillion dollars too!

Just checked on the UPS page and if I send a 25 lb package on a Monday, they "guarantee" delivery by the end of Friday. $32. Not bad at all. The problem is with their "guarantee". If they don't get it there, then it is Monday that it arrives and that is late in the visit. To do the 3 day thing, the price doubles!:freak:. And that gets it there on Thursday.

Just checked on the UPS page and if I send a 25 lb package on a Monday, they "guarantee" delivery by the end of Friday. $32. Not bad at all. The problem is with their "guarantee". If they don't get it there, then it is Monday that it arrives and that is late in the visit. To do the 3 day thing, the price doubles!:freak:. And that gets it there on Thursday.
Damn them guys in Brown.... but 64 bux isnt that BAD, AND IT'LL BE INSURED TOO BOOT.... but whateva...

-Tone

I dunno, Brown's guarantee is usually pretty solid. The only reason it would be late would be because of uncontrollable circumstances like Mother Nature some stupid terrorism threat. I'd do it!

Besides, it will get Bill to stop neglecting his trucks in favor of the wing!

I dunno, Brown's guarantee is usually pretty solid. The only reason it would be late would be because of uncontrollable circumstances like Mother Nature some stupid terrorism threat. I'd do it!

Besides, it will get Bill to stop neglecting his trucks in favor of the wing!i've personally never had an issue w/ brown.....

-Tone

Well, generally I don't have a problem with brown either but they have totalled a couple packages (bikes) and they have been a day late on more than one occasion. Because of the timing, one day makes it worthless. I will have to do a trial packing and see just what a clod and a Pede with the assorted needed goodies would weigh. The 25 lbs was totally arbitrary.

I also don't really have an issue with taking the stuff checked on a plane. Just as long as I have room at the other end to carry it away!

Hello all, It's been a while. I like the new place!!! I'm a little late but clod chassis looks awsome Chris I wish I could biuld something like that (maybe one day)Bill I'm glad to hear you like the mashers. I just finished setting up my sosn's pede and I cut the stock tires to look like the m2k's. They look cool and traction is slightly better. Now that the little one has a truck my wife said I can plow up part of the back yard yepeee!! A few jumps and a little space to cut up. Almost forgot I saw that Chris has ordered the novak ss for the pede. Can't wait to hear your opinion on it. Check out the pics of the not so stock tires. My version on the left and proline version on the right.
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Hi Guys,

I have been checking in but had not seen anyones post until now. Thought Hank had killed the thread by changing it. Glad I was wrong.

Tom - I don't neglect them I just hate getting them dirty:rolleyes:

Chris - We do not have Saturday delivery. So your right if not Fri. then Mon.

nascarfan- thanks! it has taken a LONG time and I am still 'almost there". it runs so nicely though.

The SS has arrived! I opened the box but that is as far as I have gotten. it is completely wired so all it really takes is slapping on a pinion, installing the motor, taping the ESC and hitting something really hard! :lol: just too much to do tonight.

Bill- why would Hank just kill us off? We are a harmless bunch. Not much of content here but we are friendly enough.

here's a strange question; do you guys sometimes get one reply page where you have to pull down the smilies, or click to open a box, and at other times get the full menu of them on the side/ maybe it is jsut the different computers I log in from. i guess that would make sense.

Just a pull down box from the top of the message page on mine.

All I get is the pull down box as well with a link at the bottom for a box with all 23 available.

I'm back at work again and I too, have the pull-down. Must be Safari at home. Never mind.

So, I woke up this morning thinking PEDE. I did about 1/3 of the stuff that needed to get done to get out of the house today (no lunch, dirty kitchen...) so I could rush to the basement and slap that SS into the Pede. I figured that since it was all wired up it would just mean yanking the existing motor off, unsticking the ESC and reversing the process. Yeah, in theory. I had forgotten about the Tamiya connectors.:rolleyes:. Well, the soldering iron came up to temp real quick. Then I realized that I had used the last of my powerpoles! Why is it that you always seem to find this out AFTER your Tower order arrives? I looked and I looked. Finally pulled the leads off an old P-94 that obvioulsy wont be in the Pede any time soon, cut, soldered (oh yeah, charge a pack while I am at it).

Motor went in really nicely. They have three sets of holes arranged around the can to allow you to rotate it any way you want, depending on your chassis. Much more convenient than a standard can. With the wires mounted on the flange on the side you need this whereas regular brushed motors have everything pretty much inside the can's diameter. The wires are long! I know you can trim them but I just zipped them to the rear body bracket. The ESC is about the size of an Intellispeed. Smaller than a Rooster or SR for sure. Comes with a nifty little place for the on-off switch. So, I grabbed a radio (with the right x-stal), two packs and a charger, body, clips and headed for the door. Instructions for programming this? Well, they are in the basement. Hopefully they will be on the Novak site.

So, at lunch today, if I don't get the urge for a ride, I hope to take this puppy out for a test. I am charging a 2400 6 cell pack and a 3300 7 cell! (shoot- didn't pack a battery strap. That's not good, but I can fake that). I will let you all know how it goes!

chris,
for shiping go to fedex and ask for a laptop box. you can use that to ship you tx and my be a chager. and supplies at fedex are free. i used to work for fedex. and a tip, the longer the transite time the larger the possibility of damage. remeber your pakage could be onb the bottom of a contaner with a a whole bunch of 150lb boxes stacked on top pf it.

and the ss in the pede at rcmt they needed to gear it down so it would not thermal. 15/87 is what novak says to gear the ss at in the pede.

another topic here, i was wondering what was wrong this week. ohhh yeah were have all my hobbytalk friends gone;)

good morning all.
peter
:)

OK, that was a pretty short session. The field I planned to run on was unmown. Not a good test. Ran nice for a bit but what I would consider blistering fast. Not much faster than my C2 Pro. I chose this spot for one slab of rock that can be jumped. Hit is once and the ball end came off a rear shock shaft. Luckily I was able to rethread it without tools. (we will see if it holds). Decided on pavement. Glitched all over the place! Got the truck about 75 ft away and it would stop, or lurch and jerk and then turn randomly. Into curbs, of course. But it wasn't moving much so no big deal there. Then the wheel fell off and I couldn't find the nut. No tools, no spare parts. Game over. The other trouble had to do with set-up of the truck itself. I was flipping all over the place! Way sticky tires or something.

I have read a lot about the SS glitching problems on the Pede and I was worried about it from the git-go. I sort of set myself up for them though, (in retrospect). I have Futaba crystals in a AM JR radio. Usually works, but not always. It worked the last time out but clearly there is something about this system that does not tolerate marginal radios. That is why so many people say "go FM". also, and on this, I have read nothing, In the rush of the morning, I bundled the sensor wires with the three wires to the motor. I can easily see how there could be cross talk issues. That doesn't explain the crazy steering stuff but the jerkyness might be related.

So, I will try some things out and see what happens.

so you literally drove the wheel off it huh? :lol:

Well, I guess you COULD say that. It was more like the wheel decided it didn't want any part of the herky-jerky.

The good news though is that all is well with the world now! I swapped out the crystals, zipped up the wires a bit better. replaced the wheel nut ;) nad took it for a test. All I can say is WOW! I never even put in the 7 cell. Jess and I drove the 2400 until we got chilly. Never did drain it! I dont have a clue how long it was but it seemed like a lot of driving. The thing flies! And that is geared 14/87. Another cell and a few more teeth and this thing could be way scary! :devil:

While Jess was driving it a kid (21) came by to visit a neighbor. he was into r/c when he was a kid. Still has a grasshopper and a baha bug! He was telling me all these tips to make it go faster. Until he saw how fast it went! I guess we are a bit advanced from where he was years ago! :D

So how was low speed, Throttle response, and accelleration? They say it's got the equivelence of a 10 turn motor.

I will have to try another pack through it but I felt it was kind of jerky at slow speeds. The acceleration was awesome but I have the slipper a bit loose. That just means the front wheels stay down which is fine! Although I had it under geared (even by Novaks instructions, i thought it was way quicker than my 13T Kobals.

I will have to try another pack through it but I felt it was kind of jerky at slow speeds. The acceleration was awesome but I have the slipper a bit loose. That just means the front wheels stay down which is fine! Although I had it under geared (even by Novaks instructions, i thought it was way quicker than my 13T Kobals.
thats crazzzzy... you know what tho... i bet the jerking is battery related. i had a pack that worked with my cheezy esc, but when i ran it on a gt7 or any higher end esc for that matter, it JERKED for about 3 seconds or so... look at a few different batteries.....

-Tone

Well, as I said, once I swapped cyrstals, you know, JR crystals in a JR radio... :rolleyes: the problem pretty much went away. There is still a bit of glitching but nothing crazy like before.

Turned out that I had actually been running that 14/90! WAY undergeared. Good thing I had the slipper really loose. Tried tightening them up and it just about tore the back of the body! So, I went back to the shop, tossed on the wheelie bar and a 19 tooth pinion! (7 cell). SCARY fast! It is really hard to keep the front end down, wheelying at will even geared that high. On pavement I basically had to bring it to a complete stop before trying any turns. My shocks are way soft in the rear and that can't help- it just traction rolled. Why is it that it always flips when it is a couple hundred feet away?

The wheelie bar right now is just a tube of titanium with no wheels. This is a bit bent so when it does come up it hits one side first. That twists the truck to the side. It then does this lexan scarring flip and burn thing. All I can say is that I am glad the paint is on the inside! All scratched up and it still looks fine! :thumbsup: Need to make a swamibar like thing and fast!

Oh, and the ESC wasn't thermaling but it was HOT! The motor passed the 5 second rule though, as expected.

Well, as I said, once I swapped cyrstals, you know, JR crystals in a JR radio... :rolleyes: the problem pretty much went away. There is still a bit of glitching but nothing crazy like before.
i heard that... just throwing out a suggestion... :dude:

-Tone

Well Chris I'm glad you like the ss and now you know why the back of my body is cut off. I have read about the glitching from other people but I have never had that with mine, but I have always used a FM radio. Mine has thermaled 1 time doing speed runs geared 25/81 or 84 I forget. But now It's geared 18/84 and no problems. I will have to buy a wheely bar soon or the tranny case will soon be gone it's almost wore to the screw in the back.

After my Pede games, I took my new crawler back out for some fun. I desperately need more steering. I had planned on using independant 4WS but I may simply double up with a 'Y'. That would allow me to swap that truck to my AM radio (not needing that third channel) and I could then put the FM with the Pede which would be even better!

I can really inderstand the problems that Swami had with his 64 mph Pede now that I have one that goes half that fast! The M2Ks balloon something fierce and the front end is just barely dancing on the ground. Not exactly in control. :freak: I need to find a dirt track and see how it goes.

I have been wanting to try one in my XXX4, I don't think I'm quite crazy enough to put it in my Pede.... :lol:

My big reasons for not getting one is that the only place I could race it would be at the winter track I frequent, no one else allows racing brushless. And the $$ I don't have right now!

If we were still racing, we could run it at our track int he mod class. Lots of guys do, in fact. But we aren't so it is a perfect bashing motor! The idea that I can run it as hard and nasty as i wnt knowing that it's performance wont degrade. it is basically sealed so dirt isn't even an issue.

All smiles. So far. ;)

It is the perfect bashing motor fast even when geared low, no maintenance, just run the heck out of it!! :D

I totally agree! We got out late this evening to try to do a couple spee druns to see what it would do. 7 unmatched 3300 cells, geared 18/90 I got only one good run in at just a smidge under 30 mph. I really don't knwo if it was up to speed when we hit the 200 ft speed trap and as it was close to dark I was relying on my spotter dropping his hand to signal the start of the run. Lots of room for error and delays which could mean a faster time. Still quite impressive.

The wheelie bar got quite the work out on the other games. As soon as we reached this open, smooth stretch of road next to a park we had a small crowd of kids. Some of them obviously local kids because they remembered us from last YEAR when we were there playing the same games. They were very impressed that Jess could throw a rooster tail on the shoulder indefinitely! The wheelie bar is still a piece of titanium that sparks something fierce so it was a great show. Unfortunately darkness and dead packs sent us home. We will try agian. I have the itch to drop an Sr and 10 cells into one of the pedes with a Kobal. Just to see what crazy really is. And then rebuild it after one run, of course.

Nobody has anything to say? That is pathetic.

I just ordered a swami-bar with the deflector shield for my pede. :D Now I can get another body, and it might last more than a couple of weeks. Chris I think you should be going faster than 30 mph but I could be wrong.

Pathetic. Yup.

On 7 cells, I would have expected more than that. Even at that gearing which is close to what Novak specs. The truck seems fine but I can't speak for the batteries. The charge right before that run was not set right on my 16X7 and ti was pretty darn hot. I don't know how much that hurt the pack or that specific charge. I don't have a GPS... Also, that was at dusk and there is plenty of question due to the light. I can't see it being off by more than a bit though.

On the traxxas site, a guy was saying he got (gps ) 35 on 6 cells geared about 20% higher. the numbers work but not the cell count.

Sounds like the brushless has renewed your enjoyment of RC. Read all the post when I returned yesterday and I was :) the whole time.

The brushless sounds like fun.

I got a "big race" this weekend, hopefully the weather will hold out for it. Last few days and the forcast for the next few is Sunny and hot during the day, then kick off some severe thunderstorms around 6pm or so. ALOT of Motorcyclists got caught out on Sunday & got real wet. Poor guys.

Gotta love those afternoon boomers! I have been caught many a time myself. Usually pushing the pedals though.

Yup, the brushless is pretty nice. The lack of maintenance thing will play out over time but I already can tell it will be less of a headache in terms of knowing the status of your motor.

There is one issue so far though. The radio wire, going from the ESC to the receiver has plugs at both end. That is good in theory in that if it needs replacing it is eady. However, I have had it pulled loose by an ejecting battery pack:rolleyes:, and once it just didn't want to run at all. Tried all sorts of stuff including pulling the plug off and sticking it back in. finally that worked. It just wants to be deep in the socket I guess but it was very frustrating and made me yell at little people as we were rapidly losing daylight. Not fair to them, not one bit.

but it was very frustrating and made me yell at little people as we were rapidly losing daylight. Not fair to them, not one bit.
I get paid to yell at them:p

When you get all these little things worked out with the brushless I think you will have the perfect pede bashing truck set up around.

Any chance that you can have the local police use the radar gun on it for a speed run? Maybe someone at the track has one.

Droped a 23T pinion into the Pede to go with the 90T spur, juiced the 7 cell and hit the street. Acceleration was.... OK, it wasn't. Top speed though? Insane! Scary fast. We need a much bigger street to play on. I would guess high 30's at least!.

We brought out our jump as the pack was getting tired and since it was pretty much dark, only had one run at it. I hit the jump and the bugger backflipped! hit the wheelie bar, we think, which reverse it into a FRONT flip. somewhere along the way the batts came flying out, as did the body clips. the truck actually landing on it's wheels and continued rolling away. we decide dhat was enough fun.

Geared that way it shut down from the heat! jess made the mistake of touching the ESC and got scorched. a couple minutes and it was good to go. Lower gears for sure.

Nothing broken though! :D

Droped a 23T pinion into the Pede to go with the 90T spur, juiced the 7 cell and hit the street. Acceleration was.... OK, it wasn't. Top speed though? Insane! Scary fast. We need a much bigger street to play on. I would guess high 30's at least!.

We brought out our jump as the pack was getting tired and since it was pretty much dark, only had one run at it. I hit the jump and the bugger backflipped! hit the wheelie bar, we think, which reverse it into a FRONT flip. somewhere along the way the batts came flying out, as did the body clips. the truck actually landing on it's wheels and continued rolling away. we decide dhat was enough fun.

Geared that way it shut down from the heat! jess made the mistake of touching the ESC and got scorched. a couple minutes and it was good to go. Lower gears for sure.

Nothing broken though! :D
sounds like you had an ABSOLUTE blast... you're constant talkin about this wonderful brushless is really making me think i should get one for my 'pede too... would be a lot of fun..... hmmmm... gonna have to run this by the wifey!

what your poor boy did on that esc is what i ALWAYS do to myself on the futaba 230cr that is in my mini-t... it gets to about as hot as a nitro engine.... craaaazzy....

-Tone

I would love to have a temp gun to see just how hot that puppy gets! I think Novak says it shuts down at 180!

Sounds fun, Chris.

Will the Pede be going to the Monster Jam with you?

What method are you using to mount the battery?

Have you tried those ringed body clips? I think they are for nitro but they work really well and are easy to install and remove.

I've been so busy I've not even run a second battery through the pede yet.
Have a good one.................

Yes, the plan is to bring the Pede and a Clod or two. One would be to try racing while the other would be for the trials event.

I have been using velcro straps for the batts but it just isn't working. I have these 6-8" long straps with a hole in one end to feed the end back through. You get them at walmart type places in packs of 6 different colors. I have been putting that hole over the batt bar peg and wrapping it under the truck chassis and around with two stuck to each other so you get 1.5 wraps. Sometimes it seems to work while other times it slips and lets enough slack in there that it comes out. The 7 cell is the worst by far! I haven't tried any fancy body clips but I should have known that the thin ones I used just weren't up to the task. The Maxx clips hold much better in the pede body post holes.

you need to get unbusy!:p